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    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 16:33:41 2023
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    Are a Quarter of Young Americans Actually LGBTQ (etc.)? Don’t Bet on It

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    Last month, in an NRO column jocularly titled “We Need a Return of the Jocks,” I mentioned that around 20 percent of young Americans now
    identify as gay — or, more specifically, as members of the “increasingly broad and alphabetically lengthening LGBTQIA etc. community.”
    Apparently, I spoke too soon and underestimated this figure. According
    to new data reported in The Hill, the actual percentage of LGBT young
    Americans is closer to 25–26 percent. For rather obvious reasons, this
    is worth discussing.

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    First, let’s review the numbers themselves. According to figures
    originally sourced from the Orwellian-sounding Youth Risk Behavior
    Surveillance System (YRBSS) administered by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 75 percent or so of American high-school
    students now identify as heterosexual. Roughly 3 percent — combined — ID
    as gay and lesbian, while 12.2 percent identify as bisexual, 5.2 percent
    as “questioning,” and 3.9 percent as “other” (trans, nonbinary, etc. would presumably fall here). In what may be a measure of reading
    comprehension rather than sexual openness, fully 1.8 percent of
    responding young scholars said that they could not understand the
    question. Overall, “the number of LGBTQ students went from 11% in 2015
    to 26% in 2021.”

    Several things are notable here. Obviously, there is simply no genetic
    or biological explanation for a surge like this one. The percentage of
    Baby Boomers who identify as LGBT is 2.7 percent, and the main change in
    the “stock” of the United States since the 1960s and 1970s has been large-scale in-migration of Latinos from some of the world’s more conservative Catholic societies.

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    Popular “culturalist” explanations like “increased social tolerance for gays” or “more exposure to pornography” also basically fail. It seems wildly unlikely that either of those variables has shifted upward by 240 percent since 2015 (not 1966) alongside the growth of the non-straight population. Further, and importantly, mass rates of LGBT identification
    seem confined almost entirely to young folx — while one would expect a
    simple response to greater tolerance to involve citizens of every age.

    One clue about what’s going on here is provided by the fact that a lot
    of today’s “queer youth” don’t seem to be very gay in practice. As noted
    above, only 3.2 percent of today’s young people say they are primarily same-sex attracted — a figure very much on par with many recorded in the past. That group is outnumbered about four to one by the self-declared bisexuals. For that matter, a surprisingly large chunk of today’s
    heavily female cohort of “bisexuals” seems to be spaghetti-straight in practice. According to data from the Center for the Study of
    Partisanship and Ideology, 55 percent of self-declared bisexual women
    under age 30 have had only heterosexual sex (if sometimes quite a lot of
    it) in the recent past.

    This 55 percent figure represents a 412 percent increase in — if you
    will — bisexual heterosexuality since just 2010, when the “men only” figure recorded for the identical cohort of women was only 13.3 percent. Further complicating this picture is the fact that sexually active
    people of any kind are rapidly becoming a minority among the young.
    According to the 2021 YRBSS report, the percentage of American
    high-school students who have ever had sex fell from almost 60 percent
    in 1991 to 30 percent in 2021.

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    The percentage who are regularly sexually active is now 21 percent.
    Likely, many high-school and college students describing themselves with
    terms like “gleefully poly-queer” have never even French-kissed anyone,
    of any sex. Indeed, entire fairly popular modern identities — “asexual,” “demisexual” — are based around the theme of never or rarely having sex.

    So, what are we to make of all this? Responding to a viral Twitter drop
    of the CPSI data by the popular social-media account the Rabbit Hole
    (which focuses on statistics), Andrew Sullivan, the well-known gay
    columnist, gave one logical answer: “The most plausible explanation is
    that everyone wants to be ‘LGBTQ+’ now — so why not lie and be cool?
    Only problem is that this makes the ‘LGBTQ+’ community majority straight.” Sullivan was blunt and even a little harsh, but his point is clear. If we all set politics aside and simply look at the data, it
    seems empirically obvious that the best explanation for today’s patterns
    of sexual identification is what my fellow big-domes often call social contagion.

