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    From Johnny@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 07:14:28 2022
    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago

    Joe Rogan may be the most popular broadcaster in the English-speaking
    world right now. Every episode of his podcast "The Joe Rogan
    Experience" reaches about 11 million people, and some of the episodes
    get an audience many times that. How many people is that? It's a lot.

    For perspective, last night, CNN's highest-rated show had a little over
    700,000 viewers total. So Joe Rogan is big, and unlike CNN, he's not
    especially political. His show covers pretty much everything: comedy,
    science, nutrition, the paranormal, recreational drug use, exercise,
    mixed martial arts, music, Hollywood and a huge range of other topics,
    often with guests you've never heard of.

    Rogan is not a reactionary, unlike most people in the media, he doesn't
    think he already knows everything. He's genuinely curious, and so he
    lets his guests speak. His longest interview lasted for more than five
    hours with a standup comedian. When Rogan does talk about politics,
    it's pretty clear he's not an ideologue. He interviews everybody.
    Liberals and conservatives, as well as a lot of people like Mike Tyson,
    who could be either one. And he does it most of the time with respect
    and self-deprecation.

    He's not an expert on politics. He's not pretending to be one. Rogan
    just asks questions, and he notes the obvious. It's this last quality
    that makes the people in charge hate and fear Joe Rogan. If you're
    trying to sell an absurd, obviously untrue idea, it is possible that
    Joe Rogan is going to call you on it. Not because he's a partisan, he's
    not. But because he just can't help but notice. That's his secret. A
    few months ago, Rogan watched the White House press secretary lie about
    the FDA's approval process for Pfizer's COVID vaccine. So he said
    something about it. Watch.

    ROGAN: Jen Psaki's talking about misinformation online and combating misinformation. She distributed misinformation, because she said that
    it's approved by the FDA and their gold standard.

    Yeah. What he said was true. Rogan's pretty literal, actually. It's one
    of the reasons people trust him. And he was right in this case. Jen
    Psaki was lying to the country, and it wasn't even an especially clever
    lie. Anyone with internet access could have verified that what Jen
    Psaki said was a total crock, from the podium, too. But when Joe Rogan
    points this out, it really stings. A lot of the people listening to him
    believe him. And the White House took notice. So what happened next?
    Well, here's Jen Psaki from yesterday calling on Joe Rogan's employer
    to censor him. Watch.

    PSAKI: This disclaimer, it's a positive step, but we want every
    platform to continue doing more to call out misinformation and
    disinformation, while also uplifting accurate information. But
    ultimately, you know, our view is, it's a good step, it's a positive
    step, but there's more that can be done.


    There's more that can be done? Hey, you little fascist, that's a
    threat. That's exactly what it is. Politicians and their spokes chicks
    didn't use to talk this way. They were not allowed to talk this way
    because the First Amendment explicitly prohibits it.

    Continued:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to Johnny on Thu Feb 3 11:36:01 2022
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago >https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Thu Feb 3 19:31:26 2022
    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 22:19:23 2022
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to
    these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up. Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer
    than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    BTW, since the demise of soc.retirement, I have been posting to the non-political https://www.seniorforums.com/
    It was apparently begun as a place for seniors to discuss retirement
    issues, and met the same fate as soc.retirement -- consumed with name
    calling and bitter politics. The managers now forbid politics. Still,
    it can be frustratingly interesting at times. I'm the parrot.

    Frankly, the political forums I've approached all seem to be platforms
    to rant the same rote garbage. Not much in the way of reason, logic,
    or original thought. Getting tired of that, but if you know of
    something good I would be interested.

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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Fri Feb 4 08:40:03 2022
    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to
    these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up. Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer
    than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully
    approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax
    fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    BTW, since the demise of soc.retirement, I have been posting to the non-political https://www.seniorforums.com/
    It was apparently begun as a place for seniors to discuss retirement
    issues, and met the same fate as soc.retirement -- consumed with name
    calling and bitter politics. The managers now forbid politics. Still,
    it can be frustratingly interesting at times. I'm the parrot.

    Frankly, the political forums I've approached all seem to be platforms
    to rant the same rote garbage. Not much in the way of reason, logic,
    or original thought. Getting tired of that, but if you know of
    something good I would be interested.

    I enjoy the Volokh Conspiracy (http://reason.com/volokh). It's a
    law-focused blog run by Republican-leaning, First Amendment expert
    Eugene Volokh. I have learned quite a bit about the law through it
    (Volokh's posts often are educational, rather than opinionated). There
    are many contributors, some are very political, and the comments section
    can get heated (there are some regular trolls on both sides I dislike).
    I'm JoshR.

    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 10:24:54 2022
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it). >>
    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to
    these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up.
    Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer
    than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and
    vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her >statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully >approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax
    fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's
    not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue.
    In any event we owe our vaccines to Trump and the billions spent on
    Warp Speed -- a project that the Left said could not succeed.

    "Why Trumps Warp Speed Race for a COVID-19 Vaccine Is Dangerous and
    Likely to Fail" https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trumps-dangerous-warp-speed-race-for-a-covid-19-vaccine

    "House Democrats begin probe into Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine
    initiative" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-begin-probe-trump-s-warp-speed-vaccine-initiative-n1236638

    "Democrats Try to Bring Operation Warp Speed to a HaltSo Much For
    21st Century Cures" https://long.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=MYMLTVAGGLL6O

    Needless to say, the wife and I are fully vaccinated and boosted, but
    we both acquired, at a Christmas party, what I believe was Omicron. It
    was what I would call a cold from Hell. No hospital necessary and we
    are both fine. I suspect many anti-vaxers are not political, but are
    reluctant to admit that they suffer from a needle phobia called
    Trypanophobia. I have a niece who faints when stuck with a needle.

    BTW, since the demise of soc.retirement, I have been posting to the
    non-political https://www.seniorforums.com/
    It was apparently begun as a place for seniors to discuss retirement
    issues, and met the same fate as soc.retirement -- consumed with name
    calling and bitter politics. The managers now forbid politics. Still,
    it can be frustratingly interesting at times. I'm the parrot.

