By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had
natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those
least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci and >Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and instead
created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have antibodies that
neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that the government did
not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better in >preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having both
meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were fired
because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be vaccinated.
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had
natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those
least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci and Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and instead
created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have antibodies that
neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that the government did
not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better in preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having both
meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were fired
because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be vaccinated.
On 3/16/2022 6:52 AM, Johnny wrote:
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had
natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those
least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci and
Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and instead
created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have antibodies that
neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that the government did
not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better in
preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having both
meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were fired
because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be vaccinated.
I agree more leeway should have been given to those already infected >(although getting a vaccine on top of natural immunity enhances
protection, both wane so boosters make a big difference, and no one
should seek out natural immunity rather than getting vaccinated). But,
you are kidding yourself if you think that only, or even most, people
who refused to get vaccinated had natural immunity. As Jeff said, how do
you even know unless you have been diagnosed?
As this article details
(https://www.thebulwark.com/two-years-of-covidiocy), while those on the
left have made mistakes (and your article mostly fairly chronicles
them), the mistakes on the right have been far worse. Lead among them are:
1) COVID is no worse than the flu.
2) Don't get vaccinated.
3) COVID was created to (pick your conspiracy theory).
On 3/16/2022 6:52 AM, Johnny wrote:
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those
least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci
and Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and
instead created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have
antibodies that neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that
the government did not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better
in preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having
both meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were
fired because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be
vaccinated.
I agree more leeway should have been given to those already infected (although getting a vaccine on top of natural immunity enhances
protection, both wane so boosters make a big difference, and no one
should seek out natural immunity rather than getting vaccinated).
But, you are kidding yourself if you think that only, or even most,
people who refused to get vaccinated had natural immunity. As Jeff
said, how do you even know unless you have been diagnosed?
As this article details
(https://www.thebulwark.com/two-years-of-covidiocy), while those on
the left have made mistakes (and your article mostly fairly
chronicles them), the mistakes on the right have been far worse. Lead
among them are:
1) COVID is no worse than the flu.
2) Don't get vaccinated.
3) COVID was created to (pick your conspiracy theory).
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 08:52:07 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had >natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those
least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci
and Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and instead >created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the
unvaccinated. In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have
antibodies that neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that
the government did not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better in >preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having both
meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were fired >because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be vaccinated.
I'm no Biden fan, to put it politely, but I greatly admire Trump's
Operation Warp Speed, and Trump or not, I am a fan of vaccines because
they work -- not perfectly, but close to it. So, my wife and I are
fully vaccinated and boosted.
What bothers me is this claim of "Natural Immunity". Please explain
HOW YOU KNOW you have natural immunity. Is it because you had the
disease, were diagnosed and hospitalized -- or is it just a feeling? I
have a feeling that in most cases it's just a "feeling". BTW if you
think getting sick is more effective than being vaccinated, you would
be wrong.
"Yes, the COVID-19 vaccines are recommended, even if you had COVID-19.
At present, evidence from Johns Hopkins Medicine and the U.S. Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) supports getting a COVID-19
vaccine as the best protection against getting COVID-19, whether you
have already had the virus or not." https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know
HAVE YOU BEEN VACCINATED?
BTW -- If you ever had Chicken Pox as a kid I strongly recommend
Shingrix vaccine. The Shingles are no fun -- you can be left
permanently in pain or even blinded.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:39:15 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/16/2022 6:52 AM, Johnny wrote:
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had
natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those
least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci
and Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and
instead created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the
unvaccinated. In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have
antibodies that neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that
the government did not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better
in preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having
both meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were
fired because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be
vaccinated.
I agree more leeway should have been given to those already infected
(although getting a vaccine on top of natural immunity enhances
protection, both wane so boosters make a big difference, and no one
should seek out natural immunity rather than getting vaccinated).
But, you are kidding yourself if you think that only, or even most,
people who refused to get vaccinated had natural immunity. As Jeff
said, how do you even know unless you have been diagnosed?
