• A notice of concern regarding Justin Smith, leader of the Norwegian fam

    From Morten W. Petersen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 6 09:36:07 2019
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    Hi. This is a follow-up to the messages

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    Posted on alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.men.politics, alt.politics, alt.society.mental-health and talk.politics.misc in March, April, May,
    June and October 2019 and alt.society.liberalism, alt.support.depression
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    http://blogologue.com/c

    Posted on the 6th of December, 2019.

    So, this week I got an email from Justin Smith, leader of the family
    welfare office in Mo i Rana. I was disturbed by this email, in addition
    to behaviour he has displayed earlier. Here is that email.

    Subject: A notice of concern regarding Justin Smith, leader of the
    Norwegian family welfare office in Mo i Rana, and the family welware
    offices in general
    To: postmottak@bufdir.no
    Cc: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>,
    Lise Lydersen <lise.lydersen@bufetat.no>,
    Vebjørn Svidal <vebjornsvidal@gmail.com>,
    lillian.naerem@rana.kommune.no,
    rana.tingrett@domstol.no,
    post.trondelag@politiet.no,
    Postmottak Nordland politidistrikt <post.nordland@politiet.no>, sylvakrogh@outlook.com

    Hi.

    I'm concerned regarding Justin Smith, as he displays a behaviour that is unsuitable, with regard to him being a leader that arbitrates in family conflicts, and has the role of overseeing [time parents have with their
    kids], which I have gone to court to get, time with my kids.

    Justin Smith has earlier this year (on the 16th of August), asked for a
    meeting with regards to the supervised time I have with the kids. I said
    yes to this meeting, and a few days later, I added some points which I
    wanted to discuss. I sent a reminder regarding this meeting on the 17th
    of September, and the 4th of October. Wanting to have this meeting was
    also mentioned by me on the 13th of November, in an email about a new
    round of arbitration.

    I think Justin Smith is quite foggy and at times annoying to talk to,
    and that the family welfare office in Mo i Rana and Trondheim, doesn't
    come across in a way one might expect - as a neutral party for the best interest of the kids. Where their best interest is among other things,
    to have [a good relation with their dad].

    It seems for example that he [Justin, in conversations], waits for me to
    say something, and then starts to say something, [to disrupt and/or
    annoy me].

    ..the meeting [that Justin originally wanted] was never arranged, and a
    couple of weeks ago, I called the family welfare office
    (familievernkontoret i Mo i Rana) in Mo, and talked to Justin Smith.
    There I suggested 2 alternatives for having the meeting. One was that
    Bufetat (The Norwegian Directorate for Children, Youth and Family
    Affairs ), paid for the travel expenses, where the meeting could take
    place outside of the periods where I see the kids, the other was a
    meeting over the phone, where I get to loan an office space from the
    family welfare office in Trondheim (familivernkontoret i Trondheim).
    Justin was negative to both of these alternatives. I then suggested a
    third alternative, that I rent an office in Trondheim, and send the bill
    to Bufetat. I did not catch a positive response to this. It is important
    for the meeting to be able to speak openly, without [people that had no
    right to hear confidential information being able to hear it].

    This shows that several alternatives for having a meeting have been
    suggested.

    Justin knows, or should know, that it is an extremely small amount of
    time I get with the kids compared to what I want, that the kids mom
    [Hilde Olsen] only wants to share expenses for the cheapest transport
    [added: about 500km each way on train] and not staying overnight in a
    hotel, and that there has been a long conflict, and still is, between me
    and the kids mom. And that I think it is important to get the most out
    of the time I get with the kids.

    I have previously said that I wanted arbitration about the parental resposibilities, where they live, time with parents etc. to be outside
    of the periods I have time with the kids, to get the most out of these
    times with the kids.

    To then force in a meeting at 09:00, the exact same time as the time
    with my kids starts, is therefore strange, and inconsiderate. It goes
    without saying that this also limits the amount of time I can use on the meeting (talk about things I want/need to discuss), and that it disrupts
    the execution of the time I have with the kids.

    I think it is important to have good health, and for example regularly
    check my blood pressure. The highest blood pressure I've had this year,
    has been very close time-wise, to a visit to see the kids.

    Attached is an email sent to Justin with points I wanted to discuss in
    addition to what Justin wanted to discuss ( http://blogologue.com/justin1_en.txt ) , and an email sent from Justin
    this week, with my answers ( http://blogologue.com/justin2_en.txt ).

    Regards,

    Morten

    Attachment 1: justin1_en.txt:

    Subject: Regarding contact meeting
    To: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    From: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
    Bcc: <post.trondelag@politiet.no>

    Hi Justin.

    I don't have a place to talk that is completely private, so I thought I
    could borrow a room at the family welfare office in Trondheim (familievernskontoret i Trondheim).