    Frankly, the political forums I've approached all seem to be platforms
    to rant the same rote garbage. Not much in the way of reason, logic,
    or original thought. Getting tired of that, but if you know of
    something good I would be interested.

    I enjoy the Volokh Conspiracy (http://reason.com/volokh). It's a
    law-focused blog run by Republican-leaning, First Amendment expert
    Eugene Volokh. I have learned quite a bit about the law through it
    (Volokh's posts often are educational, rather than opinionated). There
    are many contributors, some are very political, and the comments section
    can get heated (there are some regular trolls on both sides I dislike).
    I'm JoshR.

    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 11:15:49 2022
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it). >>
    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to
    these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up.
    Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer
    than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and
    vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her >statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully >approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax
    fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    BTW, since the demise of soc.retirement, I have been posting to the
    non-political https://www.seniorforums.com/
    It was apparently begun as a place for seniors to discuss retirement
    issues, and met the same fate as soc.retirement -- consumed with name
    calling and bitter politics. The managers now forbid politics. Still,
    it can be frustratingly interesting at times. I'm the parrot.

    Frankly, the political forums I've approached all seem to be platforms
    to rant the same rote garbage. Not much in the way of reason, logic,
    or original thought. Getting tired of that, but if you know of
    something good I would be interested.

    I enjoy the Volokh Conspiracy (http://reason.com/volokh). It's a
    law-focused blog run by Republican-leaning, First Amendment expert
    Eugene Volokh. I have learned quite a bit about the law through it
    (Volokh's posts often are educational, rather than opinionated). There
    are many contributors, some are very political, and the comments section
    can get heated (there are some regular trolls on both sides I dislike).
    I'm JoshR.

    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Fri Feb 4 14:57:56 2022
    On 2/4/2022 11:15 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote: >>>>>


    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition >>>>> that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech >>>>> with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to
    these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up.
    Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer
    than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and
    vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her
    statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully
    approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax
    fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    BTW, since the demise of soc.retirement, I have been posting to the
    non-political https://www.seniorforums.com/
    It was apparently begun as a place for seniors to discuss retirement
    issues, and met the same fate as soc.retirement -- consumed with name
    calling and bitter politics. The managers now forbid politics. Still,
    it can be frustratingly interesting at times. I'm the parrot.

    Frankly, the political forums I've approached all seem to be platforms
    to rant the same rote garbage. Not much in the way of reason, logic,
    or original thought. Getting tired of that, but if you know of
    something good I would be interested.

    I enjoy the Volokh Conspiracy (http://reason.com/volokh). It's a
    law-focused blog run by Republican-leaning, First Amendment expert
    Eugene Volokh. I have learned quite a bit about the law through it
    (Volokh's posts often are educational, rather than opinionated). There
    are many contributors, some are very political, and the comments section
    can get heated (there are some regular trolls on both sides I dislike).
    I'm JoshR.

    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Fri Feb 4 15:00:51 2022
    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote: >>>>>


    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and
    soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted
    these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition >>>>> that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech >>>>> with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to
    these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up.
    Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer
    than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and
    vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her
    statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully
    approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax
    fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's
    not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue.


    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are
    bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson
    isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the
    vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for
    example, RFK Jr.).

    In any event we owe our vaccines to Trump and the billions spent on
    Warp Speed -- a project that the Left said could not succeed.

    "Why Trump’s “Warp Speed” Race for a COVID-19 Vaccine Is Dangerous and Likely to Fail" https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trumps-dangerous-warp-speed-race-for-a-covid-19-vaccine

    "House Democrats begin probe into Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine
    initiative" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-begin-probe-trump-s-warp-speed-vaccine-initiative-n1236638

    "Democrats Try to Bring Operation Warp Speed to a Halt—So Much For
    21st Century Cures" https://long.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=MYMLTVAGGLL6O

    Needless to say, the wife and I are fully vaccinated and boosted, but
    we both acquired, at a Christmas party, what I believe was Omicron. It
    was what I would call a cold from Hell. No hospital necessary and we
    are both fine. I suspect many anti-vaxers are not political, but are reluctant to admit that they suffer from a needle phobia called Trypanophobia. I have a niece who faints when stuck with a needle.

    Good to hear you are fine.

    BTW, since the demise of soc.retirement, I have been posting to the
    non-political https://www.seniorforums.com/
    It was apparently begun as a place for seniors to discuss retirement
    issues, and met the same fate as soc.retirement -- consumed with name
    calling and bitter politics. The managers now forbid politics. Still,
    it can be frustratingly interesting at times. I'm the parrot.

    Frankly, the political forums I've approached all seem to be platforms
    to rant the same rote garbage. Not much in the way of reason, logic,
    or original thought. Getting tired of that, but if you know of
    something good I would be interested.

    I enjoy the Volokh Conspiracy (http://reason.com/volokh). It's a
    law-focused blog run by Republican-leaning, First Amendment expert
    Eugene Volokh. I have learned quite a bit about the law through it
    (Volokh's posts often are educational, rather than opinionated). There
    are many contributors, some are very political, and the comments section
    can get heated (there are some regular trolls on both sides I dislike).
    I'm JoshR.

    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to islander on Fri Feb 4 15:57:27 2022
    On 2/4/2022 3:32 PM, islander wrote:
    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents).  Primary reason was access to
    health care.  We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
     When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good).  We are also guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it.  After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know!  I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me.  I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing.  There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable.  I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums.  A wider variety of discussion in both.  Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few false starts, that seems to have petered out.  I occasionally read soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Nice to hear the update.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From islander@21:1/5 to Josh Rosenbluth on Fri Feb 4 15:32:01 2022
    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 16:59:19 2022
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:00:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote: >>>>>>


    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they
    disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and >>>>>> soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted >>>>>> these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition >>>>>> that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech >>>>>> with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to
    these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up. >>>> Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer
    than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and >>>> vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her >>> statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully
    approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax
    fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's
    not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue.


    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are
    bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson
    isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the >vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for
    example, RFK Jr.).

    Personally I have no problem with vaccine mandates and I particularly
    have no problem with discharging soldiers who refuse. I spent five
    years in the service and stood in more than one line waiting to be
    stuck. To do otherwise was unthinkable. I was even ordered to donate
    blood. When you are in the military you do as ordered -- or else.

