• Money Mustache - money last for life = $1M or $1.33M

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    from https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mr-money-mustache-you-can-retire-super-early-and-have-your-money-last-for-life-2018-12-17

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    Opinion: Mr. Money Mustache: You can retire super early and have your
    money last for life
    Published: Dec 20, 2018 5:00 p.m. ET

    Here’s what you need to know, no side hustle required

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    Over the past year, the concept of very early retirement seems to have
    finally hit the mainstream, with dozens of stories appearing in major publications in the U.S. and Europe. The stories typically focus on a
    few individuals or families, profiling the ways they have streamlined
    their lifestyles for lower cost.

    But the problem with most people who have retired before their 40th
    birthday is that they tend to be fairly driven people, packed with ideas
    and energy. Because of this, they usually end up with some sort of hobby business or side hustle even after this formal retirement. And this is
    great; working part-time on your own terms is a healthy way to stay
    engaged with the world and build new friendships.

    But the downside of all this “side hustle” talk is that you can take it
    too far, and people start to think that early retirement is possible
    only if you keep making money afterwards.

    Mainstream financial advisers only add to this confusion. They rarely
    admit that there is such thing as a finite chunk of money that you can
    live safely on, forever. They say stuff like, “Financial independence is great, but truly retiring from making money? Forget it.”

    This is where Mr. Money Mustache puts a stake in the ground.

    Because it IS absolutely possible and in fact very easy to make a chunk
    of money last through your lifetime. There is no magic or unusual risk
    or hope involved. It’s just plain math.

    Even with all the complexities of the modern financial world with its
    booms and busts, OPECs and Brexits and the churning sea of changing
    politicians and dictators, it still all boils down to a really simple
    number. And we can illustrate it with this really simple example:

    Let’s say you want to be able to spend $40,000 per year (including
    taxes) for life, and have that spending allowance continue to grow with inflation. And you never want to make another dollar from work in your lifetime.

    In this situation, the following three sentences represent the entire
    universe of probability for you:

    • If you retire with $800,000 in investments, you will probably make it through your whole life without running out of money (a 5% withdrawal rate);

    • If you start with a $1 million nest egg (a 4% withdrawal rate), you
    will very likely never run out of money;

    • If you start with $1.33 million chunk (a 3% withdrawal rate), it is overwhelmingly certain that you’ll have a growing surplus for life.

    Now, these statements do all depend on the continued existence of a
    productive human race that continues to innovate and trade and not
    destroy its own productive capacity.

    But you know what?

    • In the event of a global apocalypse, you won’t be thanking yourself
    for spending those last few years in the office accumulating a few last
    shares of index funds anyway.

    • The strategies described in this blog are designed to shift us all to
    a more sustainable, healthy, productive economy. So when you live a
    Mustachian lifestyle, you’re boosting the likelihood of an
    apocalypse-free future for all of us. Thus, because of you, we are all
    going to do just fine.

    So. A fixed chunk of money is about as safe a retirement strategy as
    you’ll ever find.

    It’s safer than relying on any job, because keeping a steady job depends
    on the overall economy remaining healthy enough to feed your company,
    your company remaining solvent, and you remaining productive and useful
    to that company.

    Meanwhile, a good investment portfolio just depends on the world economy
    in general continuing to exist.

    Read: Mark Cuban says the best investing advice he got when young was to
    be as poor as possible first

    But once you’ve got that chunk, how do actually convert it into a safe
    stream of lifetime income?

    In other words, most of us get to the door of financial independence
    with something like this:

    A complex financial picture with lots of dollar signs – but can you
    retire on it?
    But what we really want is something like this:


    This is how money flow really works in early retirement..

    So what is the problem?
    Most people get stuck on the same three questions:

    • What investments do I use to provide a lifetime of income?

    • A big chunk of my savings are in a 401(k) or pension, locked up until
    I’m 59. How do I retire at 35?

    • How can I pay for (U.S.) health insurance on a $3,300 per month
    budget, when I’ve heard monthly premiums can exceed $1,200 per month for
    a family of four?

