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  • WHY CAN'T THE UNIVERSE BE ETERNAL??

    From Ron Dean@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 4 02:54:29 2020
    In a debate between an atheist and a believer who believes in
    Intelligent Design, the IDest stated that in the beginning the universe
    had to have a cause. And that cause is the eternal God. The atheist
    responded, you say God is eternal, then why can't the universe be
    eternal? Of course, if the universe is eternal, there's no need for a
    cause and no need for an eternal God. But if there was a beginning, then
    there must have been a cause according to the law of cause and effect.

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to Ron Dean on Fri Dec 4 04:50:57 2020
    On Dec 4, 2020, Ron Dean wrote
    (in article <zJlyH.62503$Cc5.21988@fx36.iad>):

    In a debate between an atheist and a believer who believes in
    Intelligent Design, the IDest stated that in the beginning the universe
    had to have a cause. And that cause is the eternal God. The atheist responded, you say God is eternal, then why can't the universe be
    eternal? Of course, if the universe is eternal, there's no need for a
    cause and no need for an eternal God. But if there was a beginning, then there must have been a cause according to the law of cause and effect.

    Yes, the universe might be breathing (and breeding?).

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And now the angry morning/Gives the early signs of warning/You must
    face
    alone the plans you make/Decisions they will try to break" (Sarah McLachlan)

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