    Can civilians who come in contact with each other and the public be
    ordered by their employer to get vaccinated or terminated? I don't
    have a problem with that.

    Regarding Tucker Carlson, I am a daily Fox listener and I have
    personally never heard him declare that "vaccines are bad".
    In fact ...
    "After he was accused of spreading vaccine misinformation, Fox News
    host Tucker Carlson has said that there may be "profound benefits" to
    the COVID-19 vaccine. Those benefits include lowering the severity of
    symptoms and hospitalizations related to the virus, Carlson said.
    "There may well be profound benefits to the vaccine," Carlson stated
    on his Monday night broadcast. "My understanding is that the vaccine
    does have benefits."
    "It seems to various vaccines seem to lower the effects of the
    disease, make it less severe on people," he continued. "They're less
    likely to go to the hospital to take for taking that. That completely
    makes sense."
    "Carlson's comments came after a July 16 study from the media watchdog
    group Media Matters which found that 60 percent of Fox News'
    vaccination segments over a recent two-week period pushed
    "anti-vaccine propaganda." https://www.newsweek.com/profound-benefits-tucker-carlson-says-vaccine-lowers-covid-severity-hospitalizations-1611279

    In any event this conservative and daily Fox listener drove 100 miles
    round trip in February 2021 to get Moderna, my wife Pfizer, and a few
    weeks later, the second shot. We were both in line for boosters as
    soon as they were available -- and got flu shots at the same time.

    In any event we owe our vaccines to Trump and the billions spent on
    Warp Speed -- a project that the Left said could not succeed.

    "Why Trumps Warp Speed Race for a COVID-19 Vaccine Is Dangerous and
    Likely to Fail"
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trumps-dangerous-warp-speed-race-for-a-covid-19-vaccine

    "House Democrats begin probe into Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine
    initiative"
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-begin-probe-trump-s-warp-speed-vaccine-initiative-n1236638

    "Democrats Try to Bring Operation Warp Speed to a HaltSo Much For
    21st Century Cures"
    https://long.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=MYMLTVAGGLL6O

    Needless to say, the wife and I are fully vaccinated and boosted, but
    we both acquired, at a Christmas party, what I believe was Omicron. It
    was what I would call a cold from Hell. No hospital necessary and we
    are both fine. I suspect many anti-vaxers are not political, but are
    reluctant to admit that they suffer from a needle phobia called
    Trypanophobia. I have a niece who faints when stuck with a needle.

    Good to hear you are fine.

    BTW, since the demise of soc.retirement, I have been posting to the
    non-political https://www.seniorforums.com/
    It was apparently begun as a place for seniors to discuss retirement
    issues, and met the same fate as soc.retirement -- consumed with name
    calling and bitter politics. The managers now forbid politics. Still,
    it can be frustratingly interesting at times. I'm the parrot.

    Frankly, the political forums I've approached all seem to be platforms >>>> to rant the same rote garbage. Not much in the way of reason, logic,
    or original thought. Getting tired of that, but if you know of
    something good I would be interested.

    I enjoy the Volokh Conspiracy (http://reason.com/volokh). It's a
    law-focused blog run by Republican-leaning, First Amendment expert
    Eugene Volokh. I have learned quite a bit about the law through it
    (Volokh's posts often are educational, rather than opinionated). There
    are many contributors, some are very political, and the comments section >>> can get heated (there are some regular trolls on both sides I dislike).
    I'm JoshR.

    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Fri Feb 4 18:51:13 2022
    On 2/4/2022 4:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:00:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote: >>>>>>>


    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they >>>>>>> disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and >>>>>>> soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted >>>>>>> these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition >>>>>>> that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech >>>>>>> with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to >>>>> these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make
    his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up. >>>>> Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer >>>>> than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and >>>>> vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8

    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her >>>> statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully
    approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax
    fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's
    not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue.


    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are
    bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson
    isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the
    vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for
    example, RFK Jr.).

    Personally I have no problem with vaccine mandates and I particularly
    have no problem with discharging soldiers who refuse. I spent five
    years in the service and stood in more than one line waiting to be
    stuck. To do otherwise was unthinkable. I was even ordered to donate
    blood. When you are in the military you do as ordered -- or else.

    Can civilians who come in contact with each other and the public be
    ordered by their employer to get vaccinated or terminated? I don't
    have a problem with that.

    Regarding Tucker Carlson, I am a daily Fox listener and I have
    personally never heard him declare that "vaccines are bad".
    In fact ...
    "After he was accused of spreading vaccine misinformation, Fox News
    host Tucker Carlson has said that there may be "profound benefits" to
    the COVID-19 vaccine. Those benefits include lowering the severity of symptoms and hospitalizations related to the virus, Carlson said.
    "There may well be profound benefits to the vaccine," Carlson stated
    on his Monday night broadcast. "My understanding is that the vaccine
    does have benefits."
    "It seems to various vaccines seem to lower the effects of the
    disease, make it less severe on people," he continued. "They're less
    likely to go to the hospital to take for taking that. That completely
    makes sense."
    "Carlson's comments came after a July 16 study from the media watchdog
    group Media Matters which found that 60 percent of Fox News'
    vaccination segments over a recent two-week period pushed
    "anti-vaccine propaganda." https://www.newsweek.com/profound-benefits-tucker-carlson-says-vaccine-lowers-covid-severity-hospitalizations-1611279

    That does not let Carlson off the hook for claiming the Pfizer vaccine
    has not been fully approved by the FDA.

    In any event this conservative and daily Fox listener drove 100 miles
    round trip in February 2021 to get Moderna, my wife Pfizer, and a few
    weeks later, the second shot. We were both in line for boosters as
    soon as they were available -- and got flu shots at the same time.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 22:21:09 2022
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:51:13 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 4:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:00:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>


    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they >>>>>>>> disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and >>>>>>>> soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted >>>>>>>> these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition >>>>>>>> that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech >>>>>>>> with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to >>>>>> these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make >>>>>> his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up. >>>>>> Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer >>>>>> than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and >>>>>> vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8 >>>>>
    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson.
    Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a
    positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her >>>>> statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government
    against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully >>>>> approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax >>>>> fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's
    not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue.