    Not only is there already significant evidence of contagion (“rapid
    onset gender dysphoria,” etc.) occurring specifically within the context
    of “gender” and sexual identity, this is obviously also something our society and others witnessed during the growth of the great youth
    “scenes” such as goth and rave, the spread of negative social trends
    like anorexia, and even the post-1960s popularization and acceptance of
    teen sex itself. I’m only partly joking when I say that a 400 percent
    surge in the number of virgins with boyfriends who identify as “totes bisexual” appears to fit some previous patterns to a T.

    And, dead seriously, there is a rather obvious reason why we would be
    seeing this pattern now. In an era when multiple major left-wing
    organizations use the “progressive stack” ranking of victimization to decide which speakers to prioritize, and I myself was able to write a best-selling book about people who seek notoriety by faking racial
    crimes, large premiums often attach to being considered unique (or
    different) and even “oppressed.” At such a moment, it isn’t hard to see why students and other young people, when given the option to move away
    from mundane middle-class white status and identify as something à la
    “enby x ace” (look it up), often do so. (In the U.S. and U.K., the demographics of atypical gender and sexual orientation seem to perfectly
    match this scenario. For example, in a recent study of young people who identified as transgender, nonbinary, gender queer, etc., 34 of 36
    respondents were white, 80 percent were female, and almost all seem to
    have been middle-class.) The rapid spread of “Gender Unicorn”–style public-school lessons detailing the full range of possible sexual
    orientations and “genders” has likely not slowed this trend down.

    What’s a parent to do about these trends? At the most basic and surface
    level of analysis, not much. There’s nothing wildly wrong with being
    bisexual (demisexual might well be the dream of fathers of girls), and a
    huge number of the kids claiming these edgy-sounding identities aren’t actually saying much — the percentage of people who truly are
    preferentially gay likely hasn’t changed at all. Speaking as a cynic,
    I’d say probably the worst way to prevent your teenage daughter or son
    from participating in a trend you aren’t thrilled about is to get
    hysterical enough about it to make it seem rebelliously cool.

    At a deeper level, two tips do come to mind. First — and this applies
    more in the context of gender than of sexuality but is important — it is
    a hellaciously bad idea to let any minor child make permanent physical
    changes to his or her body on the basis of an identity that,
    statistically, the kid will very likely not hold in ten years. Second,
    there is a lot to be said for normalizing normalcy inside your home.
    Tell your kids that you’ll love them in any case, but also that
    postmodern ideas are almost invariably bullsh**, and that — as I said in
    my column mentioned above — there’s nothing wrong with being a boring, well-adjusted, middle-class kid from [insert name of boring city here].

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  • From Brian G@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Fri Jun 16 10:58:48 2023
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    No of course not, but I would suspect a lot of girls have had sexual infatuations with other girls. Maybe men have experimented with other men. Myself I am just turned off by that latter thought, but have no problem
    with people who are that way. I think sexuality is much like many things in life, a continuum. I am known to be on the autistic spectrum, but this is so wide it only affects me in crowds etc, and I like things I'm doing to be planned in advanced, so surprise parties etc.
    I suspect its much like that with sexual things as well. After all we all
    like or hate different foods but try things and see what they are like.
    I mean somebody outrageously suggested that most women footballers were Lesbians and go a lot of abuse over that generalisation. Proportions in life
    of sexual orientation cannot simply be stated like that. There are quite a
    few Women who are electricians and plumbers, does this mean they are all
    gay? There are a lot of gay and ac/dc folk in show business, I would
    suggest, and I really do not see why, or maybe its just the ones I've met.
    So this is pointless argument because it should not matter in any way,
    unless the people in question come on to you, which most don't and hence I treat them just like anyone else. I do hope those who know about my BDSM interests will treat me likewise. With people who are broad minded I do say things like, I cannot make Wednesday, I'm a bit tied up. and they have a chuckle. It has been a while though, since nobody feels they can play with a blind person these days.
    Brian

