• It Is Long Past Time for the CDC and NCHS to Clean Up the COVID-19 Deat

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 26 14:58:48 2020
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    Some of us have been questioning the COVID-19 death counts reported by
    the CDC through the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) for
    some time. Of course, CNN and the corporate media love the likely
    elevated counts to push their narrative. Lockdown Inc. loves them to
    justify their destruction of lives and livelihoods. A report from the
    Freedom Foundation, a Washington State think tank, explains why. The foundation’s original analysis of deaths in the state found the number
    may have been inflated by as much as 13%:

    In May, a report released by the Freedom Foundation, an
    Olympia-based free-market think tank, revealed the DOH was
    attributing to COVID-19 every death in which the deceased
    previously tested positive for the virus. However, it’s clear
    that catching the disease and dying of it are two very
    different matters.

    Washington’s data was riddled with cases — as much as 13
    percent of the total — in which the death certificate made no
    reference to COVID-19 as a cause of death. In several cases,
    even gunshot deaths were chalked up to the virus.

    While the Department of Health did remove 200 deaths from the count, the Freedom Foundation did another analysis. Combining data sources from the Department of Health for nearly 2,000 deaths as of early September, the
    new analysis found that 170 death certificates did not mention COVID-19. Another 171 deaths had no causal connection to the virus. According to
    the Post Millennial, the group estimates Washington’s death counts could
    be inflated by as much as 20%.

    New data from the CDC regarding the conditions contributing to deaths
    where COVID-19 is also involved clearly demonstrates deaths from the
    virus are overestimated nationwide. This is not surprising given the
    loose guidelines for attributing a death to COVID-19 and the financial incentives through public and private insurance to put COVID-19 on a
    patient’s chart.

    First, as I have written several times, many COVID-19-positive people
    who were terminally ill died a few months before they otherwise would
    have. These “pull-forward deaths” often happen with influenza and
    pneumonia when a person is elderly or severely compromised. For example,
    the data shows 3,622 people over the age of 75 died of hypertensive
    renal disease with kidney failure. Kidney failure is a progressive and
    terminal condition, even with kidney dialysis. An additional 939 in the
    same age group died with lung cancer as well as COVID-19.

    Second, the report demonstrates most younger patients were also
    suffering from a different severe illness if they died from COVID-19. On
    the same line for kidney failure, a total of 18 people under the age of
    35 passed away with this condition and COVID-19. Ten people under the
    age of 35 died with acute lymphoblastic lymphoma (ALL) in addition to
    the virus. The average five-year survival rate in this age group is
    between 68.1% and 85%, leaving the distinct possibility that these were
    the sickest ALL patients.

    These are just a few examples of terminal conditions that could have
    been examples of a pull-forward death. Since there is nothing in the
    NCHS guidance to require symptoms or evidence of active COVID-19, it is impossible to tell whether or not these were pull-forward deaths. As
    Washington demonstrates, some of this error will come from state-level practices. New York, for example, backdated 3,700 “presumed COVID-19
    deaths” early in the pandemic.

    The above does not even include the broad class of ICD-9 Codes referred
    to as “Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning, and other
    adverse events.” This report contains 9,343 deaths associated with
    everything from drug overdoses to traumatic accidents and suicide. These
    deaths alone equal 3% of the current number of total deaths.

    It is long past time for the CDC and NCHS to require some evidence of a
    severe illness from COVID-19 rather than simply a positive test. There
    are significant numbers of lab values and imaging changes that, taken
    together, can reasonably be assumed to paint a clinical course that
    includes active illness from COVID-19. The best test would be a viral
    culture. If the virus or viral debris in a patient’s system cannot
    replicate in a culture, it can’t be a cause of death.

    A positive PCR test within 28 days, the current standard Washington is
    now using, is also unacceptable, especially with the number of
    asymptomatic cases. A virus that never makes you sick or only makes you
    mildly ill will not kill you or likely contribute to your death. Rather,
    you are likely one of the 30-60% of people with reactive immunity from
    other coronavirus exposure. Likewise, if someone already suffers from a terminal illness, unless the end-stage events include symptoms of severe COVID-19, it should not be counted among the causes of death.

    A scroll through the spreadsheet and a bit of clinical knowledge
    supports the estimate of the Freedom Foundation as a minimum number.
    Americans deserve transparency and accuracy at this point. It is a
    dereliction of duty for the CDC and NCHS not to tailor their guidelines
    to the disease progression of a COVID-19 infection capable of
    contributing to a person’s death.