    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are
    bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson
    isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the
    vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for
    example, RFK Jr.).

    Personally I have no problem with vaccine mandates and I particularly
    have no problem with discharging soldiers who refuse. I spent five
    years in the service and stood in more than one line waiting to be
    stuck. To do otherwise was unthinkable. I was even ordered to donate
    blood. When you are in the military you do as ordered -- or else.

    Can civilians who come in contact with each other and the public be
    ordered by their employer to get vaccinated or terminated? I don't
    have a problem with that.

    Regarding Tucker Carlson, I am a daily Fox listener and I have
    personally never heard him declare that "vaccines are bad".
    In fact ...
    "After he was accused of spreading vaccine misinformation, Fox News
    host Tucker Carlson has said that there may be "profound benefits" to
    the COVID-19 vaccine. Those benefits include lowering the severity of
    symptoms and hospitalizations related to the virus, Carlson said.
    "There may well be profound benefits to the vaccine," Carlson stated
    on his Monday night broadcast. "My understanding is that the vaccine
    does have benefits."
    "It seems to various vaccines seem to lower the effects of the
    disease, make it less severe on people," he continued. "They're less
    likely to go to the hospital to take for taking that. That completely
    makes sense."
    "Carlson's comments came after a July 16 study from the media watchdog
    group Media Matters which found that 60 percent of Fox News'
    vaccination segments over a recent two-week period pushed
    "anti-vaccine propaganda."
    https://www.newsweek.com/profound-benefits-tucker-carlson-says-vaccine-lowers-covid-severity-hospitalizations-1611279

    That does not let Carlson off the hook for claiming the Pfizer vaccine
    has not been fully approved by the FDA.

    In any event this conservative and daily Fox listener drove 100 miles
    round trip in February 2021 to get Moderna, my wife Pfizer, and a few
    weeks later, the second shot. We were both in line for boosters as
    soon as they were available -- and got flu shots at the same time.

    I'm not in the business of defending, or approving, everything Tucker
    Carlson says, but if he made the claim prior to August 23, 2021 that
    the Pfizer vaccine had "not been fully approved by the FDA" , he was
    correct.

    From the FDA's own web site:

    "FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine"
    "For Immediate Release: August 23, 2021"
    "Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first
    COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech
    COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty
    (koe-mir-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in
    individuals 16 years of age and older." ... https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

    The vaccines my wife and I received were not fully approved and had
    been distributed under an EUA -- "Emergency Use Authorization". Had we
    realized that would we have taken the shot? Absolutely.

    While we are discussing things medical, here is an interesting subject
    for people of, ahem, our age:

    December 1, 2020
    "Drug Reverses Age-Related Mental Decline Within Days
    Rapid Rejuvenation of Mental Faculties in Aged Mice Implicates
    Reversible Physiological Blockage Behind Age-Related Cognitive
    Losses" https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days

    "In 2021, Calico announced that human safety trials had begun on the
    first drug candidate for neurodegenerative diseases it had developed
    based on ISRIB, and that a study in ALS patients was slated to begin
    later in the year." https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2022/01/towards-clinical-trials-for-isrib/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Sat Feb 5 08:48:15 2022
    On 2/4/2022 10:21 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:51:13 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 4:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:00:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>


    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they >>>>>>>>> disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and >>>>>>>>> soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted >>>>>>>>> these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition >>>>>>>>> that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech >>>>>>>>> with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to >>>>>>> these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make >>>>>>> his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up. >>>>>>> Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer >>>>>>> than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and >>>>>>> vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8 >>>>>>
    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson. >>>>>> Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a >>>>>> positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her >>>>>> statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government >>>>>> against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully >>>>>> approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax >>>>>> fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's >>>>> not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue.


    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are >>>> bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson
    isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the >>>> vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for
    example, RFK Jr.).

    Personally I have no problem with vaccine mandates and I particularly
    have no problem with discharging soldiers who refuse. I spent five
    years in the service and stood in more than one line waiting to be
    stuck. To do otherwise was unthinkable. I was even ordered to donate
    blood. When you are in the military you do as ordered -- or else.

    Can civilians who come in contact with each other and the public be
    ordered by their employer to get vaccinated or terminated? I don't
    have a problem with that.

    Regarding Tucker Carlson, I am a daily Fox listener and I have
    personally never heard him declare that "vaccines are bad".
    In fact ...
    "After he was accused of spreading vaccine misinformation, Fox News
    host Tucker Carlson has said that there may be "profound benefits" to
    the COVID-19 vaccine. Those benefits include lowering the severity of
    symptoms and hospitalizations related to the virus, Carlson said.
    "There may well be profound benefits to the vaccine," Carlson stated
    on his Monday night broadcast. "My understanding is that the vaccine
    does have benefits."
    "It seems to various vaccines seem to lower the effects of the
    disease, make it less severe on people," he continued. "They're less
    likely to go to the hospital to take for taking that. That completely
    makes sense."
    "Carlson's comments came after a July 16 study from the media watchdog
    group Media Matters which found that 60 percent of Fox News'
    vaccination segments over a recent two-week period pushed
    "anti-vaccine propaganda."
    https://www.newsweek.com/profound-benefits-tucker-carlson-says-vaccine-lowers-covid-severity-hospitalizations-1611279

    That does not let Carlson off the hook for claiming the Pfizer vaccine
    has not been fully approved by the FDA.

    In any event this conservative and daily Fox listener drove 100 miles
    round trip in February 2021 to get Moderna, my wife Pfizer, and a few
    weeks later, the second shot. We were both in line for boosters as
    soon as they were available -- and got flu shots at the same time.

    I'm not in the business of defending, or approving, everything Tucker
    Carlson says, but if he made the claim prior to August 23, 2021 that
    the Pfizer vaccine had "not been fully approved by the FDA" , he was
    correct.

    In the original article from yesterday, Carlson writes that Joe Rogan
    was correct when he said earlier this week, "Jen Psaki's talking about misinformation online and combating misinformation. She distributed misinformation, because she said that it's approved by the FDA and their
    gold standard."

