• The golden age is now passed?

    From Brian G@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 19 10:23:18 2016
    Do you all think that the golden age of the internet and people writing candidly and creating stories of their fantasies and real life events has
    now gone? Back in the 1990s and very early 200s, it seemed that the Usenet
    area was a place one could be yourself in a sexual sense. More recently
    though, we seem to have realised that everybody and their friends are
    watching and so the tendency for this sort ff thing to be done has reduced
    and gone underground to a certain degree.
    I had hoped that the liberation of those times might have educated everyone that no matter how weird the fantasy, that most people were not axe
    murderers, and employers and family would just see it as a natural extension
    of ones recreation with consenting adults, but it seems to me that this has
    not happened. At every turn it seems that the don't do as we do, do as we
    say merchants want to control it all, so that although Amazon sells bondage equipment, its all a bit like the version of an old ranch one gets as
    tourist attractions. Dude like not real or anything like it.
    I just wonder if those growing up today can still be brave and say, yes,
    I'm turned on by this or that any more and expect to be employed or taken seriously and not put on some sex pervert register by people who are
    probably more perverted than those actually on it.
    Certainly predatory sex addicts should quite rightly be exposed and some attempt be made to sort them out, but I feel that at this time anyway, we
    have lost the baton to the rich and powerful once again and are being repressed.
    Brian

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    Mildew_spores@blueyonder.co.uk is the alter ego of
    Brian G.
    Please note I am not a sexual predator or an axe murderer,
    and despite some of the fantasies I may write,
    I am only interested in consensual activities
    and role playing, so please no insults,
    as they will be ignored!:-)

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Brian G on Tue Sep 20 07:57:00 2016
    "Brian G" <mildew_spores@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:nroapv$5fo$1@dont-email.me...
    Do you all think that the golden age of the internet and people writing candidly and creating stories of their fantasies and real life events has
    now gone? Back in the 1990s and very early 200s, it seemed that the Usenet area was a place one could be yourself in a sexual sense. More recently though, we seem to have realised that everybody and their friends are watching and so the tendency for this sort ff thing to be done has reduced and gone underground to a certain degree.
    I had hoped that the liberation of those times might have educated
    everyone that no matter how weird the fantasy, that most people were not
    axe murderers, and employers and family would just see it as a natural extension of ones recreation with consenting adults, but it seems to me
    that this has not happened. At every turn it seems that the don't do as we do, do as we say merchants want to control it all, so that although Amazon sells bondage equipment, its all a bit like the version of an old ranch
    one gets as tourist attractions. Dude like not real or anything like it.
    I just wonder if those growing up today can still be brave and say, yes,
    I'm turned on by this or that any more and expect to be employed or taken seriously and not put on some sex pervert register by people who are
    probably more perverted than those actually on it.
    Certainly predatory sex addicts should quite rightly be exposed and some attempt be made to sort them out, but I feel that at this time anyway, we have lost the baton to the rich and powerful once again and are being repressed.
    Brian

    I do not think there is less "liberation" now.
    I think that sadly, the two of us have not moved
    on to the currently popular technology.

    Kind'a like the persons that bought a bunch of
    Beta tapes for watching recorded movies and TV
    shows, then everyone gave up on that and went to
    VHS. Then everyone abandoned VHS also.

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  • From Brian G@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 21 08:57:38 2016
    Not really, the difference in my view is that the usenet groups are still pretty robust and hard to controll as long as there are people willing to
    run them, instead we have web sites with this stuff on it, all controlled, ultimately by those big fat cats who own the major server farms and hence
    have the ability to pull plugs at the drop of a hat. Add to that the
    lessening ability d to be private with isps all spying on everyone for
    mainly commercial reasons, but increasingly as part of the establishment and many peopl feel that they cannot be relaxed any more.
    Brian

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    Mildew_spores@blueyonder.co.uk is the alter ego of
    Brian G.
    Please note I am not a sexual predator or an axe murderer,
    and despite some of the fantasies I may write,
    I am only interested in consensual activities
    and role playing, so please no insults,
    as they will be ignored!:-)
    "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nrriuh127ab@news3.newsguy.com...
    "Brian G" <mildew_spores@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:nroapv$5fo$1@dont-email.me...
    Do you all think that the golden age of the internet and people writing
    candidly and creating stories of their fantasies and real life events has
    now gone? Back in the 1990s and very early 200s, it seemed that the
    Usenet area was a place one could be yourself in a sexual sense. More
    recently though, we seem to have realised that everybody and their
    friends are watching and so the tendency for this sort ff thing to be
    done has reduced and gone underground to a certain degree.
    I had hoped that the liberation of those times might have educated
    everyone that no matter how weird the fantasy, that most people were not
    axe murderers, and employers and family would just see it as a natural
    extension of ones recreation with consenting adults, but it seems to me
    that this has not happened. At every turn it seems that the don't do as
    we do, do as we say merchants want to control it all, so that although
    Amazon sells bondage equipment, its all a bit like the version of an old
    ranch one gets as tourist attractions. Dude like not real or anything
    like it.
    I just wonder if those growing up today can still be brave and say, yes,
    I'm turned on by this or that any more and expect to be employed or taken
    seriously and not put on some sex pervert register by people who are
    probably more perverted than those actually on it.
    Certainly predatory sex addicts should quite rightly be exposed and some
    attempt be made to sort them out, but I feel that at this time anyway,
    we have lost the baton to the rich and powerful once again and are being
    repressed.
    Brian

    I do not think there is less "liberation" now.
    I think that sadly, the two of us have not moved
    on to the currently popular technology.