    The great news is that there are easy answers for all three. They are
    just not widely known because true early retirement (with no backup
    income) is such a rare field that very few people write about it. So
    let’s bang out those answers right here:

    As always, I suggest that you only need one thing: a generous bucketload
    of low-fee index funds. It can even be a single index fund if you want
    to keep it even simpler: Vanguard’s Total Stock Market Exchange Traded
    Fund VTI, -2.12%

    Whether you own these funds through your company’s 401(k) plan, or the brokerage account of your choice, or a Vanguard account, or through an automatic management service like Betterment, as I do, doesn’t matter.
    What matters is that you are buying pieces of real, profitable
    companies, which pay dividends and appreciate over time.

    Read: A Boglehead explains the simplest way to manage your money

    OK, got the funds, now what?
    You’re 35 years old, have saved exactly $1 million and have handed in
    your resignation.

    At this point, you will probably have at least two chunks of money: a
    normal chunk (also known as a taxable account), and a retirement chunk
    (perhaps a 401(k), IRA, or pension).

    Let’s suppose it is divvied up like this:

    When you retire early, you use up your taxable accounts first.

    On your first day of freedom, you log into your account, find the option
    for what to do with dividends, and set those to get automatically
    deposited into your checking account.

    Right now, the VTI fund pays a 1.89% annual dividend, which means the
    $500,000 account in that green box above will pay $9,000 in annual
    dividends straight to you.

    Then, if you’re shooting for $40,000 of annual spending, simply set up
    an automatic monthly withdrawal of an additional $31,000 per year
    ($2,583 per month) to be sent to your checking account, which is set to automatically pay off your credit card, which you use to buy your groceries.

    But won’t I run out of money if I do this?
    That’s the magic of early retirement math — the answer is NOPE! Because check out how this plays out:

    • Because of those withdrawals, your account will lose a few shares
    every year.

    • But because of natural stock-market growth, your account will be
    fighting back and each share will be worth a bit more.

    • Thus, your money lasts much longer than it would if you were just
    keeping it all in a checking account or stuffed in your mattress.

    • So a quick spreadsheet simulation of this drawdown reveals that your account survives almost 23 years. At which point you are 58 years old — almost eligible for penalty-free withdrawal of your true retirement money.

    • BUT, during this whole time, that other $500,000 in your retirement
    account grew untouched (and untaxed), and it’s now worth about $1.2
    million dollars even after accounting for future inflation. In other
    words, you have WAY more than enough to live on forever at that point.
    (For this calculation, I assumed the stock market delivers a 4% rate of
    return including dividends, after inflation, or roughly a 6%-7% total
    annual return.)

    A fixed chunk of money is about as safe a retirement strategy as you’ll
    ever find.
    Here’s a quick spreadsheet with simple assumptions and 4%
    after-inflation stock market returns. In this situation the first
    $500,000 lasts about 23 years.

    And here’s the same thing, except I did it in Betterment’s fun
    retirement income simulator, using a 95% stock portfolio. This version
    is slightly less optimistic, but still gets us out to almost 20 years in
    the most probable scenario.

    If you have a really large locked-up retirement balance and a small
    taxable account, you might want to tap into the retirement account
    sooner. There are ways to do that penalty-free too; see this earlier MMM article for a few ideas.

    Read: This is how you can withdraw from your 401(k) at 55 — without
    paying a penalty

    The overall lesson: It doesn’t matter how you have your investments
    split up between normal investments and retirement accounts. It just
    matters how much you have in total.

    Heck, even if you are stuck with a $1 million house occupying a huge
    part of your net worth, you can convert that into livable money: sell
    the house, put the cash into index funds, and use the resulting cash
    stream to rent a spiffy but reasonably priced house or apartment in the
    lovely walkable area of your choice.

    OK, what about health insurance?
    If you are stuck in the world’s most expensive medical care market like
    I am, the most profitable investment of all may be salads, bikes, and
    barbells because these virtually eliminate the “lifestyle diseases” that trigger about 75% of U.S. health-care spending.