As this article details
(https://www.thebulwark.com/two-years-of-covidiocy), while those on
the left have made mistakes (and your article mostly fairly
chronicles them), the mistakes on the right have been far worse. Lead
among them are:
1) COVID is no worse than the flu.
How does anyone know if it was worse than the flu? There is a big
difference between a person dying from the virus, and a person dying
with the virus.
The tests were wrong half the time. When people were tested after they
died and were found to have the virus, the cause of death was listed as COVID-19. It didn't matter if the person was decapitated in car
accident, if they tested positive for the virus, the virus was the
cause of death. You tell me how any doctor doing an autopsy on a
decapitated person, can list the cause of death as COVID virus. Then
tell my why he did it.
2) Don't get vaccinated.
I don't think any rational person said don't get vaccinated.
3) COVID was created to (pick your conspiracy theory).
Wasn't it created? Did it just jump from bats to humans?
If a person did eat an infected bat, wouldn't just that one person have
the virus? How did the virus become airborne?
On 3/17/2022 6:10 AM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:39:15 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/16/2022 6:52 AM, Johnny wrote:
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who
had natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they
fired those least likely to spread the infection in the
workplace. Drs. Fauci and Rochelle Walensky never talked about
natural immunity and instead created the imprecise construct of
the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. In reality, most
unvaccinated Americans have antibodies that neutralized the
virus, but they are antibodies that the government did not
recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better
in preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having
both meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were
fired because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be
vaccinated.
I agree more leeway should have been given to those already
infected (although getting a vaccine on top of natural immunity
enhances protection, both wane so boosters make a big difference,
and no one should seek out natural immunity rather than getting
vaccinated). But, you are kidding yourself if you think that only,
or even most, people who refused to get vaccinated had natural
immunity. As Jeff said, how do you even know unless you have been
diagnosed?
As this article details
(https://www.thebulwark.com/two-years-of-covidiocy), while those on
the left have made mistakes (and your article mostly fairly
chronicles them), the mistakes on the right have been far worse.
Lead among them are:
1) COVID is no worse than the flu.
How does anyone know if it was worse than the flu? There is a big difference between a person dying from the virus, and a person dying
with the virus.
The tests were wrong half the time. When people were tested after
they died and were found to have the virus, the cause of death was
listed as COVID-19. It didn't matter if the person was decapitated
in car accident, if they tested positive for the virus, the virus
was the cause of death. You tell me how any doctor doing an
autopsy on a decapitated person, can list the cause of death as
COVID virus. Then tell my why he did it.
This is exactly the crap - made up out of whole cloth - that many on
the right have promulgated.
2) Don't get vaccinated.
I don't think any rational person said don't get vaccinated.
There are oodles of famous people who have made a public stance that
they won't get vaccinated because the vaccine is not safe or
effective. That's the equivalent of saying to others, don't get
vaccinated.
3) COVID was created to (pick your conspiracy theory).
Wasn't it created? Did it just jump from bats to humans?
If a person did eat an infected bat, wouldn't just that one person
have the virus? How did the virus become airborne?
FFS.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:37:06 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 08:52:07 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
I'm no Biden fan, to put it politely, but I greatly admire Trump's
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had
natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those
least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci
and Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and instead
created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the
unvaccinated. In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have
antibodies that neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that
the government did not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better in
preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having both
meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were fired
because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be vaccinated.
Operation Warp Speed, and Trump or not, I am a fan of vaccines because
they work -- not perfectly, but close to it. So, my wife and I are
fully vaccinated and boosted.
The vaccine is not even close to perfect. Haven't you been reading
about all the fully vaccinated people getting the virus. I read the
other day that Obama has it.
What bothers me is this claim of "Natural Immunity". Please explain
HOW YOU KNOW you have natural immunity. Is it because you had the
disease, were diagnosed and hospitalized -- or is it just a feeling? I
have a feeling that in most cases it's just a "feeling". BTW if you
think getting sick is more effective than being vaccinated, you would
be wrong.