    From the FDA's own web site:

    "FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine"
    "For Immediate Release: August 23, 2021"
    "Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first
    COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech
    COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty
    (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in
    individuals 16 years of age and older." ... https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

    The vaccines my wife and I received were not fully approved and had
    been distributed under an EUA -- "Emergency Use Authorization". Had we realized that would we have taken the shot? Absolutely.

    While we are discussing things medical, here is an interesting subject
    for people of, ahem, our age:

    December 1, 2020
    "Drug Reverses Age-Related Mental Decline Within Days
    Rapid Rejuvenation of Mental Faculties in Aged Mice Implicates
    Reversible Physiological ‘Blockage’ Behind Age-Related Cognitive
    Losses" https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days

    "In 2021, Calico announced that human safety trials had begun on the
    first drug candidate for neurodegenerative diseases it had developed
    based on ISRIB, and that a study in ALS patients was slated to begin
    later in the year." https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2022/01/towards-clinical-trials-for-isrib/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 5 12:14:40 2022
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 08:48:15 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:21 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:51:13 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 4:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:00:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they >>>>>>>>>> disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and >>>>>>>>>> soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted >>>>>>>>>> these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to >>>>>>>> these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make >>>>>>>> his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up. >>>>>>>> Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer >>>>>>>> than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and >>>>>>>> vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8 >>>>>>>
    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson. >>>>>>> Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a >>>>>>> positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her
    statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government >>>>>>> against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully >>>>>>> approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax >>>>>>> fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's >>>>>> not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue. >>>>>

    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are >>>>> bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson >>>>> isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the >>>>> vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for
    example, RFK Jr.).

    Personally I have no problem with vaccine mandates and I particularly
    have no problem with discharging soldiers who refuse. I spent five
    years in the service and stood in more than one line waiting to be
    stuck. To do otherwise was unthinkable. I was even ordered to donate
    blood. When you are in the military you do as ordered -- or else.

    Can civilians who come in contact with each other and the public be
    ordered by their employer to get vaccinated or terminated? I don't
    have a problem with that.

    Regarding Tucker Carlson, I am a daily Fox listener and I have
    personally never heard him declare that "vaccines are bad".
    In fact ...
    "After he was accused of spreading vaccine misinformation, Fox News
    host Tucker Carlson has said that there may be "profound benefits" to
    the COVID-19 vaccine. Those benefits include lowering the severity of
    symptoms and hospitalizations related to the virus, Carlson said.
    "There may well be profound benefits to the vaccine," Carlson stated
    on his Monday night broadcast. "My understanding is that the vaccine
    does have benefits."
    "It seems to various vaccines seem to lower the effects of the
    disease, make it less severe on people," he continued. "They're less
    likely to go to the hospital to take for taking that. That completely
    makes sense."
    "Carlson's comments came after a July 16 study from the media watchdog >>>> group Media Matters which found that 60 percent of Fox News'
    vaccination segments over a recent two-week period pushed
    "anti-vaccine propaganda."
    https://www.newsweek.com/profound-benefits-tucker-carlson-says-vaccine-lowers-covid-severity-hospitalizations-1611279

    That does not let Carlson off the hook for claiming the Pfizer vaccine
    has not been fully approved by the FDA.

    In any event this conservative and daily Fox listener drove 100 miles
    round trip in February 2021 to get Moderna, my wife Pfizer, and a few
    weeks later, the second shot. We were both in line for boosters as
    soon as they were available -- and got flu shots at the same time.

    I'm not in the business of defending, or approving, everything Tucker
    Carlson says, but if he made the claim prior to August 23, 2021 that
    the Pfizer vaccine had "not been fully approved by the FDA" , he was
    correct.

    In the original article from yesterday, Carlson writes that Joe Rogan
    was correct when he said earlier this week, "Jen Psaki's talking about >misinformation online and combating misinformation. She distributed >misinformation, because she said that it's approved by the FDA and their
    gold standard."

    This is where Psaki (not the FDA) said it ("gold standard")-- on July
    26, 2021:

    "Q And then a follow-up on COVID: Were hearing from health experts
    who are increasingly voicing their concern for the FDA having yet to
    grant full approval to COVID vaccines. Folks are using phrases like
    grave mistake, puzzling as to why they havent yet. What is your understanding as to why we have not seen full approval yet from the
    FDA? And do you have any, kind of, expectation for when we might?

    MS. PSAKI: Well, the FDA is the gold standard, in our view, and they
    move at the speed of science. They look at a range of data and they
    make sure that when they make conclusions and when they give full
    approval, they have confidence in the science and the data that backs
    that up. It wouldnt be responsible to expedite that process at a
    faster speed than the science and data allows." https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/26/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-26-2021/

    When Psaki said those words, "Gold Standard", the FDA had not granted
    Full Approval -- which it would do the following month on August 23.
    Here again is the FDA "Full Approval" announcement. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
    At the time of Psaki's statement the status of the FDA approval was
    EUA -- Emergency Use Authorization. Call that a "Gold Standard" if you
    wish, but "Full Approval" would not come until August 23.









    From the FDA's own web site:

    "FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine"
    "For Immediate Release: August 23, 2021"
    "Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first
    COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech
    COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty
    (koe-mir-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in
    individuals 16 years of age and older." ...
    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

    The vaccines my wife and I received were not fully approved and had
    been distributed under an EUA -- "Emergency Use Authorization". Had we
    realized that would we have taken the shot? Absolutely.

    While we are discussing things medical, here is an interesting subject
    for people of, ahem, our age:

    December 1, 2020
    "Drug Reverses Age-Related Mental Decline Within Days
    Rapid Rejuvenation of Mental Faculties in Aged Mice Implicates
    Reversible Physiological Blockage Behind Age-Related Cognitive
    Losses"
    https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days

    "In 2021, Calico announced that human safety trials had begun on the
    first drug candidate for neurodegenerative diseases it had developed
    based on ISRIB, and that a study in ALS patients was slated to begin
    later in the year."
    https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2022/01/towards-clinical-trials-for-isrib/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Sat Feb 5 12:49:38 2022
    On 2/5/2022 12:14 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 08:48:15 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:21 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:51:13 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 4:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:00:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they >>>>>>>>>>> disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and >>>>>>>>>>> soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted >>>>>>>>>>> these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to >>>>>>>>> these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make >>>>>>>>> his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up.
    Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer >>>>>>>>> than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and
    vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8 >>>>>>>>
    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson. >>>>>>>> Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a >>>>>>>> positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her
    statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government >>>>>>>> against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully >>>>>>>> approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax >>>>>>>> fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's >>>>>>> not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue. >>>>>>

    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are >>>>>> bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson >>>>>> isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the >>>>>> vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for
    example, RFK Jr.).

