• HOW TO WIND THE 2.0 EVOLUTION PRIZE BY THE MAN WHO INITIATED THE PRIZE

    From Ron Dean@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 20 21:47:51 2024
    In a search, I came across the site regarding the man, who initiated
    the $10,000,000 prize, an Engineer named Perry Marshall and his
    instructions as to how THE $10000000 PRIZE can be won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpPjmMsKIk

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  • From RonO@21:1/5 to Ron Dean on Thu Mar 21 17:47:19 2024
    On 3/20/2024 8:47 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    In  a search, I came across the site regarding the man, who initiated
    the $10,000,000 prize, an Engineer named Perry Marshall and his
    instructions as to how THE $10000000 PRIZE can be won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpPjmMsKIk


    The engineer has the wrong idea of what the issue is. Life isn't the
    code. Molecular chemistry evolved the code because it was a more
    efficient means to self replicate. There were likely simple self
    replicators before there was a genetic code. Self replicators were
    probably macromolecules that could synthesize more copies of themselves.

    It sounds like the whole thing is based on a false premise. The initial information that life relied on was simply the chemistry of their
    physical selves. A macromolecule like a peptide chain may fold into a
    shape and have a surface and atomic structure exposed to the environment
    that will do things like dehydrate two molecules to create a chemical
    bond. The information is in the physical nature of the macromolecule.
    A protein with a certain sequence of amino acids will fold into a
    structure that can facilitate other chemical reactions. The first self replicators could make copies of themselves. They would not have had to perfectly replicate, in fact imperfect replication would allow them to
    evolve more functional variants of themselves.

    This type of information is required to enable the evolution of a
    genetic code.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@21:1/5 to Ron Dean on Sat Mar 23 08:06:56 2024
    On 3/22/2024 7:34 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    RonO wrote:
    On 3/20/2024 8:47 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    In  a search, I came across the site regarding the man, who initiated
    the $10,000,000 prize, an Engineer named Perry Marshall and his
    instructions as to how THE $10000000 PRIZE can be won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpPjmMsKIk


    The engineer has the wrong idea of what the issue is.  Life isn't the
    code.  Molecular chemistry evolved the code because it was a more
    efficient means to self replicate.  There were likely simple self
    replicators before there was a genetic code.  Self replicators were
    probably macromolecules that could synthesize more copies of themselves.

    It sounds like the whole thing is based on a false premise.

    I think, maybe you are wrong! One of the leading researchers in origin
    of life experments, Dr. Lee Cronin thinks he can win the $10,000,000 prize. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njuso5A2jts

    It doesn't matter how many people think that they can win. It doesn't
    change the fact that the guy that initiated the the whole thing doesn't understand what the problem is. The guy focused on the genetic code,
    but the genetic code is not the basis of life on earth. The information (biological code) that life depends on is the various molecular
    structures that can be made on earth and in our carbon based lifeforms.
    The genetic code is only the means that life evolved to replicate some
    of that chemical-structural information efficiently and with a high
    degree of accuracy.

    You can define life as something that requires a genetic code, but that
    doesn't mean that there wasn't something "living" that existed before
    there was a genetic DNA code.

    Ron Okimoto


     The initial
    information that life relied on was simply the chemistry of their
    physical selves.  A macromolecule like a peptide chain may fold into a
    shape and have a surface and atomic structure exposed to the
    environment that will do things like dehydrate two molecules to create
    a chemical bond.  The information is in the physical nature of the
    macromolecule. A protein with a certain sequence of amino acids will
    fold into a structure that can facilitate other chemical reactions.
    The first self replicators could make copies of themselves.  They
    would not have had to perfectly replicate, in fact imperfect
    replication would allow them to evolve more functional variants of
    themselves.

    This type of information is required to enable the evolution of a
    genetic code.