Sen. Rand Paul told Newsmax Thursday that he's glad Democrats are
starting to recognize the importance of recognizing natural immunity in
the fight against COVID-19, but it's "two years late."
"Look, 78 million people have gotten the infection, but if you do
testing of random antibodies, you find out how many people were
infected. There's at least two more for every one or another 140
million, [so] about 200 million Americans have gotten this,...
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rand-paul-covid-natural-immunity/2022/02/10/id/1056339/
I think the doctors writing these stories are confusing people by
calling it natural immunity. I remember from 7th grade science class
that there are two types of immunity, natural and acquired. Natural
immunity is passed on from mother to child at birth, then there is
acquired immunity that come from being vaccinated, or from having and
illness and recovering from it.
"Yes, the COVID-19 vaccines are recommended, even if you had COVID-19.
At present, evidence from Johns Hopkins Medicine and the U.S. Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) supports getting a COVID-19
vaccine as the best protection against getting COVID-19, whether you
have already had the virus or not."
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know
HAVE YOU BEEN VACCINATED?
No. That was my choice, and I believe I said the same thing two years
ago. I knew then the symptoms of the virus were mild to non existent.
My wife is fully vaccinated, that was her choice.
The only people that needed the vaccine were old people in poor health,
and people with immune system disorders. People in good health did not
need the vaccine.
What I want to know is why do you care if I'm vaccinated? From the
article I posted: "they fired those least likely to spread the
infection in the workplace."
If you do get the virus it will probably be from some fully vaccinated person.
BTW -- If you ever had Chicken Pox as a kid I strongly recommend
Shingrix vaccine. The Shingles are no fun -- you can be left
permanently in pain or even blinded.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 08:39:43 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/17/2022 6:10 AM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:39:15 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/16/2022 6:52 AM, Johnny wrote:
By Dr. Marty Makary
Published March 16, 2022
Cut!
Ignoring natural immunity
Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who
had natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they
fired those least likely to spread the infection in the
workplace. Drs. Fauci and Rochelle Walensky never talked about
natural immunity and instead created the imprecise construct of
the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. In reality, most
unvaccinated Americans have antibodies that neutralized the
virus, but they are antibodies that the government did not
recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better
in preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having
both meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Because of Fauci's lies, people lost their jobs, soldiers were
dishonorably discharged, and nurses that were badly needed were
fired because they only had natural immunity, and refused to be
vaccinated.
I agree more leeway should have been given to those already
infected (although getting a vaccine on top of natural immunity
enhances protection, both wane so boosters make a big difference,
and no one should seek out natural immunity rather than getting
vaccinated). But, you are kidding yourself if you think that only,
or even most, people who refused to get vaccinated had natural
immunity. As Jeff said, how do you even know unless you have been
diagnosed?
As this article details
(https://www.thebulwark.com/two-years-of-covidiocy), while those on
the left have made mistakes (and your article mostly fairly
chronicles them), the mistakes on the right have been far worse.
Lead among them are:
1) COVID is no worse than the flu.
How does anyone know if it was worse than the flu? There is a big
difference between a person dying from the virus, and a person dying
with the virus.
The tests were wrong half the time. When people were tested after
they died and were found to have the virus, the cause of death was
listed as COVID-19. It didn't matter if the person was decapitated
in car accident, if they tested positive for the virus, the virus
was the cause of death. You tell me how any doctor doing an
autopsy on a decapitated person, can list the cause of death as
COVID virus. Then tell my why he did it.
This is exactly the crap - made up out of whole cloth - that many on
the right have promulgated.
It's not crap, it's a fact.
2) Don't get vaccinated.
I don't think any rational person said don't get vaccinated.
There are oodles of famous people who have made a public stance that
they won't get vaccinated because the vaccine is not safe or
effective. That's the equivalent of saying to others, don't get
vaccinated.
