• medication reduction

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 28 03:24:51 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    I've decided that while medication is making my low years easier,
    it may also be blocking me from coming out of the low years.
    So beginning tonight I reduced my divalproex sodium from 1250 mg
    to 1000 mg and am not taking my 10 mg olanzapine. I will repeat
    that tomorrow (Friday) night and hope for positive effects at
    Saturday's super full moon. I may or may not continue the
    reduction into waning moon. If I have negative effects I will
    wait a while before resuming the olanzapine since it could be
    withdrawal effects, but I probably would resume the olanzapine
    before my Ph.D. resumes on Sept. 9 if I don't have positive
    effects by then. (Based on my past experiences the most likely
    time for me to have psychosis is during waxing moon,
    particularly waxing gibbous moon, and full moon is a time of
    release for me; also I don't drink 1--9 days before full moon,
    but change water to wine at full moon.)

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Fri Aug 28 16:06:29 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-5B0B19.03245028082015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    I've decided that while medication is making my low years easier,
    it may also be blocking me from coming out of the low years.
    So beginning tonight I reduced my divalproex sodium from 1250 mg
    to 1000 mg and am not taking my 10 mg olanzapine. I will repeat
    that tomorrow (Friday) night and hope for positive effects at
    Saturday's super full moon. I may or may not continue the
    reduction into waning moon. If I have negative effects I will
    wait a while before resuming the olanzapine since it could be
    withdrawal effects, but I probably would resume the olanzapine
    before my Ph.D. resumes on Sept. 9 if I don't have positive
    effects by then. (Based on my past experiences the most likely
    time for me to have psychosis is during waxing moon,
    particularly waxing gibbous moon, and full moon is a time of
    release for me; also I don't drink 1--9 days before full moon,
    but change water to wine at full moon.)

    In the past I have been on just lithium and no olanzapine and
    had only minor problems as long as I avoid drinking 1--9 days
    before full moon. As a bipolar my main drug is the mood
    stabilizer divalproex sodium and olanzapine is just a topup
    drug, and I have stopped it in the past without experiencing
    significant withdrawal effects. I think SSRIs are worse for
    withdrawal effects and I am not on one of those. But if I do
    experience significant negative effects I will go back on the
    olanzapine right away. So far I had a little insomnia on
    trying to get to sleep last night but once I did I got eight
    hours of sleep. Also I will meet with my psychiatrist on
    Sept. 8. I will report back here on how the next few days go.

    But I know from my experience from spring 2003 to early
    2005, when I was on just lithium and no olanzapine,
    that when I am in the low years my academic performance
    is better while I am on olanzapine, so if I don't
    come out of the low years in the next little while
    I will resume the olanzapine just before the term starts.
    (Or even sooner, since I need to study some group
    theory and statistics before the term starts.)

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sat Aug 29 00:43:39 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-4B45B8.22525028082015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    So far today I have been feeling slightly looser but was also
    slightly more anxious for a while but that anxiety has faded.
    But my ability to concentrate is slightly reduced. I should
    note that one other thing I need to do to stay stable, in
    addition to not drinking 1--9 days before full moon or
    smoking marijuana, is to avoid doing perineum click divination
    or if I do do it, to not believe it. I am bipolar and don't
    have voices but perineum click divination has led me into
    delusion several times in the past.

    Actually my ability to concentrate on the computer seems
    fine tonight.

    But tomorrow night I won't drink if there are any negative
    symptoms, and if I do drink I won't drink as much as
    I normally would on a Saturday night outside the period
    of 1--9 days before full moon.

    Also note that full moon to last quarter is a period when I
    have never had significant episodes. My worst mixed/psychotic
    episodes have come during waxing gibbous moon, in early 1995
    I had milder mixed/psychotic episodes during early waxing
    moon, and my hypomanias and mania have all come during waning
    crescent moon in 1991 to 1994. So the next week is a window
    in which I should be able to safely be on a lower medication
    regimen. I will see my psychiatrist on September 8 but that
    is just before university starts and I expect to resume my
    usual medication regimen by then if I don't come out of the
    low years into a period of sustained productive creativity by then.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 29 01:41:32 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    From Sunday afternoon to Tuesday evening I will probably be
    away from the Internet so don't worry if you don't see any
    posts from me then.

