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"Morten W. Petersen" wrote in message news:qbksfd$b99$1@gioia.aioe.org...

Hi. This is a follow-up to the messages

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Posted on alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.men.politics, alt.politics, alt.society.mental-health and talk.politics.misc in March and April 2019
and alt.society.liberalism, alt.support.depression and soc.rights.human
in April 2019.

I just recently wrote an email to the county governor, with plenty of
people and instances on copy, my lawyer, the welfare office, the health department and the local newspaper (emails attached).

In those emails, I write that I recently read about a Norwegian handball player, had big problems with her knees, and that I was just recently
seeing my doctor about my knees, and pain/clicking noise from the knees.

Going back a few years, my old primary care physician Thor Digre, my psychiatrist, and the welfare office were each in their own way,
negative to me using exercise as a tool to improve mental health, but
also physical health. The psychiatrist was positive to more pills, anti-depressants.

When they are negative and don't support me financially, I have to pay
for the membership to the gym myself, and it is a bit of money for
someone who is on low income due to sickness, later unemployment etc.

I earn about 200.000 a year, and the gym membership costs 6000, or 3% of
that. I also pay interest on court costs for a case about seeing my
kids, which is 12000 a year, so about 10% of my gross income, goes to
old court costs, and a smart choice to rehabilitate my health, and
improve my work capacity.

After 2 years of training at the gym, I think it has been well proven
that starting to exercise was a good choice, a better choice than taking
more pills.

I also ponder on whether those 2 years of gym membership, would cost the
state about as much as seeing the psychiatrist for 1 hour.

So I sent them these emails, because of these choices in treatment and
support, but on the follow-up email I also state that the bureaucracy
with their choices for expensive medical treatment instead of simple pre-emptive treatment, makes the bureaucracy look like something that
soon is a 100 year old karma.

This text is licensed under the CC Attribution, No derivatives license.

Email 1:

Fra: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
Date: ons. 15. mai 2019, 13.07
Subject: Kommentar / bekymring helsevesen, NAV, sosialhjelp osv.
To: <fmtlpost@fylkesmannen.no>
Cc: Sveinung Hestad Strand <strand@lovehjerte.no>, <nav-lerkendal.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>, <nav-falkenborg.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>,
<Tiller-DPS@stolav.no>, <postmottak@helsedir.no>, <webred@adresseavisen.no>


Hei.

Jeg leste i nyhetene i dag, at hun Grini som har vaert haandballspiller,
hadde store problemer med knaerne.

Selv var jeg til fastlege i gaar, pga. klikkelyder og smerter i hoeyre kne.

Jeg viste henne hvordan jeg tar kneboey, og fikk en rettelse paa hvordan
de boer gjoeres.

Jeg mener naa etter noen aar med trening, at det er bevist at trening
var et godt valg for meg, et bedre valg enn aa ta flere piller,
antidepressiva, som psykiater var for.

Jeg opplevde psykiater, fastlege og NAV som negative paa hver sin maate,
til at jeg ville trene paa treningssenter.

Naar NAV ikke innvilger stoette til trening, som er et helsefremmende
tiltak, saa maa jeg bruke penger paa det selv.

Naar jeg har lav inntekt, og maa bruke 500 kroner per maaned av egen
lomme paa treningssenter, saa gir det mindre rom for en og annen oppfoelgingstime av personlig trener, som kunne rettet meg paa dette med kneboey tidligere.

Naar jeg videre betaler 1000 kroner per maaned i renter paa
saksutgiftene fra barnefordelingssak 2015, saa er jo den oekonomiske situasjonen enda mer krevende, jeg tjener ca 200.000 per aar. I 2018
fikk jeg paa nytt rettskostnader i forbindelse med ungene, og fikk
dekket egenandel paa disse i siste liten i 2018, etter foerst aa ha
faatt avvist soeknad.

Jeg spurte ogsaa tidligere fastlege Thor Digre om MR av kne i
forbindelse med smerter, og det var ikke aktuelt, hvis jeg husker
riktig. Dette gjoer jo at det er vanskeligere aa fastsette hvordan ting
har vaert, og hvordan ting har utviklet seg.

