• An ongoing personal tragedy, family tragedy (rights of fathers)

    From Morten W. Petersen@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 21 14:08:10 2019
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.support.depression

    Hi there.

    I've posted over a couple of months now on other newsgroups, but haven't
    gotten much response. So I'm "widening the net" and posting to some
    more groups, and sending a complete copy of what has been posted earlier.

    For 6 years, I've been in a conflict in the kids mom, about seeing my
    kids. I rejected a relationship to her, and she has made my life
    difficult since then.

    I'm a liberal, tolerant person, and believe that moms and dads should
    have equal rights (alt.society.liberalism).

    Being in a conflict for years is artificially depressing, and coming out
    of a long period of psychosis, also can lead to depression (alt.support.depression).

    I believe it is a basic right to be with your family, and it is a right
    that is in practice denied to many fathers in Norway and other countries (soc.rights.human).

    I could have written so much more, but I have to start somewhere, so
    many, many more messages to come.

    This is a follow-up to the messages

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    Posted on alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.men.politics, alt.politics, alt.society.mental-health and talk.politics.misc in March and April 2019.

    This post and previous messages are available at

    http://blogologue.com/c

    So, after a 6-year struggle with the kids mom, I've decided it is time
    to start being a bit more structured, and present my case with some
    critical documents.

    Over years, the kids mom has made it difficult to see the kids, and she
    has used 3 different lawyers over that period of time. Lately, the
    husband of her twin sister, a police officer in Mo i Rana, has been a
    contact person for her (I wouldn't say mediator, because he seems like
    an extended windpipe for the kids mom, trolling along). In 2009 I got
    severely sick, psychotic, and today I'm much better shape. In 2013, I
    rejected a relationship with the kids mom, and that is the reason I see,
    that she is making my life difficult.

    According to the law, we should share expenses for traveling to see the
    kids, but since 2013, the kids mom has not paid me what I understand is
    a fair share, for my expenses.

    In 2015, there was a court case, a court case which I lost, but in that
    case, I gained the possibility of seeing my kids with supervision. I'm
    still paying interest on this court case.

    So on the one side, the kids mom is earning interest on a court case I
    had to make, on the other side, she won't share expenses for seeing the
    kids, according to the law.

    This week, Monday the 25th of February 2019, I got a message that the
    person supervising my visits with the kids, had become ill, and that
    this meant that my visit to see the kids this Saturday the 2nd of March,
    was cancelled. She has not been ill earlier, and she's been to quite a
    few of these visits.

    Straight after I got this email, I mailed the kids mom's contact person,
    and 4-5 hours later, he replied that it wasn't possible to setup
    something this Saturday in a public space, so I could get to see the
    kids, or they could get to see me, as planned.

    Those emails are linked here and here. It's relevant to add that the
    kids mom's contact person, is a police officer, and that he likes to
    reply to messages writing new messages, which makes it a bit difficult
    to follow an email thread. He usually doesn't reply within the same thread.

    So to recap that last bit, and to illustrate the situation that has been
    going on for years; Monday there was a notification that the supervisor
    for the visit Saturday was sick, the same day I got the message that it
    wasn't possible for the kids mom to have the kids in a public space for
    some hours on Saturday. Also, today Friday I got the message that the
    kids mom was traveling away with the kids this weekend, so she quickly
    made plans to travel somewhere else.

    I'd say I've seen the kids less than 2 hours each month, since the
    summer 2013, and that's even though I've been to every meeting about the
    kids, and every meeting with the kids.

    On the 21st of May 2018, I pressed charges against the kids mom. On the
    7th of February this year, I pressed charges against the kids mom's
    contact person, because he is a police officer and displays behaviour
    that I find questionable for a police officer.

    People that have been involved in this case for a long time from the
    public sector, are Inger-Ritha Olsen, Justin Smith, Rubi Stjernen (communal/family health/supervision), Per-Martin Utkilen (police
    internal affairs). All, or almost all emails sent in this case, have
    been on copy to the Norwegian police.

    This text is licensed under the CC Attribution, No derivatives license.

    My email is morphex@gmail.com.

    So, here's an added section to
    http://blogologue.com/c

    which was added on the evening of the 8th of March, 2019.

    I think it's important to underline that today, with my financial
    situation, it is difficult for me to go another round in court, because
    if I lose the case, that is, if I "essentially" lose the case, I can get
    the court costs of the kids mom, and the previous court costs and the
    new ones, can become so large that it is impossible for me to service
    that debt. The only way I can get to see the kids today, is by going to
    court, to get court-appointed supervision, so I can have some time with
    the kids.