    Right now I feel quite steady.

    good night,

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Fri Aug 28 22:52:50 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-44CBC4.16062928082015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    In article <dalton-5B0B19.03245028082015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    I've decided that while medication is making my low years easier,
    it may also be blocking me from coming out of the low years.
    So beginning tonight I reduced my divalproex sodium from 1250 mg
    to 1000 mg and am not taking my 10 mg olanzapine. I will repeat
    that tomorrow (Friday) night and hope for positive effects at
    Saturday's super full moon. I may or may not continue the
    reduction into waning moon. If I have negative effects I will
    wait a while before resuming the olanzapine since it could be
    withdrawal effects, but I probably would resume the olanzapine
    before my Ph.D. resumes on Sept. 9 if I don't have positive
    effects by then. (Based on my past experiences the most likely
    time for me to have psychosis is during waxing moon,
    particularly waxing gibbous moon, and full moon is a time of
    release for me; also I don't drink 1--9 days before full moon,
    but change water to wine at full moon.)

    In the past I have been on just lithium and no olanzapine and
    had only minor problems as long as I avoid drinking 1--9 days
    before full moon. As a bipolar my main drug is the mood
    stabilizer divalproex sodium and olanzapine is just a topup
    drug, and I have stopped it in the past without experiencing
    significant withdrawal effects. I think SSRIs are worse for
    withdrawal effects and I am not on one of those. But if I do
    experience significant negative effects I will go back on the
    olanzapine right away. So far I had a little insomnia on
    trying to get to sleep last night but once I did I got eight
    hours of sleep. Also I will meet with my psychiatrist on
    Sept. 8. I will report back here on how the next few days go.

    But I know from my experience from spring 2003 to early
    2005, when I was on just lithium and no olanzapine,
    that when I am in the low years my academic performance
    is better while I am on olanzapine, so if I don't
    come out of the low years in the next little while
    I will resume the olanzapine just before the term starts.
    (Or even sooner, since I need to study some group
    theory and statistics before the term starts.)

    So far today I have been feeling slightly looser but was also
    slightly more anxious for a while but that anxiety has faded.
    But my ability to concentrate is slightly reduced. I should
    note that one other thing I need to do to stay stable, in
    addition to not drinking 1--9 days before full moon or
    smoking marijuana, is to avoid doing perineum click divination
    or if I do do it, to not believe it. I am bipolar and don't
    have voices but perineum click divination has led me into
    delusion several times in the past.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sat Aug 29 21:45:41 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-927A96.01413229082015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    From Sunday afternoon to Tuesday evening I will probably be
    away from the Internet so don't worry if you don't see any
    posts from me then.

    My house sitting has been delayed until Monday so I will
    be here Sunday night after all.

    Right now I feel quite steady.

    And today I feel quite steady so far as well.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 29 19:17:11 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    same symptom

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 31 01:23:51 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    So far I'm still pretty steady except my reading concentration
    is slightly impaired, so that I have more of a tendency to skip
    over material than I would on the olanzapine. So while I will
    stay off olanzapine for a few more days, if I don't come out of
    the low years into a period of sustained productive creativity
    by the time the university term starts on Sept. 9, I will resume
    the olanzapine then, or else my academic performance may suffer.

    There is no sign of insomnia or anxiety yet, and I've not
    been thinking about the four components. But as I have
    noted before, I have never had a significant episode begin
    during the first half of waning moon.

    I'll be away from the Internet from lunchtime Monday to
    Wednesday evening, and may or may not check in again
    tomorrow (Monday) late morning before I leave.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 29 19:23:06 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    you were about to invite me to my place

    "David Dalton" wrote in message news:dalton-5B0B19.03245028082015@news.eternal-september.org...