Mvh,

Morten W. Petersen

Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/blogologue

Blog: http://blogologue.com

On Instagram at
https://instagram.com/morphexx

Email 2:

Fra: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
Date: ons. 15. mai 2019, 14.06
Subject: Re: Kommentar / bekymring helsevesen, NAV, sosialhjelp osv.
To: <fmtlpost@fylkesmannen.no>
Cc: Sveinung Hestad Strand <strand@lovehjerte.no>, <nav-lerkendal.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>, <nav-falkenborg.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>,
<Tiller-DPS@stolav.no>, <postmottak@helsedir.no>, <webred@adresseavisen.no>


Si at dere hadde betalt for treningssenter de siste 2 aarene, det hadde
blitt 12000.

Koster det dere like mye som *en* time hos psykiater paa poliklinikk
(sykehus?)

Jeg klarer ikke aa foelge logikken i det dere gjoer, og byraakratiet ser
ut som et snart 100 aar gammelt karma naar man foretrekker dyr
behandling foran enkel forebygging.

Mvh,

Morten

Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/blogologue

Blog: http://blogologue.com

On Instagram at
https://instagram.com/morphexx

try www.psychosis-seizure.com for seizures

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Hi. This is a follow-up to the messages

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and

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Posted on alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.men.politics, alt.politics, alt.society.mental-health and talk.politics.misc in March and April 2019
and alt.society.liberalism, alt.support.depression and soc.rights.human
in April 2019.

I just recently wrote an email to the county governor, with plenty of
people and instances on copy, my lawyer, the welfare office, the health department and the local newspaper (emails attached).

In those emails, I write that I recently read about a Norwegian handball player, had big problems with her knees, and that I was just recently
seeing my doctor about my knees, and pain/clicking noise from the knees.

Going back a few years, my old primary care physician Thor Digre, my psychiatrist, and the welfare office were each in their own way,
negative to me using exercise as a tool to improve mental health, but
also physical health. The psychiatrist was positive to more pills, anti-depressants.

When they are negative and don't support me financially, I have to pay
for the membership to the gym myself, and it is a bit of money for
someone who is on low income due to sickness, later unemployment etc.

I earn about 200.000 a year, and the gym membership costs 6000, or 3% of
that. I also pay interest on court costs for a case about seeing my
kids, which is 12000 a year, so about 10% of my gross income, goes to
old court costs, and a smart choice to rehabilitate my health, and
improve my work capacity.

After 2 years of training at the gym, I think it has been well proven
that starting to exercise was a good choice, a better choice than taking
more pills.

I also ponder on whether those 2 years of gym membership, would cost the
state about as much as seeing the psychiatrist for 1 hour.

So I sent them these emails, because of these choices in treatment and
support, but on the follow-up email I also state that the bureaucracy
with their choices for expensive medical treatment instead of simple pre-emptive treatment, makes the bureaucracy look like something that
soon is a 100 year old karma.

This text is licensed under the CC Attribution, No derivatives license.

Email 1:

Fra: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
Date: ons. 15. mai 2019, 13.07
Subject: Kommentar / bekymring helsevesen, NAV, sosialhjelp osv.
To: <fmtlpost@fylkesmannen.no>
Cc: Sveinung Hestad Strand <strand@lovehjerte.no>, <nav-lerkendal.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>, <nav-falkenborg.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>,
<Tiller-DPS@stolav.no>, <postmottak@helsedir.no>, <webred@adresseavisen.no>


Hei.

Jeg leste i nyhetene i dag, at hun Grini som har vaert haandballspiller,
hadde store problemer med knaerne.

Selv var jeg til fastlege i gaar, pga. klikkelyder og smerter i hoeyre kne.

Jeg viste henne hvordan jeg tar kneboey, og fikk en rettelse paa hvordan
de boer gjoeres.

Jeg mener naa etter noen aar med trening, at det er bevist at trening
var et godt valg for meg, et bedre valg enn aa ta flere piller,
antidepressiva, som psykiater var for.

Jeg opplevde psykiater, fastlege og NAV som negative paa hver sin maate,
til at jeg ville trene paa treningssenter.

Naar NAV ikke innvilger stoette til trening, som er et helsefremmende
tiltak, saa maa jeg bruke penger paa det selv.

Naar jeg har lav inntekt, og maa bruke 500 kroner per maaned av egen
lomme paa treningssenter, saa gir det mindre rom for en og annen oppfoelgingstime av personlig trener, som kunne rettet meg paa dette med kneboey tidligere.