    But even so, most people choose to insure against surprise medical
    bills, and people with existing medical needs depend on help with those

    The good news is, the politically controversial Affordable Care Act
    actually handles this much better than most people assume. If I go to healthcare.gov right now (or in my case the Colorado-specific
    equivalent) and put in a hypothetical 4-person family with a $40,000
    annual income in my ZIP Code right now, I see this:

    This represents a cost reduction of $830 per month relative to what a high-income person would pay for the same coverage. So in other words,
    the United States just has a progressive tax-bracket system like other
    rich countries, chopped up a little differently. It’s not great and to
    be clear, this is bad health insurance because it has a high deductible.
    But at least it’s not a retirement-buster.

    Other things you probably don’t need to worry about but everybody does
    What if stocks fall or my cost of living goes up?
    Stock-market crashes are never permanent. In the long run, the market
    always goes up. So all that happens during a crash is that those few
    shares that you do sell during those brief times when the market is down
    will hurt your account balance just a bit more. Within a year or two,
    the market is back up and your remaining stocks are more valuable than
    ever. If you want even further reassurance, you could just choose to
    spend a bit less money during this time.

    As for your cost of living going up faster than inflation — it rarely happens. And if it does, you can adjust by spending less in other areas.
    Most things are in your control, especially if you take a big-picture
    view. You can shop around, move, and alter your lifestyle in a million different ways, and in fact this is really good for you.

    Standard retirement advice is based on protecting people from any form
    of hardship or change, which is completely counterproductive. In the
    right quantity, these are the backbone of a good life and the fuel for
    personal growth. Without them, you will melt into a whining puddle in
    front of a television that endlessly blares Fox News.

    Every financial adviser (even Betterment!) seems to suggest lots of
    bonds. Why does MMM only hold stocks?
    The quick answer is that stocks earn more money on average, especially
    right now in 2018 with bond yields so low. Sure, stocks are more
    volatile, but volatility only bothers fearful people who look at the
    stock market every day and fret when it jumps around. As a Mustachian,
    you don’t do this. Lower stock prices are simply a temporary sale on stocks.

    What about all sorts of other stuff not covered in this article?
    The absolute key to success in early retirement, and indeed most areas
    of life, is to get the big picture approximately right and not sweat the
    small stuff. And design the big picture with a generous safety margin,
    which allows lots of slop and mistakes in your original forecasts and
    allows you to still come out with a surplus.

    For example, I assumed a $40,000 annual spending rate, which is way more
    than almost anyone really needs to live well here in the U.S.,
    especially once your kids are grown. I completely ignored Social
    Security, which will benefit most people at a level between $1,000 and
    $2,500 per month for a big portion of their older years. I ignored any incidental income or inheritances or profits you might make on selling
    your house someday, and the list goes on.

    So that’s the line in the sand.

    Although I personally think working hard almost every day after your
    retirement is good for you, it is also completely optional, and you
    don’t have to earn any money at it if you don’t want to.

    A chunk of money is a perfectly good retirement plan, and the math
    doesn’t care if you are retiring at 5 years old or 85. If you get the
    numbers right, you’re set for life.

    Mr. Money Mustache (Pete Adeney in real life) is a Colorado family man
    who retired 11 years ago at age 30 after an unexceptional 10-year
    engineering career, and now writes occasionally about finance, business, lifestyle, technology and other topics at mrmoneymustache.com. This is
    adapted from “How to Retire Forever on a Fixed Chunk of Money.” Follow
    him on Twitter @mrmoneymustache.

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    Great but ... some people want to die broke!

    Spending less than you make accomplishes two things:
    1.Assets accumulate
    2.Spending less than you make is a practical skill that protects you
    from future overspending regardless of your circumstance.
    And I might add that as you are accumulating, it is important to your
    own well being to have a demonstrable generous spirit. Otherwise wealth
    is a soul crushing trap.You can't take $$ with you but you will leave
    with a reputation.
    Wealth is a good thing, but the stingy and selfish give wealth a bad name.
    The Good Samaritan was good not because he had means but because he
    shared it.
    This fictional character is still famous 2000 years later.
    Think about that when you count your blessings.

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