• Re: Desalinization vs. Reservoirs

    From Intelligent Party@21:1/5 to Intelligent Party on Fri Aug 30 11:38:50 2024
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    On 8/30/2024 3:05 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of
    water.

    Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of water. On >>> the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.

    Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of
    water. On the Eel River

    Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the Peripheral >>> Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.


    These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
    State. These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately
    needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in California as >>> we have.

    The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
    The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
    There is runoff from Federal to State.


    For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two
    largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.


    Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk



    The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860 million today. Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today, closer to $10 billion. https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules


    If it cost $10 Billion

    The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1 billion
    to build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant


    It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25 billion
    per year.

    If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the Hoover
    Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot of water is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water 3,258,509,400,000,
    3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.

    We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in San
    Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25 billion x
    10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year. Or 500,000,000
    gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.

    We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times 182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization plants.


    If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be 1.785
    time more water to have damns.

    Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the future?
    Maybe there are economies of scale?

    If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion it
    would be 178.5 times more water. However, we should not build damns
    that fail, and it should be a Federal project.


    If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.


    We have to consider capacity vs. yield.

    This 1979 New York Times article states: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/01/18/archives/us-may-add-200-feet-to-a-coast-dam-cheaper-alternative.html


    "Many possibilities for tapping more water from the rushing northern
    rivers are under consideration. An increasingly plausible one, engineers
    say, would be to add about 200 feet to the height of Shasta Dam. That
    would triple its storage capacity to 14 million acre‐feet, more than one‐third of the state's annual consumption, and would increase the reservoir's annual yield of four million acre‐feet some 25 percent."
    January 18, 1979

    This states a 300% increase in capacity, but only a 25% increase in yield!

    This may not be the same for the Klammath River, which is dumping water
    into the ocean, but the Desalinization numbers above are all yield!

    Dams also give hydroelectric power which desalinization doesn't.

    "The study even advances the possibility, by adding 300 feet to the
    dam's height instead of 200, of increasing the storage capacity more
    than sixfold, to 27 million acre‐feet."


    "The 200‐foot addition would double the area of Lake Shasta, to 90
    square miles."

    "The 45-square-mile lake is California's biggest reservoir, storing the equivalent of more than one‐tenth of the state's annual consumption of water."

    "The study is only a prospectus. If considered promising, it would be
    followed by a four‐year feasibility study, two years of public review
    and Congressional consideration, four years of design work, six years of construction time, and four years of filling the reservoir to its
    planned operating level. Actual operation, then, would be at least 20
    years away." - 1979


    33 year old Dam then, is now 78 years old now. Hoover Dam in Nevada is
    93 years old.

    California uses is 40 million acre feet of water per year, and this has
    not increased in 50 years, even as the population has doubled.
    See chart on 2nd page: https://cwc.ca.gov/-/media/CWC-Website/Files/Documents/2019/06_June/June2019_Item_12_Attach_2_PPICFactSheets.pdf


    "The dam, 3,400 feet across its rim, impounds in Lake Shasta 4.5 million
    acre feet of water, normally releasing it at the staggering rate of
    79,000 cubic feet a second. An acre‐foot is some 325,000 gallons, equal
    to an acre of water a foot deep."

    4.5 million acre feet = 1.46 Trillion gallons.

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Intelligent Party on Fri Aug 30 13:35:55 2024
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    Intelligent Party wrote:
    We have to consider capacity




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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
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    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Intelligent Party on Fri Aug 30 13:36:08 2024
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    Intelligent Party wrote:
    If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.




    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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