    I've decided that while medication is making my low years easier,
    it may also be blocking me from coming out of the low years.
    So beginning tonight I reduced my divalproex sodium from 1250 mg
    to 1000 mg and am not taking my 10 mg olanzapine. I will repeat
    that tomorrow (Friday) night and hope for positive effects at
    Saturday's super full moon. I may or may not continue the
    reduction into waning moon. If I have negative effects I will
    wait a while before resuming the olanzapine since it could be
    withdrawal effects, but I probably would resume the olanzapine
    before my Ph.D. resumes on Sept. 9 if I don't have positive
    effects by then. (Based on my past experiences the most likely
    time for me to have psychosis is during waxing moon,
    particularly waxing gibbous moon, and full moon is a time of
    release for me; also I don't drink 1--9 days before full moon,
    but change water to wine at full moon.)

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From %@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sun Aug 30 21:17:58 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    David Dalton wrote:
    So far I'm still pretty steady except my reading concentration
    is slightly impaired, so that I have more of a tendency to skip
    over material than I would on the olanzapine. So while I will
    stay off olanzapine for a few more days, if I don't come out of
    the low years into a period of sustained productive creativity
    by the time the university term starts on Sept. 9, I will resume
    the olanzapine then, or else my academic performance may suffer.

    There is no sign of insomnia or anxiety yet, and I've not
    been thinking about the four components. But as I have
    noted before, I have never had a significant episode begin
    during the first half of waning moon.

    I'll be away from the Internet from lunchtime Monday to
    Wednesday evening, and may or may not check in again
    tomorrow (Monday) late morning before I leave.

    but are you still looney

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 31 01:45:50 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <8nt9pv.2od.17.1@news.alt.net>, "%" <persent@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    David Dalton wrote:
    So far I'm still pretty steady except my reading concentration
    is slightly impaired, so that I have more of a tendency to skip
    over material than I would on the olanzapine. So while I will
    stay off olanzapine for a few more days, if I don't come out of
    the low years into a period of sustained productive creativity
    by the time the university term starts on Sept. 9, I will resume
    the olanzapine then, or else my academic performance may suffer.

    There is no sign of insomnia or anxiety yet, and I've not
    been thinking about the four components. But as I have
    noted before, I have never had a significant episode begin
    during the first half of waning moon.

    I'll be away from the Internet from lunchtime Monday to
    Wednesday evening, and may or may not check in again
    tomorrow (Monday) late morning before I leave.

    but are you still looney

    Ha, I haven't been spending much time on my magickal
    workings, the four components. But I still stand
    my my comparisons of myself to past figures.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 31 18:05:09 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    White Widow

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Thu Sep 3 00:44:20 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-F72524.01235031082015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    So far I'm still pretty steady except my reading concentration
    is slightly impaired, so that I have more of a tendency to skip
    over material than I would on the olanzapine. So while I will
    stay off olanzapine for a few more days, if I don't come out of
    the low years into a period of sustained productive creativity
    by the time the university term starts on Sept. 9, I will resume
    the olanzapine then, or else my academic performance may suffer.

    There is no sign of insomnia or anxiety yet, and I've not
    been thinking about the four components. But as I have
    noted before, I have never had a significant episode begin
    during the first half of waning moon.

    I'm still reasonably steady and not slipping into delusional
    tendencies. But my concentration is still slightly impaired
    and I am procrastinating a bit and pacing a bit, and am
    slightly anxious/stressed about the upcoming return to
    university after almost eleven years away. Also last night
    I had some insomnia on trying to get to sleep. So as of
    tonight I went back to 1250 mg/night of divalproex sodium.
    However I plan to stay off the olanzapine for another few
    days but will probably resume it on Monday night and will
    meet with my psychiatrist late Tuesday morning and will
    report to him on my experiences off olanzapine for a week
    and a half. So far I seem to be doing better on just
    divalproex sodium (brand names Epival and Depakote) than
    I was on just lithium from spring 2003 to early 2005.
    But I think my academic performance may still be
    improved by the addition of some olanzapine. Also
    I haven't (and don't plan to yet, now is not a good
    time) gone through any of waxing moon off olanzapine.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 7 06:16:45 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    fuck