Naar jeg videre betaler 1000 kroner per maaned i renter paa
saksutgiftene fra barnefordelingssak 2015, saa er jo den oekonomiske situasjonen enda mer krevende, jeg tjener ca 200.000 per aar. I 2018
fikk jeg paa nytt rettskostnader i forbindelse med ungene, og fikk
dekket egenandel paa disse i siste liten i 2018, etter foerst aa ha
faatt avvist soeknad.

Jeg spurte ogsaa tidligere fastlege Thor Digre om MR av kne i
forbindelse med smerter, og det var ikke aktuelt, hvis jeg husker
riktig. Dette gjoer jo at det er vanskeligere aa fastsette hvordan ting
har vaert, og hvordan ting har utviklet seg.

Mvh,

Morten W. Petersen

Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/blogologue

Blog: http://blogologue.com

On Instagram at
https://instagram.com/morphexx

Email 2:

Fra: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
Date: ons. 15. mai 2019, 14.06
Subject: Re: Kommentar / bekymring helsevesen, NAV, sosialhjelp osv.
To: <fmtlpost@fylkesmannen.no>
Cc: Sveinung Hestad Strand <strand@lovehjerte.no>, <nav-lerkendal.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>, <nav-falkenborg.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>,
<Tiller-DPS@stolav.no>, <postmottak@helsedir.no>, <webred@adresseavisen.no>


Si at dere hadde betalt for treningssenter de siste 2 aarene, det hadde
blitt 12000.

Koster det dere like mye som *en* time hos psykiater paa poliklinikk
(sykehus?)

Jeg klarer ikke aa foelge logikken i det dere gjoer, og byraakratiet ser
ut som et snart 100 aar gammelt karma naar man foretrekker dyr
behandling foran enkel forebygging.

Mvh,

Morten

Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/blogologue

Blog: http://blogologue.com

On Instagram at
https://instagram.com/morphexx

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Here's some extra text to the previous text posted on the 17th of May
2019, some more comments about the emails and the thinking around them.

In the emails, I write that I mentioned pain in the knee to my old
primary care physician Thor Digre, and that I wanted an MRI, to see how
things were with the knees at that point in time. One of the reasons I
wanted an MRI, is that in 2015, a week before seeing my kids for the
first time after going to court to get to see them, I was in an
accident, which gave me problems on the right side of my body.

I thought it would be nice to have an MRI then, so that it would be
easier to tell 5-10-20 years later, if the knee had deteriorated, and if
it could have been traced back to the accident. That's because it would
then be easier to prove permanent damage due to the accident, and get
damages (reparation). But no, getting an MRI was out of the question.

About 10 years ago I suffered from sciatica on the right side, and when
I do push-ups now with the feet high, the scar from the accident is
quite prominent on the top of my head. So if I've had problems before,
and I get a hard knock in the head and a strain on the neck, that could
worsen an already existing problem.

About 6 months after the accident, I had some shaking in the right arm
along with pain, and an MRI of the neck later proved that there was a
ruptured disc in the neck, but that it was not pressing at the nerve (at
that point in time).

After talking to health personnel, my understanding is that I could've
ended up paralyzed and possibly have died in that accident, had things
gone a little differently. There was for example some stairs with sharp
edges on that bus, and me moving with a large force towards it with my
neck, could've made for a broken neck.

But the critique in the email, goes mostly on the choices in treatment
the system (bureaucracy) makes, my new doctor pointed out that I was
doing squats wrong when I showed her, and if I'm already using up a lot
of my money on seeing my kids and health, it is difficult to pay for
some consulting from a personal trainer, to get corrections on how I do exercise, to prevent injuries. So I'd say the bureaucracy has been
dragging its feet for years when it comes to supporting me in my efforts
to get back on my feet and take care of my health.

This text is licensed under the CC Attribution, No derivatives license.

On 5/17/19 1:41 AM, Morten W. Petersen wrote:

Hi.  This is a follow-up to the messages

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and

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Posted on alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.men.politics, alt.politics, alt.society.mental-health and talk.politics.misc in March and April 2019
and alt.society.liberalism, alt.support.depression and soc.rights.human
in April 2019.

I just recently wrote an email to the county governor, with plenty of
people and instances on copy, my lawyer, the welfare office, the health department and the local newspaper (emails attached).

