• Tibet is an Illegally Occupied Nation!!!!!!

    From The Progressive Voice@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 2 16:47:39 2018
    Tibet is an Illegally Occupied Nation

    For over 1200 years Tibet was an independent monarchical Nation. Then the Mongols conquered China and Russia in 1242 and Tibet became suzerain autonomous to the Mongol Khan Kublai. However ther mongols deemed Tibet completely independent in internal
    affairs , with Mongolia responsible for National Defense, and a Vatican neutral theocratic state they ascribed to the Tibetans who under Sakya Pandita peacably converted them to Vajrayana Buddhism. The Tibetans entered into a Cho yon Priest patron
    relationship with the Mongol Khan's whereby the chief Sakya Lama and Later the Gelugpa Dalai Lama acted as his chief confessor. This relationship only existed while the Mongol Yuan Dynasty was still ruling China. In 1388 the yuan dynasty fell.

    During the Ming Dynasty Tibet maintained no diplomatic relations with China. It still continued diplomatic relations with Mongolia and Nepal. The Ming dynasty excerted no Suzerain control over Tibetan monastical succession or national defense. In 1644
    The Manchurians established the Qing dynasty, conquerer of all modern day china. Now they are all but extinct as a tribe. Under Emperor Kangxi, the Manchurians first established their time to hold the Cho yon relationship with the Tibetans. The Cho yon
    more less existed as it did under the Mongols, with the Qing Emperors. This cho yon relationship ceased when the Qing Dynasty fell in 1911.

    In 1912 Tibet declared itself Defacto and Dejure Independent of Foreign Powers. To establish the prerequisite for international recognition of independent sovereign status, Tibet entered into a mutual Military Defense Treaty with Mongolia. They also
    abolished the death penalty.

    During World War 2 Tibet was an officially international Neutral power, with its airspace closed to all Allied flights flying across the Himalya's. Franklin Roosevelt dispatched a mission to Tibet led by Leo Tolstoy's grandson, Illya Toltstoy's. The
    Tibetans politiely rebuffed FDR and Tibet's airspace was not crossed throughout the rest of that World War. This is proof of international recognition of Tibet.

    China illegally invaded Tibet in 1951 prommissing to Liberate the Tibetans from hypothetically imagined large scale feudal exploitation. In reality they projected their own cutltural bias and experience with feudalistic exploitation, onto the Tibetans
    who were mostly monks and nomads. Thus they were no different from the Western feudal Colonial powers, and thus have lost their mandate as a beacon socialist liberator, thereby the CCP is losing the moral high ground in the war of rhetoric.

    In 1959 alone the Chinese PLA massacred 85000 Tibetans in the capital Lhasa on one day as Tibetans revolted in uprising against PLA attempts at expropiation and forced relocation on communes and slave labor camps. All told some 1.2 millions Tibetans were
    genocidedly murdered over a 40 year span.

    The Population of Tibetans in Tibet has scarcely changed since 1959. Meanwhile the Tibetans are now a minority in their own capital, Lhasa. They are also indirectly subject to the one child policy in direct violation of PRC's laws on the books in regards
    to national minority policy. There is approximatelly 1.1 billion chinese of the Han Nationality, who are officially subject to the 1 child policy, and the remainder population is split between 24 tribes. Tibetans have been subject to CCP indirect
    recognition of forced sterilization and late term abortions forced on Tibetan Women by the reppressive imperialistic Chinese Communist Party.

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  • From The Progressive Voice@21:1/5 to The Progressive Voice on Sun Sep 2 16:49:43 2018
    The Historical Status of Tibet: A summary
    This is a synopsis of a book an the status of Tibet by a jurist, Dr.
    Michael C van Walt van Praag Dr van Walt obtained law degrees m the Netherlands and the United States and has taught International Law and
    Tibetan Studies. He is a former D~or of the Tibetan Affairs Co-
    Ordination Office in the Netherlands. He currently practices
    international law m Washington D. C and London.
    The Tibetan Government in exile, headed by His Holiness the Dalai
    Lama, Tibet's exiled Head of State and spiritual leader, has,
    consistently held that Tibet has been under illegal Chinese occupation
    since China invaded the independent state in 1949-1950. The People's
    Republic of China (PRC) insists that its relation with Tibet is a
    purely internal affair, because Tibet is, and has for centuries been,
    an integral part of China. The question of Tibet's status is
    essentially a legal question, albeit one of immediate political
    relevance.