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  • From %@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sun Sep 6 20:56:18 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    David Dalton wrote:
    In article <dalton-C4F64E.00442003092015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    In article <dalton-F72524.01235031082015@news.eternal-september.org>,

    I'm still reasonably steady and not slipping into delusional
    tendencies. But my concentration is still slightly impaired
    and I am procrastinating a bit and pacing a bit, and am
    slightly anxious/stressed about the upcoming return to
    university after almost eleven years away. Also last night
    I had some insomnia on trying to get to sleep. So as of
    tonight I went back to 1250 mg/night of divalproex sodium.
    However I plan to stay off the olanzapine for another few
    days but will probably resume it on Monday night and will
    meet with my psychiatrist late Tuesday morning and will
    report to him on my experiences off olanzapine for a week
    and a half. So far I seem to be doing better on just
    divalproex sodium (brand names Epival and Depakote) than
    I was on just lithium from spring 2003 to early 2005.
    But I think my academic performance may still be
    improved by the addition of some olanzapine. Also
    I haven't (and don't plan to yet, now is not a good
    time) gone through any of waxing moon off olanzapine.

    I'm still pretty steady but have minor negative effects of
    slightly decreased concentration, slight anxiety, and
    procrastination. But two close friends whose opinion I respect
    said to me last night that these minor negative effects might
    be withdrawal effects and might go away if I stay off
    olanzapine for another couple of weeks. But if not they might
    significantly impair my ability to do the Ph.D. (if I wasn't
    doing the Ph.D. I would stay off the olanzapine). So tomorrow
    I will test my concentration with some mathematical reading
    and if my concentration is indeed significantly impaired I
    will resume taking the olanzapine tomorrow night. I will
    report back here again tomorrow night and will report to my
    psychiatrist late Tuesday morning, and will discuss possible
    withdrawal effects with him then.

    that's how life is

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 7 19:38:51 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    than I would watch

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 7 20:19:44 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    don't talk to her

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Tue Sep 8 16:43:09 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-7E4A5D.23505706092015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    I'm still pretty steady but have minor negative effects of
    slightly decreased concentration, slight anxiety, and
    procrastination. But two close friends whose opinion I respect
    said to me last night that these minor negative effects might
    be withdrawal effects and might go away if I stay off
    olanzapine for another couple of weeks. But if not they might
    significantly impair my ability to do the Ph.D. (if I wasn't
    doing the Ph.D. I would stay off the olanzapine). So tomorrow
    I will test my concentration with some mathematical reading
    and if my concentration is indeed significantly impaired I
    will resume taking the olanzapine tomorrow night. I will
    report back here again tomorrow night and will report to my
    psychiatrist late Tuesday morning, and will discuss possible
    withdrawal effects with him then.

    I resumed taking the olanzapine last night and within an hour
    it caused drowsiness, plus it made it more difficult to get up
    this morning. But my slight anxiety has not gone away
    completely yet. I met with my psychiatrist early this
    afternoon and he thought it was a good thing that I have gone
    back on it since with my history he thinks I need it, and
    also negative effects of coming off it might not show up for
    a few weeks. Also he basically said he doesn't believe in
    withdrawal symptoms, and he said if we do reduce the
    olanzapine in the future he would reduce it only by 2.5 mg
    at a time. Also we agreed that even minor negative cognitive
    effects might adversely affect my Ph.D. studies. But he got
    me to make the next appointment for six weeks from today, so
    he obviously thinks I am doing OK, or he would have made it sooner.

    I think the olanzapine is numbing me a bit though.

    Also if the olanzapine is blocking me from coming out of
    the low years into a period of sustained productive
    creativity (including scientific creativity), I might now
    have to wait a few more years before coming out of the low years.