    There are a couple of other things I want to discuss, so I'm suggesting
    the following agenda:

    1. The roles the family welfare office, visit supervisor etc. have

    2. Execution of visit [time to see the kids]

    3. Extension of visit [extension of time]

    4. Parental responsibilities, why can one party refuse to share
    information, when is this irresponsible

    5. A walk through of history up until today, confidentiality, the
    position of mothers and fathers in family matters [family cases], the
    position of the parent the child is staying with.

    I think we can say 15 minutes on each point.

    I would like to have 15 minutes before and after the meeting on the
    room, to prepare and close. I would like the meeting to take place in
    the middle [of the calendar beetween time with the kids], in about 3 weeks.

    I will probably want more meetings.

    I want meetings as late as possible in the day.

    I will record meetings.

    Regards,

    Morten

    Attachment 2: justin2_en.txt:

    Subject: Regarding practical matters
    From: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    To: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>

    Hi!

    On account of discussions with Bufetat (The Norwegian Directorate for
    Children, Youth and Family Affairs), I have sent a registered letter
    regarding the execution of a contact meeting / dialog meeting I advance
    of the next visit to see the kids.

    This must happen here. I will meet you at 09:00 on the account of my
    role as contact person for the visit supervision. Otherwise, the time to
    see the kids can go as planned immediately after the execution of our
    meeting. In case you haven't gotten the letter, necessary information
    will be given at the meeting.

    You ask for the possibility of using a TV. There is a TV on the waiting
    room. The practical matter can be arranged with the visit supervisor.

    Regards,

    Justin Smith
    Leader of the family welfare office in Mo i Rana (familievernkontoret i Trondheim).

    Response 1:

    Subject: Re: Regarding practical matters
    To: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    From: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
    Cc: Lise Lydersen <lise.lydersen@bufetat.no>, post.trondelag@politiet.no

    Hi Justin.

    This is too a short notice. And I don't want a meeting [straight] in
    advance of time with the kids.

    I have more than enough to think about with regard to seeing the kids.

    I refer to a recent telephone conversation [with you] where I suggest
    meeting via the phone, or outside [calendar-wise] of periods I see the kids.

    Regards,

    Morten

    Response 2:

    Subject: Re: Regarding practical matters
    To: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    From: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>

    On the other hand, I don't want to mess with cables etc. and break
    something.

    Then it is better that someone who knows how the TV is setup, makes an
    HDMI cable available, or inserts a new one, and leaves some instructions.

    Regards,

    Morten

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    Posted on alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.men.politics, alt.politics, alt.society.mental-health and talk.politics.misc in March, April, May,
    June and October 2019 and alt.society.liberalism, alt.support.depression
    and soc.rights.human in April, May, June and October 2019.

    Here's an added section to

    http://blogologue.com/c

    Posted on the 6th of December, 2019.

    So, this week I got an email from Justin Smith, leader of the family
    welfare office in Mo i Rana. I was disturbed by this email, in addition
    to behaviour he has displayed earlier. Here is that email.

    Subject: A notice of concern regarding Justin Smith, leader of the
    Norwegian family welfare office in Mo i Rana, and the family welware
    offices in general
    To: postmottak@bufdir.no
    Cc: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>,
    Lise Lydersen <lise.lydersen@bufetat.no>,
    Vebjørn Svidal <vebjornsvidal@gmail.com>,
    lillian.naerem@rana.kommune.no,
    rana.tingrett@domstol.no,
    post.trondelag@politiet.no,
    Postmottak Nordland politidistrikt <post.nordland@politiet.no>, sylvakrogh@outlook.com

    Hi.

    I'm concerned regarding Justin Smith, as he displays a behaviour that is unsuitable, with regard to him being a leader that arbitrates in family conflicts, and has the role of overseeing [time parents have with their
    kids], which I have gone to court to get, time with my kids.

    Justin Smith has earlier this year (on the 16th of August), asked for a
    meeting with regards to the supervised time I have with the kids. I said
    yes to this meeting, and a few days later, I added some points which I
    wanted to discuss. I sent a reminder regarding this meeting on the 17th
    of September, and the 4th of October. Wanting to have this meeting was
    also mentioned by me on the 13th of November, in an email about a new
    round of arbitration.

    I think Justin Smith is quite foggy and at times annoying to talk to,
    and that the family welfare office in Mo i Rana and Trondheim, doesn't
    come across in a way one might expect - as a neutral party for the best interest of the kids. Where their best interest is among other things,
    to have [a good relation with their dad].

    It seems for example that he [Justin, in conversations], waits for me to
    say something, and then starts to say something, [to disrupt and/or
    annoy me].