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    Are a Quarter of Young Americans Actually LGBTQ (etc.)? Don't Bet on It

    People wave rainbow flags during the 2018 New York City Pride
    Parade(Andrew Kelly/Reuters)
    Share
    535
    By WILFRED REILLY
    May 2, 2023 6:30 AM

    Listen to article
    Why the surge in LGBT identity deserves a closer look
    All Our Opinion in Your Inbox
    NR Daily is delivered right to you every afternoon. No charge.
    Enter your email

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    Last month, in an NRO column jocularly titled "We Need a Return of the Jocks," I mentioned that around 20 percent of young Americans now identify
    as gay - or, more specifically, as members of the "increasingly broad and alphabetically lengthening LGBTQIA etc. community." Apparently, I spoke
    too soon and underestimated this figure. According to new data reported in The Hill, the actual percentage of LGBT young Americans is closer to 25-26 percent. For rather obvious reasons, this is worth discussing.

    TOP STORIES
    White House Bans Trans Influencer for Flashing Breasts at Pride Event: 'Inappropriate and Disrespectful'
    CAROLINE DOWNEY
    Bud Light Dethroned as Top-Selling Beer in U.S.: 'Our Year Is Screwed' CAROLINE DOWNEY
    California Is Losing Its Mind
    THE EDITORS

    First, let's review the numbers themselves. According to figures
    originally sourced from the Orwellian-sounding Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (YRBSS) administered by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 75 percent or so of American high-school students now identify as heterosexual. Roughly 3 percent - combined - ID
    as gay and lesbian, while 12.2 percent identify as bisexual, 5.2 percent
    as "questioning," and 3.9 percent as "other" (trans, nonbinary, etc. would presumably fall here). In what may be a measure of reading comprehension rather than sexual openness, fully 1.8 percent of responding young
    scholars said that they could not understand the question. Overall, "the number of LGBTQ students went from 11% in 2015 to 26% in 2021."

    Several things are notable here. Obviously, there is simply no genetic or biological explanation for a surge like this one. The percentage of Baby Boomers who identify as LGBT is 2.7 percent, and the main change in the "stock" of the United States since the 1960s and 1970s has been
    large-scale in-migration of Latinos from some of the world's more conservative Catholic societies.

    More on
    TRANSGENDER

    Bud Light Dethroned as Top-Selling Beer in U.S.: 'Our Year Is Screwed' California Is Losing Its Mind
    Hey, Remember When the Bud Light Boycott Was Supposed to Pass Quickly? Popular "culturalist" explanations like "increased social tolerance for
    gays" or "more exposure to pornography" also basically fail. It seems
    wildly unlikely that either of those variables has shifted upward by 240 percent since 2015 (not 1966) alongside the growth of the non-straight population. Further, and importantly, mass rates of LGBT identification
    seem confined almost entirely to young folx - while one would expect a
    simple response to greater tolerance to involve citizens of every age.

    One clue about what's going on here is provided by the fact that a lot of today's "queer youth" don't seem to be very gay in practice. As noted
    above, only 3.2 percent of today's young people say they are primarily same-sex attracted - a figure very much on par with many recorded in the past. That group is outnumbered about four to one by the self-declared bisexuals. For that matter, a surprisingly large chunk of today's heavily female cohort of "bisexuals" seems to be spaghetti-straight in practice. According to data from the Center for the Study of Partisanship and
    Ideology, 55 percent of self-declared bisexual women under age 30 have had only heterosexual sex (if sometimes quite a lot of it) in the recent past.

    This 55 percent figure represents a 412 percent increase in - if you
    will - bisexual heterosexuality since just 2010, when the "men only"
    figure recorded for the identical cohort of women was only 13.3 percent. Further complicating this picture is the fact that sexually active people
    of any kind are rapidly becoming a minority among the young. According to
    the 2021 YRBSS report, the percentage of American high-school students who have ever had sex fell from almost 60 percent in 1991 to 30 percent in
    2021.