    The PRC makes no claim to sovereign rights over Tibet as a result of
    its military subjugation and occupation following its armed invasion
    in 1949-1950. Indeed, the PRC could hardly make that claim, since it categorically rejects as illegal claims to sovereignty put forward by
    other states based on conquest, occupation or the imposition of
    unequal treaties. Instead, the PRC bases its claim to Tibet solely on
    the theory that Tibet became an integral part of China seven hundred
    years ago.

    Early history
    Although the history of the Tibetan state began in 127 BC with the establishment of the Yarlung Dynasty, the country as we now know it
    was first unified in the AD 700 under King Songtsen Gampo and his
    successors. Tibet was one of the mightiest powers of Asia for the
    three centuries that followed, as a pillar inscription at the foot of
    the Potala Palace in Lhasa and the Chinese Tang histories of the
    period confirm. A formal peace treaty concluded between China and
    Tibet in 821-823 demarcated the borders between the two countries and
    ensured that, "Tibetans shall be happy in Tibet and Chinese shall be
    happy in China".

    Mongol Influence
    As Genghis Khan's Mongol Empire expanded towards Europe in the west
    and China in the east in the 13th century, Tibetan leaders of the
    powerful Sakya school of Tibetan Buddhism concluded an agreement with
    the Mongol rulers in order to avoid the conquest of Tibet. The Tibetan
    Lama promised political loyalty and religious blessings and
    instruction in exchange for patronage and protection. The religious relationship became so important that when, decades later, Kublai Khan conquered China and established the Yuan Dynasty (1279-1368), he
    invited the Sakya Lama to become the Imperial Preceptor and supreme
    pontiff of his empire.

    The relationship that developed and continued to exist into the 20th
    century between the Mongols and the Tibetans was a reflection of the
    close racial, cultural and especially religious, affinity between the
    two central Asian peoples. The Mongol Empire was a world empire and,
    whatever the relationship between its rulers and the Tibetans, the
    Mongols never integrated the administration of Tibet and China nor
    appended Tibet to China in any manner.

    Tibet broke political ties with the Yuan emperor in 1350, before China
    had regained its independence from the Mongols. Not until the 18th
    century did Tibet again come under a degree of foreign influence.

    Relations with Manchu, Gurkha, and British neighbours
    Tibet developed no ties with the Chinese Ming Dynasty (1386-1644). On
    the other hand, the Dalai Lama, who had established his sovereign rule
    over Tibet with the help of a Mongol patron in 1642, did develop close religious ties with the Manchu emperors, who conquered China and
    established the Qing Dynasty (1644 - 191 1). The Dalai Lama agreed to
    become the spiritual guide of the Manchu emperor, and accepted
    patronage and protection in exchange. This "priest-patron"
    relationship (known in Tibetan as ChoeYoen), which the Dalai Lama also maintained with some Mongol princes and Tibetan nobles, was the only
    formal tie that existed between the Tibetans and the Manchus during
    the Qing Dynasty. It did not, in itself, affect Tibet's independence.

    On the political level, some powerful Manchu emperors succeeded in
    exerting a degree of influence over Tibet. Thus, between 1720 and
    1792, Emperors Kangxi, Yong Zhen and Qianglong sent imperial troops to
    Tibet four times to protect the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan people from
    foreign invasions by Mongols and Gurkhas or from internal unrest.
    These expeditions provided the Emperor with the means for establishing influence in Tibet. He sent representatives to the Tibetan capital,
    Lhasa, some of whom successfully exercised their influence, in his
    name, over the Tibetan Government, particularly with respect to the
    conduct of foreign relations. At the height of Manchu power, which
    lasted a few decades, the situation was not unlike that which can
    exist between a superpower and a satellite or protectorate, and
    therefore one which, though politically significant, does not
    extinguish the independent existence of the weaker state. Tibet was
    never incorporated into the Manchu empire, much less into China, and
    it continued to conduct its relations with neighbouring states largely
    alone.