3) COVID was created to (pick your conspiracy theory).
Wasn't it created? Did it just jump from bats to humans?
If a person did eat an infected bat, wouldn't just that one person
have the virus? How did the virus become airborne?
FFS.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication to
logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of the
adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to discredit
all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus can't
be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like a car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death certificates list
the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death count can't be accurate.
Is that another loon theory?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify a death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and the virus
was not the cause of death?
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their benefit?
All this inaccurate information about the virus put Biden in office by changing the voting rules.
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication to
logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of the
adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to discredit
all conservatives.
On 3/17/2022 1:36 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication
to logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of
the adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to
discredit all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your
decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus
can't be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the
time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
The tests aren't wrong 50% of the time.
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like a
car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death
certificates list the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death
count can't be accurate.
There is no evidence that the cause of death is being listed as COVID
in such cases to anything more than anecdotes.
Is that another loon theory?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify a
death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and
the virus was not the cause of death?
He doesn't. That's your conspiracy theory articulated below. And
Jeff, it's right up there with the conspiracy theories that Trump won
because of fraud.
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their benefit?
All this inaccurate information about the virus put Biden in office
by changing the voting rules.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:44:07 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/17/2022 1:36 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication
to logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of
the adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to
discredit all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your
decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus
can't be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the
time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
The tests aren't wrong 50% of the time.
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like a
car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death
certificates list the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death
count can't be accurate.
There is no evidence that the cause of death is being listed as COVID
in such cases to anything more than anecdotes.
Of course there is, you just won't look for it.
Alameda County, California, is in hot water for miscounting their
coronavirus death toll, and other local health departments should take
note.
The county recorded 1,634 deaths, which was adjusted by a shocking 25
percent to 1,223 deaths.
The wildly inaccurate numbers result from the broad definition used by
the county, which counted the death as coronavirus related if there was
a positive test result taken at the time of death.
https://www.westernjournal.com/county-counted-car-crash-covid-death-finds-inflated-virus-death-toll-25-percent/
Is that another loon theory?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify a
death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and
the virus was not the cause of death?
He doesn't. That's your conspiracy theory articulated below. And
Jeff, it's right up there with the conspiracy theories that Trump won
because of fraud.
Biden won because of mail in voting, caused by the virus.
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their benefit?
All this inaccurate information about the virus put Biden in office
by changing the voting rules.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication to
logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of the
adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to discredit
all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus can't
be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like a car >accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death certificates list
the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death count can't be accurate.
Is that another loon theory?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify a death >certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and the virus
was not the cause of death?
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their benefit?
All this inaccurate information about the virus put Biden in office by >changing the voting rules.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:44:07 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/17/2022 1:36 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication
to logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of
the adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to
discredit all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your
decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus
can't be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the
time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
The tests aren't wrong 50% of the time.
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like a
car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death
certificates list the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death
count can't be accurate.
There is no evidence that the cause of death is being listed as COVID
in such cases to anything more than anecdotes.
Of course there is, you just won't look for it.
Alameda County, California, is in hot water for miscounting their
coronavirus death toll, and other local health departments should take
note.
The county recorded 1,634 deaths, which was adjusted by a shocking 25
percent to 1,223 deaths.
The wildly inaccurate numbers result from the broad definition used by
the county, which counted the death as coronavirus related if there was
a positive test result taken at the time of death.
https://www.westernjournal.com/county-counted-car-crash-covid-death-finds-inflated-virus-death-toll-25-percent/
Is that another loon theory?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify a
death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and
the virus was not the cause of death?
He doesn't. That's your conspiracy theory articulated below. And
Jeff, it's right up there with the conspiracy theories that Trump won
because of fraud.
Biden won because of mail in voting, caused by the virus.
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their benefit?
All this inaccurate information about the virus put Biden in office
by changing the voting rules.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:36:12 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication
to logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of
the adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to
discredit all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your
decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus can't
be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?Loon ...