    I probably should have suggested that I stay off the
    olanzapine on a regular basis but keep a supply on
    hand to take if needed, as I used to do with haloperidol.
    I guess I will mention that option to my psychiatrist
    on October 20.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sun Sep 6 23:50:58 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-C4F64E.00442003092015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    In article <dalton-F72524.01235031082015@news.eternal-september.org>,

    I'm still reasonably steady and not slipping into delusional
    tendencies. But my concentration is still slightly impaired
    and I am procrastinating a bit and pacing a bit, and am
    slightly anxious/stressed about the upcoming return to
    university after almost eleven years away. Also last night
    I had some insomnia on trying to get to sleep. So as of
    tonight I went back to 1250 mg/night of divalproex sodium.
    However I plan to stay off the olanzapine for another few
    days but will probably resume it on Monday night and will
    meet with my psychiatrist late Tuesday morning and will
    report to him on my experiences off olanzapine for a week
    and a half. So far I seem to be doing better on just
    divalproex sodium (brand names Epival and Depakote) than
    I was on just lithium from spring 2003 to early 2005.
    But I think my academic performance may still be
    improved by the addition of some olanzapine. Also
    I haven't (and don't plan to yet, now is not a good
    time) gone through any of waxing moon off olanzapine.

    I'm still pretty steady but have minor negative effects of
    slightly decreased concentration, slight anxiety, and
    procrastination. But two close friends whose opinion I respect
    said to me last night that these minor negative effects might
    be withdrawal effects and might go away if I stay off
    olanzapine for another couple of weeks. But if not they might
    significantly impair my ability to do the Ph.D. (if I wasn't
    doing the Ph.D. I would stay off the olanzapine). So tomorrow
    I will test my concentration with some mathematical reading
    and if my concentration is indeed significantly impaired I
    will resume taking the olanzapine tomorrow night. I will
    report back here again tomorrow night and will report to my
    psychiatrist late Tuesday morning, and will discuss possible
    withdrawal effects with him then.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 11 06:28:57 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    from now on my nose is a maggot

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Fri Sep 11 00:42:24 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    In article <dalton-5788B2.16430908092015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    I resumed taking the olanzapine last night and within an hour
    it caused drowsiness, plus it made it more difficult to get up
    this morning. But my slight anxiety has not gone away
    completely yet. I met with my psychiatrist early this
    afternoon and he thought it was a good thing that I have gone
    back on it since with my history he thinks I need it, and
    also negative effects of coming off it might not show up for
    a few weeks. Also he basically said he doesn't believe in
    withdrawal symptoms, and he said if we do reduce the
    olanzapine in the future he would reduce it only by 2.5 mg
    at a time. Also we agreed that even minor negative cognitive
    effects might adversely affect my Ph.D. studies. But he got
    me to make the next appointment for six weeks from today, so
    he obviously thinks I am doing OK, or he would have made it sooner.

    I think the olanzapine is numbing me a bit though.

    Also if the olanzapine is blocking me from coming out of
    the low years into a period of sustained productive
    creativity (including scientific creativity), I might now
    have to wait a few more years before coming out of the low years.

    I probably should have suggested that I stay off the
    olanzapine on a regular basis but keep a supply on
    hand to take if needed, as I used to do with haloperidol.
    I guess I will mention that option to my psychiatrist
    on October 20.

    Today I met with a neurologist about a problem with my tongue, lips, and
    jaw that is probably tardive oromandibular dystonia caused by
    antipsychotic use. It began in fall 2003 about six months after a four
    year period of olanzapine use but when I was using low doses of
    haloperidol occasionally, during those six months. Also it has gotten
    a little worse in the years of olanzapine use from early 2005 to now and
    I think it may have improved a bit during the recent period when I was
    off olanzapine. But I was unable to demonstrate the problem to the neurologist though I did simulate what occurs. She said there are
    three treatment options: (1) botox, and we agreed it isn't bad enough
    for that, (2) cogentin, and I am reluctant to add a third medication,
    (3) get my psychiatrist to taper me off the olanzapine and see if the
    problem improves, and he will probably be reluctant to do that, but I
    will discuss it with him on October 20 (I will also argue that I should
    do OK by not drinking 1--9 days before full moon, by abstaining from
    perineum click divination, and by keeping a supply of olanzapine on hand
    to take only if I have warning signs, which I used to do with
    haloperidol to good effect). Also he is concerned about my history but
    I haven't had a serious psychosis since mid-July, 1997 despite being off olanzapine from then to May, 1999 and from spring, 2003 to early 2005
    and during my recent 11 day period off cold turkey. (I stopped drinking
    1--9 days before full moon after the July, 1997 waxing gibbous moon mixed/psychotic episode, based on 8 such episodes from 1992 to 1997.)
    I did have some delusional thinking during the long periods off
    olanzapine after mid-July, 1997 but that was due to blindly believing
    perineum click divination, which I no longer do (believe). This
    should be my last post in this thread unless someone has a question.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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  • From David@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Fri Sep 11 09:58:06 2015
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.depression.manic, alt.support.bipolar-disorder
    XPost: alt.support.schizoaffective