    Manchu influence did not last long. It was entirely ineffective by the
    time the British briefly invaded Lhasa and concluded a bilateral
    treaty with Tibet, the Lhasa Convention, in 1904. Despite this loss of influence, the imperial government in Peking continued to claim some
    authority over Tibet, particularly with respect to its international relations, an authority which the British imperial government termed
    (4 suzerainty" in its dealings with Peking and St. Petersburg
    (Leningrad). Imperial armies tried to reassert actual influence in
    1910 by invading the country and occupying Lhasa. Following the 1911 revolution in China and the overthrow of the Manchu empire, troops
    surrendered to the Tibetan army and were repatriated under a Sino-
    Tibetan peace accord. The Dalai Lama reasserted Tibet's full
    independence internally, by issuing a proclamation, and externally, in communications to foreign rulers and in a treaty with Mongolia.

    Tibet in the 20th Century
    Tibet's status following the expulsion of Manchu troops is not subject
    to serious dispute. Whatever ties existed between the Dalai Lamas and
    the Manchu emperors of the Qing Dynasty were extinguished with the
    fall of that empire and dynasty. From 1911 to 1950, Tibet successfully
    avoided undue foreign influence and behaved, in every respect as a
    fully independent state.

    Tibet maintained diplomatic relations with Nepal, Bhutan, Britain and
    later with independent India. Relations with China remained strained.
    The Chinese waged a border war with Tibet while formally urging Tibet
    to "join" the Chinese Republic, claiming to the rest of the world that
    Tibet already was one of China's "five races".

    In an effort to reduce Sino-Tibetan tensions, the British convened a tripartite conference in Simla in 1913 where the three states met on
    equal terms. As the British delegate reminded his Chinese counterpart,
    Tibet entered the conference as "an independent nation recognizing no allegiance to China". The conference was unsuccessful in that it did
    not resolve the differences between Tibet and China. It was,
    nevertheless, significant in that Anglo-Tibetan friendship was
    reaffirmed with the conclusion of bilateral trade and border
    agreements. In a joint Declaration Great Britain and Tibet bound
    themselves not to recognize Chinese suzerainty or other special rights
    in Tibet unless China signed the draft Simla Convention which would
    have guaranteed Tibet's greater borders, its territorial integrity and
    full autonomy. China did not sign the Convention, however, leaving the
    terms of the joint Declaration in full force.

    Tibet conducted its international relations primarily by dealing with
    the British, Chinese, Nepalese and Bhutanese diplomatic missions in
    Lhasa, but also through government delegations travelling abroad. When
    India became independent, the British Mission in Lhasa was replaced by
    an Indian one. During World War II Tibet remained neutral, despite
    strong pressure from the USA, Britain and China to allow the passage
    of raw materials through Tibet.

    Tibet has never maintained extensive international relations, but
    those countries with whom it did maintain relations treated Tibet as
    they would have any sovereign state. Its international status was in
    fact no different, say, than that of Nepal. Thus, when Nepal applied
    for membership to the United Nations in 1949, it cited its treaty and diplomatic relations with Tibet to demonstrate its full international personality.

    The Invasion of Tibet
    The turning point in Tibet's history came in 1949, when the People's Liberation Army of the PRC first crossed into Tibet. After defeating
    the small Tibetan army and occupying half the country, the Chinese
    government, in May 1951, imposed the so-called " 17-Point Agreement
    for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet" on the Tibetan government.
    Because it was signed under duress, the agreement lacked validity
    under international law. The presence of 40000 troops in Tibet, the
    threat of the immediate occupation of Lhasa, and the prospect of the
    total obliteration of the Tibetan state, left Tibetans little choice.

    As open resistance to the Chinese occupation escalated, particularly
    in eastern Tibet, the Chinese repression, which included the
    destruction of religious buildings and the imprisonment of monks and
    other community leaders, increased dramatically. By 1959, popular
    uprisings culminated in massive demonstrations in Lhasa. By the time
    China crushed the uprising, 87000 Tibetans were dead in the Lhasa
    region alone, and the Dalai Lama had fled to India, where he now
    resides with the Tibetan Government in Exile.

    In 1963 the Dalai Lama promulgated a constitution for a democratic
    Tibet. It has been successfully implemented, to the extent possible,
    by the government in exile.

    Meanwhile, in Tibet religious persecution, consistent violations of
    human rights, and the wholesale destruction of religious and historic buildings by the occupying authorities has not succeeded in destroying
    the spirit of the Tibetan people to resist the destruction of their
    national identity. 1.2 million Tibetans have lost their lives (more
    than one sixth of the population) as a result of the Chinese
    occupation. But the new generation of Tibetans are just as determined
    to regain the country's independence as the older generation was.