"1 in 5 COVID-19 Tests Give False-Negative Results, Studies Find" https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19-rtpcr-tests-false-negative-results-5073062
Please note that false tests are false because they fail to detect the
virus -- NOT because they detect an infection that does not exist. As
the disease progresses the test becomes increasingly accurate. False
positive tests which fail to disclose a genuine COVID infection would understate the number of COVID deaths.
Source -- John Hopkins
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like a
car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death
certificates list the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death
count can't be accurate.
Is that another loon theory?
Obviously Loon unless you can prove it is or was a common occurrence
-- See above. Where's your proof from an impartial source?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify aWhere's your PROOF!!!
death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and
the virus was not the cause of death?
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their benefit?Nonsense! Pre-Biden Everyone realized that COVID-19 was a huge
All this inaccurate information about the virus put Biden in office
by changing the voting rules.
problem. That was not fake, it was a reality. Trump's problem was
Democrats not believing in his brilliant Operation Warp Speed, a plan
that probably saved millions of lives.
Trump put at least $1.6 billion in Operation Warp Speed -- a plan that Democrats claimed would not work -- a plan that would NOT save us from COVID-19.
"Democrats Try to Bring Operation Warp Speed to a Halt—So Much For
21st Century Cures" https://long.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=MYMLTVAGGLL6O
"House Democrats begin probe into Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine
initiative" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-begin-probe-trump-s-warp-speed-vaccine-initiative-n1236638
I voted for Trump twice, because I supported his policies, but after
his Jan 6 performance I doubt I would do it again. Mike Pence would
probably agree with me on that.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:54:58 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:44:07 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/17/2022 1:36 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a
dedication to logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that
infects fringe elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of
logic in favor of the adoption of loon theories that make it
easy for the mindless to criticize opposing political views. In
the end all that this accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a
convenient excuse to discredit all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your
decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus
can't be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the
time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
The tests aren't wrong 50% of the time.
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like
a car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death
certificates list the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death
count can't be accurate.
There is no evidence that the cause of death is being listed as
COVID in such cases to anything more than anecdotes.
Of course there is, you just won't look for it.
Alameda County, California, is in hot water for miscounting their >coronavirus death toll, and other local health departments should
take note.
The county recorded 1,634 deaths, which was adjusted by a shocking 25 >percent to 1,223 deaths.
The wildly inaccurate numbers result from the broad definition used
by the county, which counted the death as coronavirus related if
there was a positive test result taken at the time of death.
https://www.westernjournal.com/county-counted-car-crash-covid-death-finds-inflated-virus-death-toll-25-percent/
Is that another loon theory?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify a
death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and
the virus was not the cause of death?
He doesn't. That's your conspiracy theory articulated below. And
Jeff, it's right up there with the conspiracy theories that Trump
won because of fraud.
Biden won because of mail in voting, caused by the virus.
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their
benefit? All this inaccurate information about the virus put
Biden in office by changing the voting rules.
Should Pence have proclaimed that to be true, changed the Electoral
College ballot count, and proclaimed Trump to be the President?
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 18:52:43 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:54:58 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:44:07 -0700Should Pence have proclaimed that to be true, changed the Electoral
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/17/2022 1:36 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a
dedication to logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that
infects fringe elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of
logic in favor of the adoption of loon theories that make it
easy for the mindless to criticize opposing political views. In
the end all that this accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a
convenient excuse to discredit all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your
decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus
can't be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the
time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
The tests aren't wrong 50% of the time.
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like
a car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death
certificates list the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death
count can't be accurate.
There is no evidence that the cause of death is being listed as
COVID in such cases to anything more than anecdotes.
Of course there is, you just won't look for it.
Alameda County, California, is in hot water for miscounting their
coronavirus death toll, and other local health departments should
take note.
The county recorded 1,634 deaths, which was adjusted by a shocking 25
percent to 1,223 deaths.