    I've come off it.


    "David Dalton" wrote in message news:dalton-D87DE9.00422411092015@news.eternal-september.org...

    In article <dalton-5788B2.16430908092015@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    I resumed taking the olanzapine last night and within an hour
    it caused drowsiness, plus it made it more difficult to get up
    this morning. But my slight anxiety has not gone away
    completely yet. I met with my psychiatrist early this
    afternoon and he thought it was a good thing that I have gone
    back on it since with my history he thinks I need it, and
    also negative effects of coming off it might not show up for
    a few weeks. Also he basically said he doesn't believe in
    withdrawal symptoms, and he said if we do reduce the
    olanzapine in the future he would reduce it only by 2.5 mg
    at a time. Also we agreed that even minor negative cognitive
    effects might adversely affect my Ph.D. studies. But he got
    me to make the next appointment for six weeks from today, so
    he obviously thinks I am doing OK, or he would have made it sooner.

    I think the olanzapine is numbing me a bit though.

    Also if the olanzapine is blocking me from coming out of
    the low years into a period of sustained productive
    creativity (including scientific creativity), I might now
    have to wait a few more years before coming out of the low years.

    I probably should have suggested that I stay off the
    olanzapine on a regular basis but keep a supply on
    hand to take if needed, as I used to do with haloperidol.
    I guess I will mention that option to my psychiatrist
    on October 20.

    Today I met with a neurologist about a problem with my tongue, lips, and
    jaw that is probably tardive oromandibular dystonia caused by
    antipsychotic use. It began in fall 2003 about six months after a four
    year period of olanzapine use but when I was using low doses of
    haloperidol occasionally, during those six months. Also it has gotten
    a little worse in the years of olanzapine use from early 2005 to now and
    I think it may have improved a bit during the recent period when I was
    off olanzapine. But I was unable to demonstrate the problem to the neurologist though I did simulate what occurs. She said there are
    three treatment options: (1) botox, and we agreed it isn't bad enough
    for that, (2) cogentin, and I am reluctant to add a third medication,
    (3) get my psychiatrist to taper me off the olanzapine and see if the
    problem improves, and he will probably be reluctant to do that, but I
    will discuss it with him on October 20 (I will also argue that I should
    do OK by not drinking 1--9 days before full moon, by abstaining from
    perineum click divination, and by keeping a supply of olanzapine on hand
    to take only if I have warning signs, which I used to do with
    haloperidol to good effect). Also he is concerned about my history but
    I haven't had a serious psychosis since mid-July, 1997 despite being off olanzapine from then to May, 1999 and from spring, 2003 to early 2005
    and during my recent 11 day period off cold turkey. (I stopped drinking
    1--9 days before full moon after the July, 1997 waxing gibbous moon mixed/psychotic episode, based on 8 such episodes from 1992 to 1997.)
    I did have some delusional thinking during the long periods off
    olanzapine after mid-July, 1997 but that was due to blindly believing
    perineum click divination, which I no longer do (believe). This
    should be my last post in this thread unless someone has a question.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "Peaches in the summertime, apples in the fall
    If I canąt have you all the time, I wonąt have none at all" (trad)

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