    Conclusion
    In the course of Tibet's 2000-year history, the country came under a
    degree of foreign influence only for short periods of time in the
    thirteenth and eighteenth centuries. Few independent countries today
    can claim as impressive a record. As the ambassador for Ireland at the
    UN remarked during General Assembly debates on the question of Tibet,
    " [for thousands of years, or for a couple of thousand years at any
    rate, [Tibet] was as free and as fully in control of its own affairs
    as any nation in this Assembly, and a thousand times more free to look
    after its own affairs than many of the nations here. "

    Numerous other countries made statements in the course of the UN
    debates that reflected similar recognition of Tibet's independent
    status. Thus, for example, the delegate from the Philippines declared:
    " [It is clear that on the eve of the invasion in 1950, Tibet was not
    under the rule of any foreign country. " The delegate from Thailand
    reminded the assembly that the majority of states " refute the
    convention that Tibet is part of China. " The USA joined most other UN
    members in condemning the Chinese "aggression" and "invasion" of
    Tibet. In 1959, 1960 and again in 1961, the UN General Assembly passed resolutions (1353-XIV, 1723-XVI and 2079-XX) condemning Chinese human
    rights abuses in Tibet and calling on China to respect and implement
    the human rights and fundamental freedoms of the Tibetan people,
    including their right to self-determination.

    From a legal standpoint, Tibet to this day has not lost its statehood.
    It is an independent state under illegal occupation. Neither China's
    military invasion nor the continuing occupation by the PLA has
    transferred the sovereignty of Tibet to China. As pointed out earlier,
    the Chinese government has not claimed to have acquired sovereignty
    over Tibet by conquest. Indeed, China recognizes that the use or
    threat of force (outside the exceptional circumstances provided for in
    the UN Charter), the imposition of an unequal treaty or the continued
    illegal occupation of a country can never grant an invader legal title
    to territory. Its claims are based solely on the alleged subjection of
    Tibet to a few of China's strongest foreign rulers in the thirteenth
    and eighteenth centuries.

    How can China - one of the most ardent opponents of imperialism and colonialism - excuse its continued presence in Tibet, against the
    wishes of the Tibetan people, by citing as justification Mongol and
    Manchu imperialism and its own colonial policies ?

    Michael C Van Wait Van Praag

    From: THE STATUS OF TIBET:
    History, Rights and Prospects in International Law (Westview, 1987)
    Reproduced from LUNGTA December 1989

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/thomaswheat1975$20kangxi$20tibet/talk.politics.tibet/divYlZy6FwE/9Wu2ts1QKA8J

    On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 5:58:11 PM UTC-7, Thomas Wheat wrote:

    On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 4:47:40 PM UTC-7, The Progressive Voice wrote:
    Tibet is an Illegally Occupied Nation

    For over 1200 years Tibet was an independent monarchical Nation. Then the Mongols conquered China and Russia in 1242 and Tibet became suzerain autonomous to the Mongol Khan Kublai. However ther mongols deemed Tibet completely independent in internal
    affairs , with Mongolia responsible for National Defense, and a Vatican neutral theocratic state they ascribed to the Tibetans who under Sakya Pandita peacably converted them to Vajrayana Buddhism. The Tibetans entered into a Cho yon Priest patron
    relationship with the Mongol Khan's whereby the chief Sakya Lama and Later the Gelugpa Dalai Lama acted as his chief confessor. This relationship only existed while the Mongol Yuan Dynasty was still ruling China. In 1388 the yuan dynasty fell.

    During the Ming Dynasty Tibet maintained no diplomatic relations with China. It still continued diplomatic relations with Mongolia and Nepal. The Ming dynasty excerted no Suzerain control over Tibetan monastical succession or national defense. In 1644
    The Manchurians established the Qing dynasty, conquerer of all modern day china. Now they are all but extinct as a tribe. Under Emperor Kangxi, the Manchurians first established their time to hold the Cho yon relationship with the Tibetans. The Cho yon
    more less existed as it did under the Mongols, with the Qing Emperors. This cho yon relationship ceased when the Qing Dynasty fell in 1911.