In those emails, I write that I recently read about a Norwegian handball player, had big problems with her knees, and that I was just recently
seeing my doctor about my knees, and pain/clicking noise from the knees.

Going back a few years, my old primary care physician Thor Digre, my psychiatrist, and the welfare office were each in their own way,
negative to me using exercise as a tool to improve mental health, but
also physical health.  The psychiatrist was positive to more pills, anti-depressants.

When they are negative and don't support me financially, I have to pay
for the membership to the gym myself, and it is a bit of money for
someone who is on low income due to sickness, later unemployment etc.

I earn about 200.000 a year, and the gym membership costs 6000, or 3% of that. I also pay interest on court costs for a case about seeing my
kids, which is 12000 a year, so about 10% of my gross income, goes to
old court costs, and a smart choice to rehabilitate my health, and
improve my work capacity.

After 2 years of training at the gym, I think it has been well proven
that starting to exercise was a good choice, a better choice than taking
more pills.

I also ponder on whether those 2 years of gym membership, would cost the state about as much as seeing the psychiatrist for 1 hour.

So I sent them these emails, because of these choices in treatment and support, but on the follow-up email I also state that the bureaucracy
with their choices for expensive medical treatment instead of simple pre-emptive treatment, makes the bureaucracy look like something that
soon is a 100 year old karma.

This text is licensed under the CC Attribution, No derivatives license.

Email 1:

Fra: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
Date: ons. 15. mai 2019, 13.07
Subject: Kommentar / bekymring helsevesen, NAV, sosialhjelp osv.
To: <fmtlpost@fylkesmannen.no>
Cc: Sveinung Hestad Strand <strand@lovehjerte.no>, <nav-lerkendal.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>, <nav-falkenborg.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>,
<Tiller-DPS@stolav.no>, <postmottak@helsedir.no>, <webred@adresseavisen.no>

Hei.

Jeg leste i nyhetene i dag, at hun Grini som har vaert haandballspiller, hadde store problemer med knaerne.

Selv var jeg til fastlege i gaar, pga. klikkelyder og smerter i hoeyre kne.

Jeg viste henne hvordan jeg tar kneboey, og fikk en rettelse paa hvordan
de boer gjoeres.

Jeg mener naa etter noen aar med trening, at det er bevist at trening
var et godt valg for meg, et bedre valg enn aa ta flere piller, antidepressiva, som psykiater var for.

Jeg opplevde psykiater, fastlege og NAV som negative paa hver sin maate,
til at jeg ville trene paa treningssenter.

Naar NAV ikke innvilger stoette til trening, som er et helsefremmende
tiltak, saa maa jeg bruke penger paa det selv.

Naar jeg har lav inntekt, og maa bruke 500 kroner per maaned av egen
lomme paa treningssenter, saa gir det mindre rom for en og annen oppfoelgingstime av personlig trener, som kunne rettet meg paa dette med kneboey tidligere.

Naar jeg videre betaler 1000 kroner per maaned i renter paa
saksutgiftene fra barnefordelingssak 2015, saa er jo den oekonomiske situasjonen enda mer krevende, jeg tjener ca 200.000 per aar. I 2018
fikk jeg paa nytt rettskostnader i forbindelse med ungene, og fikk
dekket egenandel paa disse i siste liten i 2018, etter foerst aa ha
faatt avvist soeknad.

Jeg spurte ogsaa tidligere fastlege Thor Digre om MR av kne i
forbindelse med smerter, og det var ikke aktuelt, hvis jeg husker
riktig. Dette gjoer jo at det er vanskeligere aa fastsette hvordan ting
har vaert, og hvordan ting har utviklet seg.

Mvh,

Morten W. Petersen

Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/blogologue

Blog: http://blogologue.com

On Instagram at
https://instagram.com/morphexx

Email 2:

Fra: Morten W. Petersen <morphex@gmail.com>
Date: ons. 15. mai 2019, 14.06
Subject: Re: Kommentar / bekymring helsevesen, NAV, sosialhjelp osv.
To: <fmtlpost@fylkesmannen.no>
Cc: Sveinung Hestad Strand <strand@lovehjerte.no>, <nav-lerkendal.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>, <nav-falkenborg.postmottak@trondheim.kommune.no>,
<Tiller-DPS@stolav.no>, <postmottak@helsedir.no>, <webred@adresseavisen.no>

Si at dere hadde betalt for treningssenter de siste 2 aarene, det hadde
blitt 12000.