The wildly inaccurate numbers result from the broad definition used
by the county, which counted the death as coronavirus related if
there was a positive test result taken at the time of death.
https://www.westernjournal.com/county-counted-car-crash-covid-death-finds-inflated-virus-death-toll-25-percent/
Is that another loon theory?
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify a
death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and
the virus was not the cause of death?
He doesn't. That's your conspiracy theory articulated below. And
Jeff, it's right up there with the conspiracy theories that Trump
won because of fraud.
Biden won because of mail in voting, caused by the virus.
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their
benefit? All this inaccurate information about the virus put
Biden in office by changing the voting rules.
College ballot count, and proclaimed Trump to be the President?
You know that's not how our laws work.
The Democrats started that lie of Trump refusing to leave office, and
you fell for it.
Trump was asked at a press conference if he would voluntarily leave
office. He said of course I will.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 17:47:49 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:36:12 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:40:18 -0700Loon ...
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
Johnny, I am a dedicated conservative. What brought me to
conservatism? A dedication to logic. Let me repeat -- a dedication
to logic. Your post is a symptom of a sickness that infects fringe
elements of conservatism -- the abandonment of logic in favor of
the adoption of loon theories that make it easy for the mindless to
criticize opposing political views. In the end all that this
accomplishes is a gift to the Left, a convenient excuse to
discredit all conservatives.
I'm the one that uses logic. I don't know how you make your
decisions.
To me it's logical the number of deaths attributed to the virus can't
be accurate when the tests are wrong fifty percent of the time.
Is that a loon theory, or a fact?
"1 in 5 COVID-19 Tests Give False-Negative Results, Studies Find"
https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19-rtpcr-tests-false-negative-results-5073062
Please note that false tests are false because they fail to detect the
virus -- NOT because they detect an infection that does not exist. As
the disease progresses the test becomes increasingly accurate. False
positive tests which fail to disclose a genuine COVID infection would
understate the number of COVID deaths.
Source -- John Hopkins
It makes no difference why the tests were wrong. If what they say is
true how do you explain Elon Musk taking four identical tests in one
day, and two were positive, and two were negative. It's very obvious
the tests were defective.
When a person's death is obviously not caused by the virus, like a
car accident, a stroke, or a heart attack, and the death
certificates list the cause of death as COVID-19, then the death
count can't be accurate.
Is that another loon theory?
Obviously Loon unless you can prove it is or was a common occurrence
-- See above. Where's your proof from an impartial source?
You don't up with the conversation, I gave an example of an impartial
source to Josh. It depends on each county's way of classifying deaths.
No matter what the rules of a county, a doctor should not sign a death >certificate that has the wrong cause of death.
Now for the question I asked Josh. Why would a doctor falsify aWhere's your PROOF!!!
death certificate, when he knew a person died in a car wreck, and
the virus was not the cause of death?
I just gave you proof.
Can't you see the Democrats have used this virus for their benefit?Nonsense! Pre-Biden Everyone realized that COVID-19 was a huge
All this inaccurate information about the virus put Biden in office
by changing the voting rules.
problem. That was not fake, it was a reality. Trump's problem was
Democrats not believing in his brilliant Operation Warp Speed, a plan
that probably saved millions of lives.
Nonsense? You say it's nonsense that changing the voting rules to
allow mail in voting didn't put Biden in office?
Trump put at least $1.6 billion in Operation Warp Speed -- a plan that
Democrats claimed would not work -- a plan that would NOT save us from
COVID-19.
"Democrats Try to Bring Operation Warp Speed to a Halt—So Much For
21st Century Cures"
https://long.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=MYMLTVAGGLL6O
"House Democrats begin probe into Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine
initiative"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-begin-probe-trump-s-warp-speed-vaccine-initiative-n1236638
I voted for Trump twice, because I supported his policies, but after
his Jan 6 performance I doubt I would do it again. Mike Pence would
probably agree with me on that.
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