    Personally I have no problem with vaccine mandates and I particularly >>>>> have no problem with discharging soldiers who refuse. I spent five
    years in the service and stood in more than one line waiting to be
    stuck. To do otherwise was unthinkable. I was even ordered to donate >>>>> blood. When you are in the military you do as ordered -- or else.

    Can civilians who come in contact with each other and the public be
    ordered by their employer to get vaccinated or terminated? I don't
    have a problem with that.

    Regarding Tucker Carlson, I am a daily Fox listener and I have
    personally never heard him declare that "vaccines are bad".
    In fact ...
    "After he was accused of spreading vaccine misinformation, Fox News
    host Tucker Carlson has said that there may be "profound benefits" to >>>>> the COVID-19 vaccine. Those benefits include lowering the severity of >>>>> symptoms and hospitalizations related to the virus, Carlson said.
    "There may well be profound benefits to the vaccine," Carlson stated >>>>> on his Monday night broadcast. "My understanding is that the vaccine >>>>> does have benefits."
    "It seems to various vaccines seem to lower the effects of the
    disease, make it less severe on people," he continued. "They're less >>>>> likely to go to the hospital to take for taking that. That completely >>>>> makes sense."
    "Carlson's comments came after a July 16 study from the media watchdog >>>>> group Media Matters which found that 60 percent of Fox News'
    vaccination segments over a recent two-week period pushed
    "anti-vaccine propaganda."
    https://www.newsweek.com/profound-benefits-tucker-carlson-says-vaccine-lowers-covid-severity-hospitalizations-1611279

    That does not let Carlson off the hook for claiming the Pfizer vaccine >>>> has not been fully approved by the FDA.

    In any event this conservative and daily Fox listener drove 100 miles >>>>> round trip in February 2021 to get Moderna, my wife Pfizer, and a few >>>>> weeks later, the second shot. We were both in line for boosters as
    soon as they were available -- and got flu shots at the same time.

    I'm not in the business of defending, or approving, everything Tucker
    Carlson says, but if he made the claim prior to August 23, 2021 that
    the Pfizer vaccine had "not been fully approved by the FDA" , he was
    correct.

    In the original article from yesterday, Carlson writes that Joe Rogan
    was correct when he said earlier this week, "Jen Psaki's talking about
    misinformation online and combating misinformation. She distributed
    misinformation, because she said that it's approved by the FDA and their
    gold standard."

    This is where Psaki (not the FDA) said it ("gold standard")-- on July
    26, 2021:

    "Q And then a follow-up on COVID: We’re hearing from health experts
    who are increasingly voicing their concern for the FDA having yet to
    grant full approval to COVID vaccines. Folks are using phrases like
    “grave mistake,” “puzzling as to why they haven’t yet.” What is your
    understanding as to why we have not seen full approval yet from the
    FDA? And do you have any, kind of, expectation for when we might?

    MS. PSAKI: Well, the FDA is the gold standard, in our view, and they
    move at the speed of science. They look at a range of data and they
    make sure that when they make conclusions and when they give full
    approval, they have confidence in the science and the data that backs
    that up. It wouldn’t be responsible to expedite that process at a
    faster speed than the science and data allows." https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/26/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-26-2021/

    When Psaki said those words, "Gold Standard", the FDA had not granted
    Full Approval -- which it would do the following month on August 23.
    Here again is the FDA "Full Approval" announcement. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
    At the time of Psaki's statement the status of the FDA approval was
    EUA -- Emergency Use Authorization. Call that a "Gold Standard" if you
    wish, but "Full Approval" would not come until August 23.

    Again, Carlson agreed with Rogan who claimed, "Jen Psaki [...] said that
    it's approved by the FDA and their gold standard."

    Psaki did not say it was approved on the date of your quote (of course).
    But, it was approved after that, implicitly according to Psaki, using
    the gold standard. But Rogan and Carlson insist that approval never came.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to islander on Sat Feb 5 12:48:30 2022
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond >(Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also >guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of >discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Sat Feb 5 12:50:49 2022
    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's leader." AMEN! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 5 18:35:35 2022
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:49:38 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:14 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 08:48:15 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:21 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:51:13 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 4:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:00:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 10:24 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:40:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 10:19 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:31:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/3/2022 11:36 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:14:28 -0600, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:



    By Tucker Carlson
    Published 8 hours ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-podcast-censorship-joe-rogan-coronavirus

    The Left's natural inclination is to silence those with whom they >>>>>>>>>>>> disagree, and that is what makes the First Amendment the heart and >>>>>>>>>>>> soul of the US Constitution. Beware hate speech laws. Once enacted >>>>>>>>>>>> these laws always come down to the definition of "hate", a definition
    that, if allowed, will continuously grow and broaden until any speech
    with which the Left disagrees is defined as hate.

    The article has nothing to do with hate speech (did you bother to read it).

    No. But I do I watch Fox, and CNN to a lesser extent. I'm opposed to >>>>>>>>>> these lengthy pieces that Johnny posts. I've suggested that he make >>>>>>>>>> his own point and use brief excerpts and unbiased links to back it up.
    Expecting anyone, particularly a liberal, to read a Fox piece longer >>>>>>>>>> than my arm to make a conservative point is at best unrealistic -- and
    vice-versa. So, I just went off on a free speech rant of my own. (-8 >>>>>>>>>
    Understood.

    I will summarize for you. The article is written by Tucker Carlson. >>>>>>>>> Biden's press secretary complimented Spotify for censoring
    misinformation about COVID (*) by saying "it's a good step, it's a >>>>>>>>> positive step, but there's more that can be done." Carlson concluded her
    statement amounted to an unconstitutional threat by the government >>>>>>>>> against speech.