    With my experiences with the kids mom, I think there is something wrong
    with her. If I was in a relationship, we could have broken that
    relationship off, and that would have been pretty much it.

    But I did get two kids with her, and this means that I have to deal with
    the kids mom, as long as she is in a position where she has control over
    the kids.

    Now, to get down to why she has control over the kids, that is a long
    story, but lets get it started.

    In 2009, when I got psychotic around the birth of my first son, I had a business that was growing. After I got sick, I was partially working, to
    keep the business running, and my business partner Stig Rune Øyra, was
    doing a job keeping us up and running as well, more than what he usually
    did.

    So, alongside working, I was in treatment, both with medication that
    alters the functioning of the brain, and going to psychologists and psychiatrists.

    Fast forward to 2013, and the relationship with the kids mom had
    deteriorated so much, that we broke up, she moved, and she took the kids
    with her.

    In the summer of 2013, I rejected a relationship with the kids mom, and
    after this, it became difficult to see the kids.

    In the summer of 2015, I was in court, to get to see the kids, and I did
    get to see the kids, but lost the case, and this is where the court
    costs come from, costs that I'm paying 1000 NOK a month on, which is
    about 6% of my income, before taxes.

    But, another financial part of this, is that I decided to work in the
    company while I was sick, and when the hosting part was sold off to
    Copyleft, because it was too demanding, the recurring income
    disappeared, and the money that was in the bank accounts dwindled down.

    If I had been smarter about the running of the business, I would have
    been on a 100% of close to 100% sick leave, which would've left money in
    the business.

    Today, I could have borrowed money from the business, to pay off the
    court debt to the kids mom, and had another round in court.

    I think it is important to take responsibility for one's choices and
    actions, because that's how you learn. But, in this situation where I essentially lost my business, lost contact with my kids and ended up in
    a financial hole, I was medicated, mentally ill, and going to therapy.

    I've been thinking about who is responsible for this, and it is
    obviously me, but also NAV, the Norwegian combined unemployment office,
    welfare office, pension administrator etc. It is also the healthcare
    system, and the psychologists Gunnar Gotaas, Morten Mitsem, the
    psychiatrist Daniel Molyneux, all working via Tiller DPS. My primary
    care physician has since I've moved to Trondheim in 2010, been Thor Digre.

    If I remember correctly, Gunnar Gotaas and Morten Mitsem were my
    psychologists close to the trial, and Daniel Molyneux my psychiatrist
    after the trial.

    I've taken up problems with the kids mom with health personnel, and a
    lot has been sent in written, documentable form to Daniel Molyneux and
    Thor Digre, after the trial, so it can be proven.

    In 2018, I found that my relationship with my primary care physician
    Thor Digre, had deteriorated, and he asked me to find another primary
    care physician. After some time, I did find a new primary care
    physician, I waited a bit to see if Thor was serious. Before our
    relationship deteriorated, I had taken up problems with the kids mom and
    things related to that.

    Towards the end of 2018, I've heard from others that I didn't look well,
    and I've had some passing health problems that can be recurring in
    nature later, which I didn't address with Thor Digre, because of our relationship issues.

    As I'm writing this, it seems pretty clear to me, that multiple people
    have done something wrong, or there is something wrong with the system.

    I've experienced the kids mom as on the one side acting hurt, sad etc.
    in family counseling, and right afterwards seeming happy, as if she was
    playing a game, flirting etc.

    The trial in 2015 was lost and I got the court costs, in big part
    because of the findings of the court-appointed mental health
    professionals, that found the kids mom to be "great". Sylva Krogh was
    their representative in court, and I've blogged about them earlier.

    They've changed their name, and they did so on the 31st of October 2017,
    from INSTITUTT FOR KLINISK FOREBYGGENDE TILTAK - IKFT AS to KLINISK KOMPETANSETEAM AS. I guess it is relevant to point out also here, that
    the business was started in July 2014, about half a year before they
    were appointed by the court for the trial the summer 2015.

    Anyway, they say the kids mom is great, and this to me, means that there
    are a lot of women in Norway that are selfish and damaging to others and
    that this is acceptable socially and culturally, or, that Sylva Krogh
    and her colleagues have had ulterior motives, in corruption, serving
    political and cultural interests, doing someone favours etc.

    Mo i Rana is not that big of a place either, so I guess knowing that
    someone could make your life difficult for years could also be a factor.