    Ron Okimoto



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  • From RonO@21:1/5 to Ron Dean on Sun Mar 24 08:19:06 2024
    On 3/23/2024 8:09 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    RonO wrote:
    On 3/22/2024 7:34 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    RonO wrote:
    On 3/20/2024 8:47 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    In  a search, I came across the site regarding the man, who
    initiated the $10,000,000 prize, an Engineer named Perry Marshall
    and his instructions as to how THE $10000000 PRIZE can be won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpPjmMsKIk


    The engineer has the wrong idea of what the issue is.  Life isn't
    the code.  Molecular chemistry evolved the code because it was a
    more efficient means to self replicate.  There were likely simple
    self replicators before there was a genetic code.  Self replicators
    were probably macromolecules that could synthesize more copies of
    themselves.

    It sounds like the whole thing is based on a false premise.
    ;
    I think, maybe you are wrong! One of the leading researchers in
    origin of life experments, Dr. Lee Cronin thinks he can win the
    $10,000,000 prize.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njuso5A2jts

    It doesn't matter how many people think that they can win.  It doesn't
    change the fact that the guy that initiated the the whole thing
    doesn't understand what the problem is.

    Have you considered, it's you that's not understanding? It occurs to me
    that since Lee Cronin, one of the leading researchers in the quest for
    the explanation of how life began takes the challenge seriously, there
    must be something you and a number of others on TO are missing.
    This is the challenge obviously is the origin of life. No one knows. But there are several hyppothesus
    Then latest is heat vent at the ocean floor
    or
    life originated somehow on or in clay.
    or
    it came from outer space.
    This hypothesis pushes the origin of life completely out of bounds.

    Of course the single most commonly agreed upon theory is the first life
    came about through the RNA world. But where did we get RNA World? If we
    don't know where RNA came from, it too is
    out of bounds. If we know nothing about life's origin what do we really
    know about evolution. This I think leaves evolution without a foundation.

    The guy was just wrong. There is no doubt about that. There is
    information in the macromolecules created by the normal chemistry
    involving the existing elements. It was this information that made the evolution of the genetic code possible. The DNA code is only a means to replicate the information in peptide macromolecules efficiently and
    accurately.

    There were likely self replicators before RNA existed. The RNA world
    did not require a DNA genetic code, nor the replicators that likely
    existed before the RNA world. The information that they were
    replicating existed in the structure of the macromolecules themselves.

    Ron Okimoto




     The guy focused on the genetic code,
    but the genetic code is not the basis of life on earth.  The
    information (biological code) that life depends on is the various
    molecular structures that can be made on earth and in our carbon based
    lifeforms. The genetic code is only the means that life evolved to
    replicate some of that chemical-structural information efficiently and
    with a high degree of accuracy.

    You can define life as something that requires a genetic code, but
    that doesn't mean that there wasn't something "living" that existed
    before there was a genetic DNA code.



    Ron Okimoto

    ;
      The initial
    information that life relied on was simply the chemistry of their
    physical selves.  A macromolecule like a peptide chain may fold into
    a shape and have a surface and atomic structure exposed to the
    environment that will do things like dehydrate two molecules to
    create a chemical bond.  The information is in the physical nature
    of the macromolecule. A protein with a certain sequence of amino
    acids will fold into a structure that can facilitate other chemical
    reactions. The first self replicators could make copies of
    themselves.  They would not have had to perfectly replicate, in fact
    imperfect replication would allow them to evolve more functional
    variants of themselves.

    This type of information is required to enable the evolution of a
    genetic code.

    Ron Okimoto





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  • From Burkhard@21:1/5 to Ron Dean on Sun Mar 24 22:44:52 2024
    Ron Dean wrote:

    RonO wrote:
    On 3/22/2024 7:34 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    RonO wrote:
    On 3/20/2024 8:47 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    In  a search, I came across the site regarding the man, who
    initiated the $10,000,000 prize, an Engineer named Perry Marshall
    and his instructions as to how THE $10000000 PRIZE can be won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpPjmMsKIk


    The engineer has the wrong idea of what the issue is.  Life isn't the >>>> code.  Molecular chemistry evolved the code because it was a more
    efficient means to self replicate.  There were likely simple self
    replicators before there was a genetic code.  Self replicators were
    probably macromolecules that could synthesize more copies of themselves. >>>>
    It sounds like the whole thing is based on a false premise.
    ;
    I think, maybe you are wrong! One of the leading researchers in origin
    of life experments, Dr. Lee Cronin thinks he can win the $10,000,000
    prize.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njuso5A2jts

    It doesn't matter how many people think that they can win.  It doesn't
    change the fact that the guy that initiated the the whole thing doesn't
    understand what the problem is.