    (*) The misinformation was that the Pfizer vaccine had not been fully >>>>>>>>> approved by the FDA (it has). But Carlson and others on the anti-vax >>>>>>>>> fringe continue to insist otherwise.

    I realize that Fox, and the Right, are portrayed as anti-vax. That's >>>>>>>> not the way I see it. I believe they see it as a human rights issue. >>>>>>>

    There's an argument (a weak one in my view) that vaccines mandates are >>>>>>> bad. And many on the right are making that argument. However, Carlson >>>>>>> isn't (just) arguing that vaccines mandates are bad. He is arguing the >>>>>>> vaccines are bad. And that's not a disease of the right (see for >>>>>>> example, RFK Jr.).

    Personally I have no problem with vaccine mandates and I particularly >>>>>> have no problem with discharging soldiers who refuse. I spent five >>>>>> years in the service and stood in more than one line waiting to be >>>>>> stuck. To do otherwise was unthinkable. I was even ordered to donate >>>>>> blood. When you are in the military you do as ordered -- or else.

    Can civilians who come in contact with each other and the public be >>>>>> ordered by their employer to get vaccinated or terminated? I don't >>>>>> have a problem with that.

    Regarding Tucker Carlson, I am a daily Fox listener and I have
    personally never heard him declare that "vaccines are bad".
    In fact ...
    "After he was accused of spreading vaccine misinformation, Fox News >>>>>> host Tucker Carlson has said that there may be "profound benefits" to >>>>>> the COVID-19 vaccine. Those benefits include lowering the severity of >>>>>> symptoms and hospitalizations related to the virus, Carlson said.
    "There may well be profound benefits to the vaccine," Carlson stated >>>>>> on his Monday night broadcast. "My understanding is that the vaccine >>>>>> does have benefits."
    "It seems to various vaccines seem to lower the effects of the
    disease, make it less severe on people," he continued. "They're less >>>>>> likely to go to the hospital to take for taking that. That completely >>>>>> makes sense."
    "Carlson's comments came after a July 16 study from the media watchdog >>>>>> group Media Matters which found that 60 percent of Fox News'
    vaccination segments over a recent two-week period pushed
    "anti-vaccine propaganda."
    https://www.newsweek.com/profound-benefits-tucker-carlson-says-vaccine-lowers-covid-severity-hospitalizations-1611279

    That does not let Carlson off the hook for claiming the Pfizer vaccine >>>>> has not been fully approved by the FDA.

    In any event this conservative and daily Fox listener drove 100 miles >>>>>> round trip in February 2021 to get Moderna, my wife Pfizer, and a few >>>>>> weeks later, the second shot. We were both in line for boosters as >>>>>> soon as they were available -- and got flu shots at the same time.

    I'm not in the business of defending, or approving, everything Tucker
    Carlson says, but if he made the claim prior to August 23, 2021 that
    the Pfizer vaccine had "not been fully approved by the FDA" , he was
    correct.

    In the original article from yesterday, Carlson writes that Joe Rogan
    was correct when he said earlier this week, "Jen Psaki's talking about
    misinformation online and combating misinformation. She distributed
    misinformation, because she said that it's approved by the FDA and their >>> gold standard."

    This is where Psaki (not the FDA) said it ("gold standard")-- on July
    26, 2021:

    "Q And then a follow-up on COVID: Were hearing from health experts
    who are increasingly voicing their concern for the FDA having yet to
    grant full approval to COVID vaccines. Folks are using phrases like
    grave mistake, puzzling as to why they havent yet. What is your
    understanding as to why we have not seen full approval yet from the
    FDA? And do you have any, kind of, expectation for when we might?

    MS. PSAKI: Well, the FDA is the gold standard, in our view, and they
    move at the speed of science. They look at a range of data and they
    make sure that when they make conclusions and when they give full
    approval, they have confidence in the science and the data that backs
    that up. It wouldnt be responsible to expedite that process at a
    faster speed than the science and data allows."
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/26/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-26-2021/

    When Psaki said those words, "Gold Standard", the FDA had not granted
    Full Approval -- which it would do the following month on August 23.
    Here again is the FDA "Full Approval" announcement.
    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
    At the time of Psaki's statement the status of the FDA approval was
    EUA -- Emergency Use Authorization. Call that a "Gold Standard" if you
    wish, but "Full Approval" would not come until August 23.

    Again, Carlson agreed with Rogan who claimed, "Jen Psaki [...] said that
    it's approved by the FDA and their gold standard."

    Psaki did not say it was approved on the date of your quote (of course).
    But, it was approved after that, implicitly according to Psaki, using
    the gold standard. But Rogan and Carlson insist that approval never came.

    OK. Help me out here. On what date did "Rogan and Carlson insist that
    approval never came"? And please provide a link.

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 5 18:42:04 2022
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond >>> (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive. >>> When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a >>> pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today. >>>
    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Sat Feb 5 20:21:39 2022
    On 2/5/2022 6:35 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:49:38 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:14 PM, El Castor wrote:

    {snip}

    This is where Psaki (not the FDA) said it ("gold standard")-- on July
    26, 2021:

    "Q And then a follow-up on COVID: We’re hearing from health experts >>> who are increasingly voicing their concern for the FDA having yet to
    grant full approval to COVID vaccines. Folks are using phrases like
    “grave mistake,” “puzzling as to why they haven’t yet.” What is your
    understanding as to why we have not seen full approval yet from the
    FDA? And do you have any, kind of, expectation for when we might?

    MS. PSAKI: Well, the FDA is the gold standard, in our view, and they
    move at the speed of science. They look at a range of data and they
    make sure that when they make conclusions and when they give full
    approval, they have confidence in the science and the data that backs
    that up. It wouldn’t be responsible to expedite that process at a
    faster speed than the science and data allows."
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/26/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-26-2021/

    Again, Carlson agreed with Rogan who claimed, "Jen Psaki [...] said that
    it's approved by the FDA and their gold standard."

    Psaki did not say it was approved on the date of your quote (of course).
    But, it was approved after that, implicitly according to Psaki, using
    the gold standard. But Rogan and Carlson insist that approval never came.

