• Who created human rights? (and why it's a problem for atheists)

    From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 29 06:55:19 2018
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    Who created human rights? (and why it's a problem for atheists)

    It is 70 years since the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was
    adopted by the United Nations. Following his Big Conversation debate
    with Peter Singer, Andy Bannister says the document still poses a
    significant problem for atheists

    On the 3rd July 1884, four sailors aboard a yacht, the Mignonette,
    encountered a terrible Atlantic storm. The yacht sank, leaving them
    stranded in a tiny wooden lifeboat.With little food and no water, by
    their eighth day adrift they were desperate and so made the fateful
    decision to kill the cabin boy. For four more days until their rescue,
    the three surviving sailors fed on the cabin boy’s body.

    When they returned to England and the story broke, it scandalised the
    nation and the survivors were charged with murder and made to stand
    trial.

    If you were the judge, what would you do? After all, the story leads
    to two possible conclusions. The first is purely utilitarian: one
    person was killed, three people survived. And the cabin boy, unlike
    the older sailors, had no dependants; his death left no grieving
    children.

    But I suspect few readers would agree with that option. Most of us
    have a more visceral reaction: what those three sailors did was
    fundamentally wrong, because they violated the cabin boy’s human
    rights and dignity.

    Free and equal

    Whether it’s a small crime against humanity (the murder of a cabin boy
    under desperate circumstances) or a major one (the Rwandan genocide or Stalin’s Russia), most people have the same reaction: it is wrong to
    violate the dignity of another human being. This year is the 70th
    anniversary of the document that most famously encapsulates this idea:
    the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which was adopted by
    the United Nations on 10th December 1948 in Paris.

    The UDHR opens with these powerful words: “Recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the
    human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the
    world…All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.”

    We’re passionate about human rights, we award Nobel Prizes for them,
    but a fairly basic question is often overlooked. These rights, this
    dignity that human beings are claimed to have – where is it located?
    What is its basis, its foundation? In short, however noble the UDHR
    may sound, is it true?

    All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights
    These are trickier questions to answer than you might imagine, and the
    options are limited. Perhaps one might suggest that human rights just
    are; they just exist. This was the route taken by the secular human
    rights campaigner Peter Tatchell whom I once debated on Premier
    Christian Radio’s Unbelievable? show. Tatchell is passionate about
    human rights, but when I pressed him on why we have them, he basically
    said they exist because they exist. This is hugely problematic, not
    just because it’s a circular argument, but because the racist can use
    the same rationale – they can claim to be superior to other races and
    when we ask why, reply: “I am because I am.”

    Another popular secular route is to try to find something special
    about human beings: perhaps the fact we have speech, or consciousness,
    or creativity. Again, as part of ‘The Big Conversation’ series from Unbelievable?, I recently dialogued with one of the most famous
    atheist philosophers in the world who holds this position. Peter
    Singer is famous, firstly, for his commitment to utilitarianism – we
    pick our actions based on what causes the least suffering or promotes
    the greatest happiness (so cabin boy casserole is very much a real
    option). But in our conversation Singer also said that what gives us
    rights and dignity is not that we are human, but that we have the
    ability to have preferences for the future, and that we can act in
    accordance with those preferences.

    There is a grave problem with trying to ground rights and dignity in somebody’s abilities. Even leading atheist Sam Harris has pointed it
    out: “The problem is that whatever attribute we use to differentiate
    between humans and animals – intelligence, language use, moral
    sentiments, and so on – will equally differentiate between human
    beings themselves. If people are more important to us than orangutans
    because they can articulate their interests, why aren’t more
    articulate people more important still? And what about those poor men
    and women with aphasia? It would seem that we have just excluded them
    from our moral community.”

    Now the options are getting more limited. Maybe we can say that human
    rights exist because they matter to me; because they’re personally
    important to us. The problem, of course, is that when Martin Luther
    King cries “I have a dream!” in his famous civil rights speech, how do
    we answer the person who says: “I’m glad you care; but personally I don’t.” Isn’t the point about rights and dignity that we should all
    care? We need more than mere personal preference.

    The last option is to appeal to the state: human rights exist because
    the government grants them. The problem here is that if rights are
    something the state gives, the state can equally take them away. In
    1857, an African-American slave named Dred Scott sued his owner for
    his freedom. The US Supreme Court ruled against Scott, the Justices
    stating that as a “negro”, he did not possess rights.

    We hear a story like that, 150 years on, and wince with shame at how
    our ancestors behaved. But if human rights and dignity are just
    arbitrary inventions that the state confers, then the state can
    equally arbitrarily take them away. Tax deductions today, rights
    deductions tomorrow.