    In 1912 Tibet declared itself Defacto and Dejure Independent of Foreign Powers. To establish the prerequisite for international recognition of independent sovereign status, Tibet entered into a mutual Military Defense Treaty with Mongolia. They also
    abolished the death penalty.

    During World War 2 Tibet was an officially international Neutral power, with its airspace closed to all Allied flights flying across the Himalya's. Franklin Roosevelt dispatched a mission to Tibet led by Leo Tolstoy's grandson, Illya Toltstoy's. The
    Tibetans politiely rebuffed FDR and Tibet's airspace was not crossed throughout the rest of that World War. This is proof of international recognition of Tibet.

    China illegally invaded Tibet in 1951 prommissing to Liberate the Tibetans from hypothetically imagined large scale feudal exploitation. In reality they projected their own cutltural bias and experience with feudalistic exploitation, onto the Tibetans
    who were mostly monks and nomads. Thus they were no different from the Western feudal Colonial powers, and thus have lost their mandate as a beacon socialist liberator, thereby the CCP is losing the moral high ground in the war of rhetoric.

    In 1959 alone the Chinese PLA massacred 85000 Tibetans in the capital Lhasa on one day as Tibetans revolted in uprising against PLA attempts at expropiation and forced relocation on communes and slave labor camps. All told some 1.2 millions Tibetans
    were genocidedly murdered over a 40 year span.

    The Population of Tibetans in Tibet has scarcely changed since 1959. Meanwhile the Tibetans are now a minority in their own capital, Lhasa. They are also indirectly subject to the one child policy in direct violation of PRC's laws on the books in
    regards to national minority policy. There is approximatelly 1.1 billion chinese of the Han Nationality, who are officially subject to the 1 child policy, and the remainder population is split between 24 tribes. Tibetans have been subject to CCP indirect
    recognition of forced sterilization and late term abortions forced on Tibetan Women by the reppressive imperialistic Chinese Communist Party.

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  • From The Progressive Voice@21:1/5 to The Progressive Voice on Sun Sep 2 16:52:42 2018
    Franklin D. Roosevelt's OSS Mission to Tibet: re: Tibetan neutrality during WWII

    The url below will take you to the national archives website. there
    you can see the video of Roosevelt's OSS mission to Tibet. http://blogs.archives.gov/prologue/?p=3810

    The OSS and the Dalai Lama

    OSS spies Brooke Dolan and Ilia Tolstoy traveling to Lhasa (still from
    "Inside Tibet," Records of the Office of Strategic Services)
    In the summer of 1942, the Allies’ war against Japan was in dire
    straits. China was constantly battling the occupying Japanese forces
    in its homeland, supplied by India via the Burma Road. Then Japan
    severed that supply artery. Planes were flown over the Himalayan
    mountains, but their payloads were too little, and too many pilots
    crashed in the desolate landscape to continue the flights.

    The Allies were desperate to find a land route that would reconnect
    China and India. The task fell to two OSS men—Ilia Tolstoy, the
    grandson of Leo Tolstoy, and explorer Capt. Brooke Dolan. To complete
    the land route would require traversing Tibet, and to traverse the
    hidden country required the permission of a seven-year-old boy, the
    Dalai Lama.

    When the two men arrived in Lhasa, the remote capital of Tibet, these
    spies were received as ambassadors. A military brass band played, and
    they were treated as guests of honor in a city that only a few decades
    earlier had forbidden Westerners to enter.

    They came carrying a message from President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
    On December 20, at 9:20 in the morning, they were granted an audience
    with His Holiness. As a further sign of his respect for these two
    emissaries, the men were allowed to ride horses up the Potala to the
    quarters of the Dalai Lama. After a brief wait, they entered the
    highest room in Lhasa. Lt. Col. Ilia Tolstoy wrote of his first
    glimpse of Tibet’s leader in a 1946 National Geographic:

    His Holiness was seated cross-legged, a high-peaked yellow hat on his
    head. We were immediately impressed by his young but stern face and
    not at all frail constitution. His cheeks were a healthy pink.

    Tolstoy proceeded through the tradition of offering gifts to the Dalai Lama—bread and butter followed by an image of Buddha, a religious
    book, and a chorten (a Buddhist reliquary). Then, for the first time
    in history, he made direct contact between the Dalai Lama and the
    President of the United States by passing a letter written by FDR to
    the young leader.