    ..the meeting [that Justin originally wanted] was never arranged, and a
    couple of weeks ago, I called the family welfare office
    (familievernkontoret i Mo i Rana) in Mo, and talked to Justin Smith.
    There I suggested 2 alternatives for having the meeting. One was that
    Bufetat (The Norwegian Directorate for Children, Youth and Family
    Affairs ), paid for the travel expenses, where the meeting could take
    place outside of the periods where I see the kids, the other was a
    meeting over the phone, where I get to loan an office space from the
    family welfare office in Trondheim (familivernkontoret i Trondheim).
    Justin was negative to both of these alternatives. I then suggested a
    third alternative, that I rent an office in Trondheim, and send the bill
    to Bufetat. I did not catch a positive response to this. It is important
    for the meeting to be able to speak openly, without [people that had no
    right to hear confidential information being able to hear it].

    This shows that several alternatives for having a meeting have been
    suggested.

    Justin knows, or should know, that it is an extremely small amount of
    time I get with the kids compared to what I want, that the kids mom
    [Hilde Olsen] only wants to share expenses for the cheapest transport
    [added: about 500km each way on train] and not staying overnight in a
    hotel, and that there has been a long conflict, and still is, between me
    and the kids mom. And that I think it is important to get the most out
    of the time I get with the kids.

    I have previously said that I wanted arbitration about the parental resposibilities, where they live, time with parents etc. to be outside
    of the periods I have time with the kids, to get the most out of these
    times with the kids.

    To then force in a meeting at 09:00, the exact same time as the time
    with my kids starts, is therefore strange, and inconsiderate. It goes
    without saying that this also limits the amount of time I can use on the meeting (talk about things I want/need to discuss), and that it disrupts
    the execution of the time I have with the kids.

    I think it is important to have good health, and for example regularly
    check my blood pressure. The highest blood pressure I've had this year,
    has been very close time-wise, to a visit to see the kids.

    Attached is an email sent to Justin with points I wanted to discuss in
    addition to what Justin wanted to discuss ( http://blogologue.com/justin1_en.txt ) , and an email sent from Justin
    this week, with my answers ( http://blogologue.com/justin2_en.txt ).

    Regards,

    Morten

    Attachment 1: justin1_en.txt:

    Subject: Regarding contact meeting
    To: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    From: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
    Bcc: <post.trondelag@politiet.no>

    Hi Justin.

    I don't have a place to talk that is completely private, so I thought I
    could borrow a room at the family welfare office in Trondheim (familievernskontoret i Trondheim).

    There are a couple of other things I want to discuss, so I'm suggesting
    the following agenda:

    1. The roles the family welfare office, visit supervisor etc. have

    2. Execution of visit [time to see the kids]

    3. Extension of visit [extension of time]

    4. Parental responsibilities, why can one party refuse to share
    information, when is this irresponsible

    5. A walk through of history up until today, confidentiality, the
    position of mothers and fathers in family matters [family cases], the
    position of the parent the child is staying with.

    I think we can say 15 minutes on each point.

    I would like to have 15 minutes before and after the meeting on the
    room, to prepare and close. I would like the meeting to take place in
    the middle [of the calendar beetween time with the kids], in about 3 weeks.

    I will probably want more meetings.

    I want meetings as late as possible in the day.

    I will record meetings.

    Regards,

    Morten

    Attachment 2: justin2_en.txt:

    Subject: Regarding practical matters
    From: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    To: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>

    Hi!

    On account of discussions with Bufetat (The Norwegian Directorate for
    Children, Youth and Family Affairs), I have sent a registered letter
    regarding the execution of a contact meeting / dialog meeting I advance
    of the next visit to see the kids.

    This must happen here. I will meet you at 09:00 on the account of my
    role as contact person for the visit supervision. Otherwise, the time to
    see the kids can go as planned immediately after the execution of our
    meeting. In case you haven't gotten the letter, necessary information
    will be given at the meeting.

    You ask for the possibility of using a TV. There is a TV on the waiting
    room. The practical matter can be arranged with the visit supervisor.

    Regards,

    Justin Smith
    Leader of the family welfare office in Mo i Rana (familievernkontoret i Trondheim).

    Response 1:

    Subject: Re: Regarding practical matters
    To: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    From: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
    Cc: Lise Lydersen <lise.lydersen@bufetat.no>, post.trondelag@politiet.no

    Hi Justin.

    This is too a short notice. And I don't want a meeting [straight] in
    advance of time with the kids.

    I have more than enough to think about with regard to seeing the kids.

    I refer to a recent telephone conversation [with you] where I suggest
    meeting via the phone, or outside [calendar-wise] of periods I see the kids.

    Regards,

    Morten

    Response 2:

    Subject: Re: Regarding practical matters
    To: Justin Smith <justin.smith@bufetat.no>
    From: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>

    On the other hand, I don't want to mess with cables etc. and break
    something.

    Then it is better that someone who knows how the TV is setup, makes an
    HDMI cable available, or inserts a new one, and leaves some instructions.

    Regards,

    Morten

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