    Invented or discovered?

    So how do we solve the problem that many of us are committed to human
    rights but we can’t ground human rights? Well, the first thing to say
    is we need to get beyond preference. There’s a huge temptation today
    to see morals, values and choices as just our personal preference.

    I was surprised to discover that even Singer drifts this way at times.
    I reminded him during our conversation of the passage in his famous
    book, Practical Ethics (Cambridge University Press), where he
    basically admits there isn’t really a way to differentiate between a
    life spent stamp-collecting, a life spent watching football, or a life
    spent helping the poor. If ethics is just something we make up, then I
    can see why he is stuck here.

    But what if ethics, human rights and human dignity aren’t made up? One
    of the brilliant insights that the world leaders, philosophers and
    theologians who crafted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights had
    was the assumption that human rights and dignity aren’t invented but discovered. During our conversation, Singer actually admitted this,
    remarking that he increasingly thinks that moral values and duties
    exist independently of us, in a “similar way to mathematical truths existing”.

    There’s a huge temptation today to define morals as just our personal preference

    That’s a massive step for an atheist like Singer to take, for it means
    that as well as physical things (atoms, particles, tables, chairs,
    chocolate éclairs etc) you also have invisible, non-physical entities
    floating around, principles such as “love your neighbour”. For
    somebody like Singer, who believes human beings are the unpurposed
    product of time plus chance plus natural selection, this looks
    remarkably peculiar. As I put it to him in our dialogue: it must have
    been an interesting day on the Serengeti all those thousands of years
    ago when one of our ancient hominid ancestors woke up to discover
    themselves bound not just by the law of gravity, but also by the law
    of “do not murder”. Was their first thought: “Hoorah! I’m now a moral agent!”, or “Bummer, now I can’t whack the hominid in the next door
    cave over the head and steal his lunch”?

    By contrast, the Christian view of what it means to be a human being
    and a bearer of rights and dignity starts from a very different place. Christians ground human rights in the incredible truth, proclaimed in
    texts like Genesis 1:26-27, that human beings bear the image of God,
    the imago dei. Incidentally, that idea is unique to the Bible. It’s
    not found in Islam, or Hinduism or Buddhism – it’s a uniquely Judaeo-Christian concept.

    Many atheists throughout history have reluctantly recognised this is a
    far better foundation for human rights than attempting to arbitrarily
    ground value and dignity in other places. Some of them have also
    raised the next obvious question of what happens to value and dignity
    if you pull God out as the foundation. The 19th Century German atheist Friedrich Nietzsche (who hated Christian ethics as he felt it elevated
    the weak and the poor) was brutally honest: “The masses blink and say
    ‘We are all equal – Man is but man, before God – we are equal.’ Before God! But now this God has died.”

    So, there is a stark choice: one can adopt a Christian understanding
    of humanity – that we have real value and real dignity, because we are
    made in God’s image. Or you can reject that narrative, ignore the consequences, refuse to answer Nietzsche and pretend everything is OK.

    The Big Conversation

    Should we end the lives of severely disabled children?
    Moral philosopher Peter Singer (PS, pictured left) has provoked
    controversy among disability rights campaigners. In this edited
    excerpt from his debate with Andy Bannister (AB, pictured right),
    hosted by Justin Brierley (JB), he defends the practice of euthanasia
    for children born with severe disabilities.

    PS: Perhaps we should look at this term ‘dignity’ first. An
    anencephalic is an infant born with only a brainstem but no cortex, so
    no capacity for consciousness. An anencephalic won’t recognise his or
    her mother, is not capable of experiencing or feeling anything at all.

    Now, compare that with a chimpanzee or a horse. Why should we think
    that this human, who could have no experiences, has more dignity than
    the chimpanzee or the horse or the dog who can respond in so many
    complex ways to their environment?

    JB: So you disagree with the declaration that “all human beings are
    born free and equal in dignity and rights”?

    PS: That’s right. There are exceptions.

    JB: What do you think about human dignity, Andy?

    AB: Peter, while you take examples of human beings who are born
    profoundly disabled, I still think you’d recognise they had a degree
    of dignity. If you met a parent of a child born like that, who was
    proposing not just committing infanticide but then chopping the corpse
    into little bits and frying them on the barbecue, you’d think that
    there has been a failure of moral reasoning. Even in that tragedy
    there is a degree of dignity.