    After half an hour of discussion, the men left. A week later, they
    received the permission they were seeking to cross Tibet. It was the
    first such permission granted in 22 years, according to Tolstoy.

    Five months later, they crossed the Tibetan plateau, and the two men
    arrived in northern China, completing their journey. They had traveled
    over a thousand miles and spent over a hundred days in the saddle to
    pioneer a route to connect allied supplies with allied fighters across
    some of the world’s harshest terrain. Their mission was complete.

    While the route was never employed during the war—a diplomatic crisis prevented its use, and planes continued to fly “the hump” across the Himalayan mountains—Tolstoy and Brooke made history, bridging two
    cultures that before had never formally met. Brooke Dolan filmed the
    entire journey, and the reels are now housed in the motion picture
    holdings of the National Archives. The video is below.

    For more on spies and the National Archives, join us at 7 p.m. tonight
    at the International Spy Museum for “Spies and Conspiracies: Espionage
    in the Civil War.” For more footage from the OSS, CIA, and FBI, you
    can pick up our latest offering from the National Archives eStore: FBI/
    CIA Films Declassified.


    On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 4:47:40 PM UTC-7, The Progressive Voice wrote:
    Tibet is an Illegally Occupied Nation

    For over 1200 years Tibet was an independent monarchical Nation. Then the Mongols conquered China and Russia in 1242 and Tibet became suzerain autonomous to the Mongol Khan Kublai. However ther mongols deemed Tibet completely independent in internal
    affairs , with Mongolia responsible for National Defense, and a Vatican neutral theocratic state they ascribed to the Tibetans who under Sakya Pandita peacably converted them to Vajrayana Buddhism. The Tibetans entered into a Cho yon Priest patron
    relationship with the Mongol Khan's whereby the chief Sakya Lama and Later the Gelugpa Dalai Lama acted as his chief confessor. This relationship only existed while the Mongol Yuan Dynasty was still ruling China. In 1388 the yuan dynasty fell.

    During the Ming Dynasty Tibet maintained no diplomatic relations with China. It still continued diplomatic relations with Mongolia and Nepal. The Ming dynasty excerted no Suzerain control over Tibetan monastical succession or national defense. In 1644
    The Manchurians established the Qing dynasty, conquerer of all modern day china. Now they are all but extinct as a tribe. Under Emperor Kangxi, the Manchurians first established their time to hold the Cho yon relationship with the Tibetans. The Cho yon
    more less existed as it did under the Mongols, with the Qing Emperors. This cho yon relationship ceased when the Qing Dynasty fell in 1911.

    In 1912 Tibet declared itself Defacto and Dejure Independent of Foreign Powers. To establish the prerequisite for international recognition of independent sovereign status, Tibet entered into a mutual Military Defense Treaty with Mongolia. They also
    abolished the death penalty.

    During World War 2 Tibet was an officially international Neutral power, with its airspace closed to all Allied flights flying across the Himalya's. Franklin Roosevelt dispatched a mission to Tibet led by Leo Tolstoy's grandson, Illya Toltstoy's. The
    Tibetans politiely rebuffed FDR and Tibet's airspace was not crossed throughout the rest of that World War. This is proof of international recognition of Tibet.

    China illegally invaded Tibet in 1951 prommissing to Liberate the Tibetans from hypothetically imagined large scale feudal exploitation. In reality they projected their own cutltural bias and experience with feudalistic exploitation, onto the Tibetans
    who were mostly monks and nomads. Thus they were no different from the Western feudal Colonial powers, and thus have lost their mandate as a beacon socialist liberator, thereby the CCP is losing the moral high ground in the war of rhetoric.

    In 1959 alone the Chinese PLA massacred 85000 Tibetans in the capital Lhasa on one day as Tibetans revolted in uprising against PLA attempts at expropiation and forced relocation on communes and slave labor camps. All told some 1.2 millions Tibetans
    were genocidedly murdered over a 40 year span.

    The Population of Tibetans in Tibet has scarcely changed since 1959. Meanwhile the Tibetans are now a minority in their own capital, Lhasa. They are also indirectly subject to the one child policy in direct violation of PRC's laws on the books in
    regards to national minority policy. There is approximatelly 1.1 billion chinese of the Han Nationality, who are officially subject to the 1 child policy, and the remainder population is split between 24 tribes. Tibetans have been subject to CCP indirect
    recognition of forced sterilization and late term abortions forced on Tibetan Women by the reppressive imperialistic Chinese Communist Party.