    More from
    WILFRED REILLY

    The Truth about Redlining's History
    The Rank Bigotry of 'Karen'-Shaming
    The Glaring Problem with Biden's White-Supremacy Warning
    The percentage who are regularly sexually active is now 21 percent.
    Likely, many high-school and college students describing themselves with terms like "gleefully poly-queer" have never even French-kissed anyone, of any sex. Indeed, entire fairly popular modern identities - "asexual," "demisexual" - are based around the theme of never or rarely having sex.

    So, what are we to make of all this? Responding to a viral Twitter drop of the CPSI data by the popular social-media account the Rabbit Hole (which focuses on statistics), Andrew Sullivan, the well-known gay columnist,
    gave one logical answer: "The most plausible explanation is that everyone wants to be 'LGBTQ+' now - so why not lie and be cool? Only problem is
    that this makes the 'LGBTQ+' community majority straight." Sullivan was
    blunt and even a little harsh, but his point is clear. If we all set
    politics aside and simply look at the data, it seems empirically obvious
    that the best explanation for today's patterns of sexual identification is what my fellow big-domes often call social contagion.

    Not only is there already significant evidence of contagion ("rapid onset gender dysphoria," etc.) occurring specifically within the context of "gender" and sexual identity, this is obviously also something our society and others witnessed during the growth of the great youth "scenes" such as goth and rave, the spread of negative social trends like anorexia, and
    even the post-1960s popularization and acceptance of teen sex itself. I'm only partly joking when I say that a 400 percent surge in the number of virgins with boyfriends who identify as "totes bisexual" appears to fit
    some previous patterns to a T.

    And, dead seriously, there is a rather obvious reason why we would be
    seeing this pattern now. In an era when multiple major left-wing organizations use the "progressive stack" ranking of victimization to
    decide which speakers to prioritize, and I myself was able to write a best-selling book about people who seek notoriety by faking racial crimes, large premiums often attach to being considered unique (or different) and even "oppressed." At such a moment, it isn't hard to see why students and other young people, when given the option to move away from mundane middle-class white status and identify as something la "enby x ace"
    (look it up), often do so. (In the U.S. and U.K., the demographics of atypical gender and sexual orientation seem to perfectly match this
    scenario. For example, in a recent study of young people who identified as transgender, nonbinary, gender queer, etc., 34 of 36 respondents were
    white, 80 percent were female, and almost all seem to have been middle-class.) The rapid spread of "Gender Unicorn"-style public-school lessons detailing the full range of possible sexual orientations and "genders" has likely not slowed this trend down.

    What's a parent to do about these trends? At the most basic and surface
    level of analysis, not much. There's nothing wildly wrong with being
    bisexual (demisexual might well be the dream of fathers of girls), and a
    huge number of the kids claiming these edgy-sounding identities aren't actually saying much - the percentage of people who truly are
    preferentially gay likely hasn't changed at all. Speaking as a cynic, I'd
    say probably the worst way to prevent your teenage daughter or son from participating in a trend you aren't thrilled about is to get hysterical enough about it to make it seem rebelliously cool.

    At a deeper level, two tips do come to mind. First - and this applies more
    in the context of gender than of sexuality but is important - it is a hellaciously bad idea to let any minor child make permanent physical
    changes to his or her body on the basis of an identity that,
    statistically, the kid will very likely not hold in ten years. Second,
    there is a lot to be said for normalizing normalcy inside your home. Tell your kids that you'll love them in any case, but also that postmodern
    ideas are almost invariably bullsh**, and that - as I said in my column mentioned above - there's nothing wrong with being a boring,
    well-adjusted, middle-class kid from [insert name of boring city here].

    NEXT ARTICLE
    Independent Agencies on Trial
    WILFRED REILLY is an associate professor of political science at Kentucky State University and the author of Taboo: 10 Facts You Can't Talk About.

    535
    COMMENTS
    More inWOKE CULTURE
    Against the Pride Flag
    Toronto Blue Jays Promote, Commit to Starting Minor-League Catcher Who Identifies as Nonbinary
    Anthony Bass Is Baseball's First Martyr to LGBTQ2S+ Orthodoxy
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