    But, I'd like to think that they knew what they were doing, another
    possible motive is that they need to keep the population numbers
    growing, I've heard some mumbles/grumbles about women from Mo i Rana.

    So there you have an overview of the healthcare/court side of this
    story, I could give more details, but I've got more posts to make later.

    This text is licensed under a CC Attribution, No derivatives license.

    Here's an added section, posted on the 7th of April, 2019. It was also
    posted on my blog, http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=1554648397X85.

    Recently I was at a pharmacy, to pick up some Seroquel Depot medication,
    at the Norwegian pharmacy chain Apotek1, their store at Heimdal.

    I ordered 5 packs Seroquel depot 50mg online in their webshop, and
    things looked fine.

    I went to pick it up, and I was the last customer serviced that day. It
    turned out that they did not have 5 packages available, and after some complaints from me, the pharmacist gave me a 150mg package of Seroquel
    depot, and 2 50mg packages of Seroquel depot, which was an OK solution,
    then and there.

    However, I find it worrying that a pharmacy advertises, and makes it
    possible to order important medication online, and when you come to pick
    it up, it isn't available. I could've bought some packs before
    traveling, I could've had few packs left at home etc. - and it is an inconvenience that they don't have important medication - AS PROMISED.

    I've read online that the maximum concentration of medication in the
    blood (and its effects and side-effects), can be different for a patient
    taking 2x150mg of Seroquel depot, as opposed to 1x300mg of Seroquel depot.

    I've been on the same dose of Seroquel for quite some time, on 50mg
    tablets, and it has worked well, I'm in good shape.

    However, I've also earlier experienced pharmacies (from other chains)
    having few packs of Seroquel available, so overall, it seems that a
    person that has emotional or cognitive problems, should keep a stash of medication at home. Which isn't a bad idea, because I see there are
    shortages of some medications from time to time.

    Apotek1 is a commercial chain of pharmacies, and they get their rules & regulations from the state. They are basically an extended arm of the
    state healthcare system, when they dole out prescription medication.

    I see that Seroquel depot is available in 50mg, 150mg, 200mg, 300mg,
    400mg. But not 100mg.

    I find that odd, and seeing that the dosage for various psychiatric
    illnesses start at 150mg a day, I'm entertaining the possibility that
    the medication is not available as expected, and the dose of each tablet
    is setup, so that the healthcare system can manipulate the patient in
    how they take medication, and how much.

    I recently changed primary care physician, because the previous one was
    a bit of a disaster, and I've talked to my new primary care physician
    about wanting to reduce the amount of Seroquel I take, due to mental
    side effects, as well as long-term physical side effects.

    Thinking about how eager my old psychiatrist Daniel Molyneux was to get
    me over on anti-depressants, and he, my old primary care physician Thor
    Digre, and NAV - the state welfare system, was negative to me using
    exercise as a way to manage and stabilize mood and manage physical
    health, I do entertain the possibility that they have setup the
    medication dosage, and the distribution system, so that they can fuck
    with the medication.

    And if they fuck with the medication in such a way, what else do they
    see themselves are justified in doing? What else are they fucking with?

    This text is licensed under the CC Attribution, No derivatives license.

    Here's an added section, posted on the 20th of April, 2019. It was also
    posted on my blog, http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=1555791759X12.
    So, I've been in a conflict with the mother of my kids for 6 years now,
    and for some time, her brother-in-law, a police officer in Mo i Rana,
    Vebjørn Svidal, has been a contact person.

    I've found his role questionable, in that he as a police officer, has
    some authority and credibility, and that he then meddles with this
    conflict, can give the kids mom credibility, because he is a police
    officer and doesn't do anything about what's going on. For example,
    reporting the kids mom to the child services.

    I reported him to the internal affairs branch of the police, some more
    info is on this page.

    But long story short, the internal affairs dismissed my complaint, but
    at the same time, forwarded it to the police district where he works.

    In my complaint(s), I say that Vebjørn acts as an extended windpipe for
    the kids mom, trolling along; and that she does not share expenses for
    me seeing the kids, according to the law, and hasn't done so for 6
    years. I write that his meddling in this conflict is questionable, and
    that he must realize that he, being married to the twin sister of my
    kids mom, is surrounded by people who can influence him, every day.

    But also importantly, the internal affairs did not say that anything I
    wrote is untrue. A complaint given to the police does have some weight
    to it, as it is a bad idea, and can be punished by law, to lie to the
    police.

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