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  • From The Progressive Voice@21:1/5 to The Progressive Voice on Sat Sep 8 00:54:30 2018
    Tibet is an illegally occupied nation. A Tibetan monk migrated out of Tibet in the 17th century and founded the kingdom of Bhutan. China has designs on forcibly incorporating Bhutan into the PRC. It justifies their narrative that Tibet and its peoples
    belong under the territorial administration of the PRC, as laughable as it gets, given that the only times Tibet was under foreign control was under the Mongols, and the Manchurians, not Han China, an ethnocentric designation for Han Nationalism and
    imperialism and dominant majority of china. The last Han dynasty was the Ming, and during that time china conducted no foreign relations with Tibet. The Yuan and the Qing dynasties are the historical justification the PRC uses to justify its claim
    Tibet has always been a part of china. For the Han this constitutes a false narrative and an example of neocolonialism by the PRC.

    On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 4:47:40 PM UTC-7, The Progressive Voice wrote:
    Tibet is an Illegally Occupied Nation

    For over 1200 years Tibet was an independent monarchical Nation. Then the Mongols conquered China and Russia in 1242 and Tibet became suzerain autonomous to the Mongol Khan Kublai. However ther mongols deemed Tibet completely independent in internal
    affairs , with Mongolia responsible for National Defense, and a Vatican neutral theocratic state they ascribed to the Tibetans who under Sakya Pandita peacably converted them to Vajrayana Buddhism. The Tibetans entered into a Cho yon Priest patron
    relationship with the Mongol Khan's whereby the chief Sakya Lama and Later the Gelugpa Dalai Lama acted as his chief confessor. This relationship only existed while the Mongol Yuan Dynasty was still ruling China. In 1388 the yuan dynasty fell.

    During the Ming Dynasty Tibet maintained no diplomatic relations with China. It still continued diplomatic relations with Mongolia and Nepal. The Ming dynasty excerted no Suzerain control over Tibetan monastical succession or national defense. In 1644
    The Manchurians established the Qing dynasty, conquerer of all modern day china. Now they are all but extinct as a tribe. Under Emperor Kangxi, the Manchurians first established their time to hold the Cho yon relationship with the Tibetans. The Cho yon
    more less existed as it did under the Mongols, with the Qing Emperors. This cho yon relationship ceased when the Qing Dynasty fell in 1911.

    In 1912 Tibet declared itself Defacto and Dejure Independent of Foreign Powers. To establish the prerequisite for international recognition of independent sovereign status, Tibet entered into a mutual Military Defense Treaty with Mongolia. They also
    abolished the death penalty.

    During World War 2 Tibet was an officially international Neutral power, with its airspace closed to all Allied flights flying across the Himalya's. Franklin Roosevelt dispatched a mission to Tibet led by Leo Tolstoy's grandson, Illya Toltstoy's. The
    Tibetans politiely rebuffed FDR and Tibet's airspace was not crossed throughout the rest of that World War. This is proof of international recognition of Tibet.

    China illegally invaded Tibet in 1951 prommissing to Liberate the Tibetans from hypothetically imagined large scale feudal exploitation. In reality they projected their own cutltural bias and experience with feudalistic exploitation, onto the Tibetans
    who were mostly monks and nomads. Thus they were no different from the Western feudal Colonial powers, and thus have lost their mandate as a beacon socialist liberator, thereby the CCP is losing the moral high ground in the war of rhetoric.

    In 1959 alone the Chinese PLA massacred 85000 Tibetans in the capital Lhasa on one day as Tibetans revolted in uprising against PLA attempts at expropiation and forced relocation on communes and slave labor camps. All told some 1.2 millions Tibetans
    were genocidedly murdered over a 40 year span.

    The Population of Tibetans in Tibet has scarcely changed since 1959. Meanwhile the Tibetans are now a minority in their own capital, Lhasa. They are also indirectly subject to the one child policy in direct violation of PRC's laws on the books in
    regards to national minority policy. There is approximatelly 1.1 billion chinese of the Han Nationality, who are officially subject to the 1 child policy, and the remainder population is split between 24 tribes. Tibetans have been subject to CCP indirect
    recognition of forced sterilization and late term abortions forced on Tibetan Women by the reppressive imperialistic Chinese Communist Party.

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