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  • From wotawonderfulworld@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Mon Dec 28 06:27:34 2020
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    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in news:YP-dnfgww54c93TCnZ2dnUU7- UsAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Some of us have been questioning the COVID-19 death counts reported by
    the CDC through the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) for
    some time. Of course, CNN and the corporate media love the likely
    elevated counts to push their narrative. Lockdown Inc. loves them to
    justify their destruction of lives and livelihoods. A report from the
    Freedom Foundation, a Washington State think tank, explains why. The foundation’s original analysis of deaths in the state found the number
    may have been inflated by as much as 13%:

    In May, a report released by the Freedom Foundation, an
    Olympia-based free-market think tank, revealed the DOH was
    attributing to COVID-19 every death in which the deceased
    previously tested positive for the virus. However, it’s clear
    that catching the disease and dying of it are two very
    different matters.

    Washington’s data was riddled with cases — as much as 13
    percent of the total — in which the death certificate made no
    reference to COVID-19 as a cause of death. In several cases,
    even gunshot deaths were chalked up to the virus.

    While the Department of Health did remove 200 deaths from the count, the Freedom Foundation did another analysis. Combining data sources from the Department of Health for nearly 2,000 deaths as of early September, the
    new analysis found that 170 death certificates did not mention COVID-19. Another 171 deaths had no causal connection to the virus. According to
    the Post Millennial, the group estimates Washington’s death counts could
    be inflated by as much as 20%.

    New data from the CDC regarding the conditions contributing to deaths
    where COVID-19 is also involved clearly demonstrates deaths from the
    virus are overestimated nationwide. This is not surprising given the
    loose guidelines for attributing a death to COVID-19 and the financial incentives through public and private insurance to put COVID-19 on a patient’s chart.

    First, as I have written several times, many COVID-19-positive people
    who were terminally ill died a few months before they otherwise would
    have. These “pull-forward deaths” often happen with influenza and
    pneumonia when a person is elderly or severely compromised. For example,
    the data shows 3,622 people over the age of 75 died of hypertensive
    renal disease with kidney failure. Kidney failure is a progressive and terminal condition, even with kidney dialysis. An additional 939 in the
    same age group died with lung cancer as well as COVID-19.

    Second, the report demonstrates most younger patients were also
    suffering from a different severe illness if they died from COVID-19. On
    the same line for kidney failure, a total of 18 people under the age of
    35 passed away with this condition and COVID-19. Ten people under the
    age of 35 died with acute lymphoblastic lymphoma (ALL) in addition to
    the virus. The average five-year survival rate in this age group is
    between 68.1% and 85%, leaving the distinct possibility that these were
    the sickest ALL patients.

    These are just a few examples of terminal conditions that could have
    been examples of a pull-forward death. Since there is nothing in the
    NCHS guidance to require symptoms or evidence of active COVID-19, it is impossible to tell whether or not these were pull-forward deaths. As Washington demonstrates, some of this error will come from state-level practices. New York, for example, backdated 3,700 “presumed COVID-19
    deaths” early in the pandemic.

    The above does not even include the broad class of ICD-9 Codes referred
    to as “Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning, and other
    adverse events.” This report contains 9,343 deaths associated with
    everything from drug overdoses to traumatic accidents and suicide. These deaths alone equal 3% of the current number of total deaths.

    It is long past time for the CDC and NCHS to require some evidence of a severe illness from COVID-19 rather than simply a positive test. There
    are significant numbers of lab values and imaging changes that, taken together, can reasonably be assumed to paint a clinical course that
    includes active illness from COVID-19. The best test would be a viral culture. If the virus or viral debris in a patient’s system cannot
    replicate in a culture, it can’t be a cause of death.

    A positive PCR test within 28 days, the current standard Washington is
    now using, is also unacceptable, especially with the number of
    asymptomatic cases. A virus that never makes you sick or only makes you mildly ill will not kill you or likely contribute to your death. Rather,
    you are likely one of the 30-60% of people with reactive immunity from
    other coronavirus exposure. Likewise, if someone already suffers from a terminal illness, unless the end-stage events include symptoms of severe COVID-19, it should not be counted among the causes of death.

    A scroll through the spreadsheet and a bit of clinical knowledge
    supports the estimate of the Freedom Foundation as a minimum number. Americans deserve transparency and accuracy at this point. It is a dereliction of duty for the CDC and NCHS not to tailor their guidelines
    to the disease progression of a COVID-19 infection capable of
    contributing to a person’s death.

    Not sure that this really matters, every country counts the same way (Or
    else every country is far more advanced the the USA in causes of death.

    Unfortunately the US is so far infront of any other 1st world country in
    deaths from Covid. Taking a few hundred of the count , might make you feel
    a little better, but thats all it does.

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