    Some of the great ethicists like Hobbes, Locke and Kant argued that
    equality is not grounded in an ability that you have or you don’t
    have. That leads to a sliding scale that says: “Maybe rationality is
    what grants people inclusion in moral community.” Well, you’re a
    brilliant philosopher – if we put you up next to Justin and we have to
    make a choice [to keep just one of them], Justin may not be part of
    that.

    JB: I’d be mincemeat!

    PS: We could just say there is a minimal threshold…

    AB: We could go that route or we could go the route of Hobbes and Kant
    and others of intrinsic human dignity. In terms of animal rights and
    justice for the animal kingdom, that’s also grounded in human dignity
    because I have a duty to the animal kingdom to treat it in a
    particular way.

    PS: Do you think that your duties to the anencephalic are grounded in
    some rights?

    AB: I think all human beings, whether they have capabilities or they
    don’t, belong to the human family and with that come rights and
    dignity. So I would agree with the Universal Declaration of Human
    Rights.

    Watch the full debate between Andy Bannister and Peter Singer

    Where are we going?
    But one last thought. If human beings have dignity, why should that
    affect how we behave? Suppose you are walking down your local high
    street when a passer-by trips you up, pokes you in the eye, and steals
    your Starbucks. “Hey!” you cry. “I have dignity! How dare you!” And they look at you and say: “So what?” How can you compel them to take
    your rights seriously?

    You see, you can’t talk about rights without talking about duties.
    What is our duty towards a dignity-bearer, towards a fellow human, and
    why? That question opens a whole new can of worms. Is there a way we
    are supposed to be? Are some actions really wrong, and some really
    right? Harvard University law professor, Michael Sandel says: “Debates
    about justice and rights are often, unavoidably, debates about purpose...Despite our best efforts to make law neutral on such
    questions, it may not be possible to say what’s just without arguing
    about the nature of the good life.”

    Sandel’s observation gets to the heart of what it means to be a human
    being. Are we creatures designed to seek justice, goodness and
    fairness? Or are we just primates that got lucky in the evolutionary
    lottery and whose genes are purely directed at reproductive success?


    This was a topic that Singer and I returned to many times in our ‘Big Conversation’ (see dialogue box above). I remarked to Peter that it’s
    all very well calling a book Practical Ethics, but that only goes so
    far. Imagine that I get home from a trip and I say to my wife: “Hey, I
    just bought this amazing book, Practical Canoeing, at the airport!”
    Next day I load my wife and children into a canoe and start paddling
    out into the North Sea. “What precisely is the plan?” my wife begins
    to ask, increasingly insistently. To which I keep replying: “Honey,
    stop asking silly questions! Can’t you see how wonderful this canoe
    is? It’s so practical.” Finally, she shouts at me: “But where are we going?”

    Practical ethics, utilitarianism, human rights, and so forth – all
    these things are all very well, but unless we ask what the purpose of
    a human life is, what we are supposed to be, what we are supposed to
    be aiming at, we really will just end up paddling in circles.

    If Christianity is true, love is the supreme ethic
    As the conversation with Singer shows, if you ultimately believe that
    the universe is just atoms in motion, that there is nothing
    intrinsically valuable about human beings, and if some humans have
    more value than others, because the metric you use to measure ‘worth’
    or ‘personhood’ assigns them a greater score, then you have a problem.

    But by stark, beautiful contrast, if the Christian story is true, then
    we were made with a purpose. We were made for something. Indeed, made
    for someone. We were made to discover God’s love, to love God in
    return, and to love our neighbour. If Christianity is true, love is
    the supreme ethic – that’s what it means to be human and it gives a
    value, a purpose, a direction to human life – and a basis not just for
    human rights but also for our duties to one another.

    This is why atheists face such a sharp dilemma. Only if the Christian
    story is true do humans have dignity and worth. And only on that basis
    can you talk meaningfully about rights and about responsibilities. Who
    created human rights? The one who created humans.

    Source: https://t.co/0rhJBi0IQr


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    In article <f8suvdd40961oe3tpohgndbhgmvdgrc2jc@4ax.com>,
    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    Who created human rights? (and why it's a problem for atheists)

    Immediate answer: mirror neurons. Nearly all of us have circuitry in our brains so that what we see another person doing, we partially activate our own brain as
    if doing the same. That includes watching emotions in another person: we feel what they feel. That's the basis of biological empathy.

    A US psychiatrist at Nuremberg, Gustave Gilbert, concluded 'Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.'

    Longer range answer: I believe mirror neurons are a gift of the Creator, though I don't pretend to know how that was done. I believe we are designed to be capable of love.

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