• were many past religious figures mentally ill at times

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 9 22:59:22 2019
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism

    This might be of interest to these groups since it presents some evidence
    that many past religious figures were mentally ill at times.

    On my Salmon on the Thorns website, http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html ,
    I document significant events and patterns in my mood cycles since 1991 and compare them to those of some past figures. One key feature of my cycles is
    an initial waning crescent mystic manic episode that culminated in a sun
    stare, naked thorn hill climb, and blue rose vision, in early September,
    1991. Then from 1992 to 1994 I had four waxing gibbous moon trials, and three of them were followed 5.5 lunar months later by waning crescent hypomanias.
    In early 1996 low/wilderness years began, and they are not over yet, though while I am on medication they are not too low except in terms of creativity. And on that website I present some evidence that I am similar to Taliesin, Amergin, Lleu, Fintan, Myrddin, Adonis, Dionysus, the Havamal 138--141 composer, Quetzalcoatl, Glooskap, the Iowa Dakota Salmon youth, Rama,
    Krishna, Buddha, the Turquoise Bee, Jacob, Moses, and Jesus, which implies
    that they were similar to one another.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “Goin' away far across the sea/But I'll be back for you/I'm gonna tell
    you everything I know/Baby, everything is true” (Van Morrison)

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  • From Mike_Duffy@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Mon Jun 10 21:28:59 2019
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism

    On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 22:59:22 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    This might be of interest to these groups since it presents some evidence that many past religious figures were mentally ill at times.

    David, there are a lot of people who are not in any way religious to speak
    of who at one time or another find themselves outside of their optimal
    mental performance envelope.

    For example, most of us at some times during life become depressed.
    Usually, we do not seek professional help. We opt instead to simply use
    friends as a sounding board and re-arrange our priorities to the point
    where we can find a way to go forward.

    Sometimes, we might be embarassed to approach friends, and instead use the anonymity of an Internet pseudonym. If you look closely, a lot of people posting here meet the criteria of mental illness.

    --
    http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 11 02:22:19 2019
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism

    On Jun 11, 2019, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.22AF64960598EFFF70000CF392CF@news.eternal-september.org>):

    On Jun 10, 2019, Mike_Duffy wrote
    (in article<e06i7qr9v8vu$.9rlvlbgkohd1.dlg@40tude.net>):

    On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 22:59:22 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    This might be of interest to these groups since it presents some evidence that many past religious figures were mentally ill at times.

    David, there are a lot of people who are not in any way religious to speak of who at one time or another find themselves outside of their optimal mental performance envelope.

    For example, most of us at some times during life become depressed. Usually, we do not seek professional help. We opt instead to simply use friends as a sounding board and re-arrange our priorities to the point where we can find a way to go forward.

    Sometimes, we might be embarassed to approach friends, and instead use the anonymity of an Internet pseudonym. If you look closely, a lot of people posting here meet the criteria of mental illness.

    I said that many religious figures were mentally ill at times, not that everyone who is mentally ill is a religious figure.

    Note that the DSM 5 has a category entitled
    Religious and Spiritual Problems.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “Goin' away far across the sea/But I'll be back for you/I'm gonna tell
    you everything I know/Baby, everything is true” (Van Morrison)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 11 01:54:54 2019
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism

    On Jun 10, 2019, Mike_Duffy wrote
    (in article<e06i7qr9v8vu$.9rlvlbgkohd1.dlg@40tude.net>):

    On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 22:59:22 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    This might be of interest to these groups since it presents some evidence that many past religious figures were mentally ill at times.

    David, there are a lot of people who are not in any way religious to speak
    of who at one time or another find themselves outside of their optimal
    mental performance envelope.

    For example, most of us at some times during life become depressed.
    Usually, we do not seek professional help. We opt instead to simply use friends as a sounding board and re-arrange our priorities to the point
    where we can find a way to go forward.

    Sometimes, we might be embarassed to approach friends, and instead use the anonymity of an Internet pseudonym. If you look closely, a lot of people posting here meet the criteria of mental illness.

    I said that many religious figures were mentally ill at times, not that everyone who is mentally ill is a religious figure.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “Goin' away far across the sea/But I'll be back for you/I'm gonna tell
    you everything I know/Baby, everything is true” (Van Morrison)

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  • From Angela P@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 28 23:26:09 2019
    I think when you have faith in God and religion you do certain things like speak to them you find yourself on a mission for them and when you tell all this to other people that don't have faith yeah they think you're a little bit crazy so leaders that
    have a connection to God outsiders would say they are little mentally ill

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 13 03:51:29 2019
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism

    On Jun 9, 2019, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.22ADE9F20540309D70000CF392CF@news.eternal-september.org>):

    This might be of interest to these groups since it presents some evidence that many past religious figures were mentally ill at times.

    On my Salmon on the Thorns website, http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html , I document significant events and patterns in my mood cycles since 1991 and compare them to those of some past figures. One key feature of my cycles is an initial waning crescent mystic manic episode that culminated in a sun stare, naked thorn hill climb, and blue rose vision, in early September, 1991. Then from 1992 to 1994 I had four waxing gibbous moon trials, and three of them were followed 5.5 lunar months later by waning crescent hypomanias. In early 1996 low/wilderness years began, and they are not over yet, though while I am on medication they are not too low except in terms of creativity. And on that website I present some evidence that I am similar to Taliesin, Amergin, Lleu, Fintan, Myrddin, Adonis, Dionysus, the Havamal 138--141 composer, Quetzalcoatl, Glooskap, the Iowa Dakota Salmon youth, Rama, Krishna, Buddha, the Turquoise Bee, Jacob, Moses, and Jesus, which implies that they were similar to one another.

    I edited the web page slightly tonight, updating the Recent Changes
    subpage and moving entries that were in it from 2013 to July, 2018
    to the last subsubpage of the Biography/mystic experiences subpage.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
    “I see my light come shining/From the west unto the east
    Any day now, any day now/I shall be released” (Bob Dylan)

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