    Have you considered, it's you that's not understanding? It occurs to me
    that since Lee Cronin, one of the leading researchers in the quest for
    the explanation of how life began takes the challenge seriously, there
    must be something you and a number of others on TO are missing.
    This is the challenge obviously is the origin of life. No one knows. But there are several hyppothesus
    Then latest is heat vent at the ocean floor
    or
    life originated somehow on or in clay.
    or
    it came from outer space.
    This hypothesis pushes the origin of life completely out of bounds.

    Of course the single most commonly agreed upon theory is the first life
    came about through the RNA world. But where did we get RNA World?

    difficult to say, but one possible contender is from Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) e.g. here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6747172/

    If we
    don't know where RNA came from, it too is
    out of bounds. If we know nothing about life's origin what do we really
    know about evolution. This I think leaves evolution without a foundation.

    That may sound convincing to a 4-year-old who just discovered the power
    of the word "why" when asked repetitively for over an hour. For everybody
    else not so much. We have e.g. excellent knowledge of how modern English evolved from Middle English, but already much less detailed ideas of how
    Middle English evolved Old English, and even less how Old English
    evolved from Ingvaeonic. For the origins of Ingvaeonic, we have to rely on proto-Germanic, which is entirely a theoretical reconstruction, which
    is even more true for its ancestors, proto-indo -European, etc And at
    some point, evidence will simply run out and the reconstruction becomes somewhat between mere speculation to "even impossible" to speculate - but
    none of this lack of "foundation" has any bearing on what we know about the evolution of the language of Shakespeare to that of Bob Dylan.

    Similarly, we have excellent knowledge of the settlement of the northern
    part of America a by settlers from Britain, less knowledge of the
    settlement of Britain by the Saxons, and the Saxons "suddenly appear
    in the historical record" at around 200 AD, but without knowing much
    of who they were or where they came from. Nonetheless, nobody argues that
    means they popped fully formed into existence in Northern Germany on a
    a fine spring day in 142 AD, or that our difficulties finding their ancestors has any bearing whatsoever on our knowledge of the Pilgrim fathers ff.

    With all historical research, we will run out of data at some point
    or another. In some disciplines earlier, in some later. That's what
    we should expect, and it affects in no shape or form those things
    that occurred later and that we can reconstruct



    The guy focused on the genetic code,
    but the genetic code is not the basis of life on earth.  The information
    (biological code) that life depends on is the various molecular
    structures that can be made on earth and in our carbon based lifeforms.
    The genetic code is only the means that life evolved to replicate some
    of that chemical-structural information efficiently and with a high
    degree of accuracy.

    You can define life as something that requires a genetic code, but that
    doesn't mean that there wasn't something "living" that existed before
    there was a genetic DNA code.



    Ron Okimoto

    ;
      The initial
    information that life relied on was simply the chemistry of their
    physical selves.  A macromolecule like a peptide chain may fold into
    a shape and have a surface and atomic structure exposed to the
    environment that will do things like dehydrate two molecules to
    create a chemical bond.  The information is in the physical nature of >>>> the macromolecule. A protein with a certain sequence of amino acids
    will fold into a structure that can facilitate other chemical
    reactions. The first self replicators could make copies of
    themselves.  They would not have had to perfectly replicate, in fact
    imperfect replication would allow them to evolve more functional
    variants of themselves.

    This type of information is required to enable the evolution of a
    genetic code.

    Ron Okimoto




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