Koster det dere like mye som *en* time hos psykiater paa poliklinikk (sykehus?)

Jeg klarer ikke aa foelge logikken i det dere gjoer, og byraakratiet ser
ut som et snart 100 aar gammelt karma naar man foretrekker dyr
behandling foran enkel forebygging.

Mvh,

Morten

Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/blogologue

Blog: http://blogologue.com

On Instagram at
https://instagram.com/morphexx

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On 5/17/19 1:47 AM, David wrote:
[...]

try www.psychosis-seizure.com for seizures

Hi David.

I don't have seizures (that I know of), which seems to be what this site
is mainly about.

Is there something in particular on that site you were thinking of?

Regards,

Morten

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"Morten W. Petersen" wrote in message news:qbm3ke$1m38$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 5/17/19 1:47 AM, David wrote:
[...]

try www.psychosis-seizure.com for seizures

Hi David.

I don't have seizures (that I know of), which seems to be what this site
is mainly about.

Is there something in particular on that site you were thinking of?

Regards,

Morten

The forums need participation. I hope things are ok.

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On 5/17/19 7:46 PM, David wrote:

"Morten W. Petersen"  wrote in message news:qbm3ke$1m38$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 5/17/19 1:47 AM, David wrote:
[...]

try www.psychosis-seizure.com for seizures

Hi David.

I don't have seizures (that I know of), which seems to be what this site
is mainly about.

Is there something in particular on that site you were thinking of?

Regards,

Morten

The forums need participation. I hope things are ok.

Aha. :)

I saw the forums were pretty much empty.

As for participating, it looks like the forum is outsourced to some
provider; what happens is they go away, or you or the organization
behind psychosis-seizure.com goes away?

What happens if proboards.com or you or your organization is legally
attacked, because of opinions expressed in the forums?

One of the main reasons I'm posting these messages, is because I was
railed by my ex (and maybe her family and/or the bureaucracy) and I've
been to court 2 times, and will possibly go a 3rd. It seems justice
isn't what I expected to be, it is rather a matter of thinking ahead and setting someone up, and having the resources (money) to get what you want.

I've worked as a hosting provider earlier, and although I see the
practicality in outsourcing the forums, you open up another place where
someone can put pressure and attack, if they don't like your opinion, or
the opinion of someone posting on the forum.

If you were running your own forum on a server, if pressure was put on
your hosting provider, you could simply move the forum to another
hosting provider.

Now I guess proboards owns the code and the hosting infrastructure,
making it difficult to switch to someone else.

For clarity, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. :)

-Morten

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"Morten W. Petersen" wrote in message news:qbr1j8$1gce$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 5/17/19 7:46 PM, David wrote:

"Morten W. Petersen" wrote in message
news:qbm3ke$1m38$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 5/17/19 1:47 AM, David wrote:
[...]

try www.psychosis-seizure.com for seizures

Hi David.

I don't have seizures (that I know of), which seems to be what this site
is mainly about.

Is there something in particular on that site you were thinking of?

Regards,

Morten

The forums need participation. I hope things are ok.

Aha. :)

I saw the forums were pretty much empty.

As for participating, it looks like the forum is outsourced to some
provider; what happens is they go away, or you or the organization
behind psychosis-seizure.com goes away?

What happens if proboards.com or you or your organization is legally
attacked, because of opinions expressed in the forums?

One of the main reasons I'm posting these messages, is because I was
railed by my ex (and maybe her family and/or the bureaucracy) and I've
been to court 2 times, and will possibly go a 3rd. It seems justice
isn't what I expected to be, it is rather a matter of thinking ahead and setting someone up, and having the resources (money) to get what you want.

I've worked as a hosting provider earlier, and although I see the
practicality in outsourcing the forums, you open up another place where
someone can put pressure and attack, if they don't like your opinion, or
the opinion of someone posting on the forum.

If you were running your own forum on a server, if pressure was put on
your hosting provider, you could simply move the forum to another
hosting provider.

Now I guess proboards owns the code and the hosting infrastructure,
making it difficult to switch to someone else.

For clarity, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. :)

-Morten

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