    Kind'a like the persons that bought a bunch of
    Beta tapes for watching recorded movies and TV
    shows, then everyone gave up on that and went to
    VHS. Then everyone abandoned VHS also.

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  • From Brian G@21:1/5 to Tom Allen on Thu Sep 29 08:27:20 2016
    That is because the estabilishment employers and almost everyone is now able
    to look at all sites. In the old days we tended to be able to use annon
    servers etc, buut to hide who you really are now is much harder, amainly
    due to the mainstream use of the internet by crooks.
    The fact has always been for me that the use of rich content on web forums
    no common interface and the hard to navigate by keyboard nature of forums
    for us blindies means I'm basically locked out.
    Its a much harder thing to do than just read and write text.
    Brian

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    Mildew_spores@blueyonder.co.uk is the alter ego of
    Brian G.
    Please note I am not a sexual predator or an axe murderer,
    and despite some of the fantasies I may write,
    I am only interested in consensual activities
    and role playing, so please no insults,
    as they will be ignored!:-)
    "Tom Allen" <taomlin@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nsh514$g99$1@dont-email.me...
    a425couple wrote:

    I do not think there is less "liberation" now.
    I think that sadly, the two of us have not moved
    on to the currently popular technology.

    I blame cheap broadband.

    No, really. Usenet was a great text environment (anybody remember ASCI art
    or even the dozens of little code blocks on your sig lines?), but the introduction of inexpensive broadband made it possible for everybody to
    get into web forums, with their flashy graphics, MIDI files, etc. People migrated over to small forums, which became big forums, blogs, and
    eventually Facebook, Fetlife, and the other places.

    Hell, many ISPs don't even bother carrying Usenet access anymore.

    I check in once every few months just to see if anybody I knew from years
    ago is still around. I used to hang out mainly in soc.sexuality.general,
    but I lurked here for many years.

    Some groups survive, but most of the sexuality discussions have moved elsewhere. The thing is, even though kinksters generally aren't axe murderers, the way web groups are archived, it's still risky for people to admit it because employers, family, neighbors, or whoever may stumble
    across it. It hasn't freed anyone up as much as we once hoped.



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    Tom Allen

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  • From Tom Allen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 28 15:18:16 2016
    a425couple wrote:

    I do not think there is less "liberation" now.
    I think that sadly, the two of us have not moved
    on to the currently popular technology.

    I blame cheap broadband.

    No, really. Usenet was a great text environment (anybody remember ASCI
    art or even the dozens of little code blocks on your sig lines?), but
    the introduction of inexpensive broadband made it possible for everybody
    to get into web forums, with their flashy graphics, MIDI files, etc.
    People migrated over to small forums, which became big forums, blogs,
    and eventually Facebook, Fetlife, and the other places.

    Hell, many ISPs don't even bother carrying Usenet access anymore.

    I check in once every few months just to see if anybody I knew from
    years ago is still around. I used to hang out mainly in
    soc.sexuality.general, but I lurked here for many years.

    Some groups survive, but most of the sexuality discussions have moved elsewhere. The thing is, even though kinksters generally aren't axe
    murderers, the way web groups are archived, it's still risky for people
    to admit it because employers, family, neighbors, or whoever may stumble
    across it. It hasn't freed anyone up as much as we once hoped.



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    Tom Allen

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  • From Tom Allen@21:1/5 to Brian G on Thu Sep 29 10:56:16 2016
    Brian G wrote:
    That is because the estabilishment employers and almost everyone is now able to look at all sites. In the old days we tended to be able to use annon servers etc, buut to hide who you really are now is much harder, amainly
    due to the mainstream use of the internet by crooks.
    The fact has always been for me that the use of rich content on web forums no common interface and the hard to navigate by keyboard nature of forums
    for us blindies means I'm basically locked out.
    Its a much harder thing to do than just read and write text.
    Brian



    Brian, I remember you've been around here for ages, and some of your
    issues trying to get test readers for newer web forums. I can even
    imagine what it's like with sites like Facebook or Fetlife, which have
    sidebars on either side of the main text - which itself contains
    graphics, links, and other weird stuff.

    I recently ran into some younger guys (well, younger than me) who
    remember Usenet, and who would like to see more simple, or simply
    designed forums. A lot of them are on Reddit.com right now (which, as a
    forum, is the closest thing to Usenet that I've seen). And I haven't
    been to Stackexchange in years, but I don't remember that being a big
    social hangout.

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    Tom Allen

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