    OK. Help me out here. On what date did "Rogan and Carlson insist that approval never came"? And please provide a link.

    After further review, it appears Rogan's comments ("Jen Psaki's [...] distributed misinformation, because she said that it's approved by the
    FDA and their gold standard.") was made in July, 2021, before approval.
    See the clip at 1:30 in the video at https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-weak-people-call-for-censorship,
    from Carlson's 2/2/2022 show. It shows Rogan speaking with the label July.

    So, I was wrong (*) that Rogan claims the vaccine was never approved.
    Instead, he is lying that Psaki claimed it was approved in July (your
    quotes above from 7/26/2021 clearly show Psaki said it has *not* been approved). And Carlson passes on this lie as the truth.

    (*) I gave Roagn the benefit of the doubt that he couldn't be so
    blatantly lying about what Psaki said in July. I instead thought Rogan
    must have made his remarks after approval, tying himself to the
    conspiracy theory that it had never been approved - a conspiracy
    advocated by Senator Ron Johnson on 10/4 on Carlson's show (https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-guest-pfizer-vaccine-available-us-not-fda-approved).

    So, my partial apology to Rogan. You didn't traffic in a conspiracy
    theory, just a lie about what Psaki said. Carlson traffics in both.

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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Sat Feb 5 20:23:45 2022
    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you >>>>>> probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a >>>>>> couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond >>>> (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive. >>>> When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a >>>> pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to >>>> find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions -- >>>> better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today. >>>>
    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of >>>> discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few >>>> false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 5 22:06:19 2022
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:21:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:35 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:49:38 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:14 PM, El Castor wrote:

    {snip}

    This is where Psaki (not the FDA) said it ("gold standard")-- on July
    26, 2021:

    "Q And then a follow-up on COVID: Were hearing from health experts >>>> who are increasingly voicing their concern for the FDA having yet to
    grant full approval to COVID vaccines. Folks are using phrases like
    grave mistake, puzzling as to why they havent yet. What is your
    understanding as to why we have not seen full approval yet from the
    FDA? And do you have any, kind of, expectation for when we might?

    MS. PSAKI: Well, the FDA is the gold standard, in our view, and they
    move at the speed of science. They look at a range of data and they
    make sure that when they make conclusions and when they give full
    approval, they have confidence in the science and the data that backs
    that up. It wouldnt be responsible to expedite that process at a
    faster speed than the science and data allows."
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/26/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-26-2021/

    Again, Carlson agreed with Rogan who claimed, "Jen Psaki [...] said that >>> it's approved by the FDA and their gold standard."

    Psaki did not say it was approved on the date of your quote (of course). >>> But, it was approved after that, implicitly according to Psaki, using
    the gold standard. But Rogan and Carlson insist that approval never came. >>
    OK. Help me out here. On what date did "Rogan and Carlson insist that
    approval never came"? And please provide a link.

    After further review, it appears Rogan's comments ("Jen Psaki's [...] >distributed misinformation, because she said that it's approved by the
    FDA and their gold standard.") was made in July, 2021, before approval.
    See the clip at 1:30 in the video at >https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-weak-people-call-for-censorship, >from Carlson's 2/2/2022 show. It shows Rogan speaking with the label July.

    So, I was wrong (*) that Rogan claims the vaccine was never approved. >Instead, he is lying that Psaki claimed it was approved in July (your
    quotes above from 7/26/2021 clearly show Psaki said it has *not* been >approved). And Carlson passes on this lie as the truth.

    (*) I gave Roagn the benefit of the doubt that he couldn't be so
    blatantly lying about what Psaki said in July. I instead thought Rogan
    must have made his remarks after approval, tying himself to the
    conspiracy theory that it had never been approved - a conspiracy
    advocated by Senator Ron Johnson on 10/4 on Carlson's show >(https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-guest-pfizer-vaccine-available-us-not-fda-approved).

    So, my partial apology to Rogan. You didn't traffic in a conspiracy
    theory, just a lie about what Psaki said. Carlson traffics in both.

    I've done some extensive research and decided that it would be more
    fruitful to debate whether the hot dog is a sandwich. I think I'll go
    to bed. (-8

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 5 21:44:41 2022
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you >>>>>>> probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a >>>>>>> couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond >>>>> (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to >>>>> health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive. >>>>> When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a >>>>> pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also >>>>> guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to >>>>> find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions -- >>>>> better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends >>>>> here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today. >>>>>
    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of >>>>> discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few >>>>> false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there >>>>> since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when >>>> that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's >>>> leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an unrepentant Trump.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Sun Feb 6 08:56:11 2022
    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you >>>>>>>> probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a >>>>>>>> couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond >>>>>> (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to >>>>>> health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive. >>>>>> When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also >>>>>> guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no >>>>>> additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to >>>>>> find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions -- >>>>>> better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends >>>>>> here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in >>>>>> evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some >>>>>> courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today. >>>>>>
    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of >>>>>> discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few >>>>>> false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >>>>>> soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there >>>>>> since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first >>>>> time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when >>>>> that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by >>>>> former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's >>>>> leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of >>>> him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 6 11:32:04 2022
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you >>>>>>>>> probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a >>>>>>>>> couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to >>>>>>> health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also >>>>>>> guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no >>>>>>> additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to >>>>>>> find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions -- >>>>>>> better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends >>>>>>> here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in >>>>>>> evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well >>>>>>> equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some >>>>>>> courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of >>>>>>> discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few >>>>>>> false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >>>>>>> soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there >>>>>>> since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first >>>>>> time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when >>>>>> that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with >>>>>> Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by >>>>>> former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 >>>>>> presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's >>>>>> leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of >>>>> him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live >>> in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost
    confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this
    pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon." https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Sun Feb 6 11:53:02 2022
    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you >>>>>>>>>> probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a >>>>>>>>>> couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to >>>>>>>> health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also >>>>>>>> guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no >>>>>>>> additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions -- >>>>>>>> better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends >>>>>>>> here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in >>>>>>>> evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well >>>>>>>> equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some >>>>>>>> courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of >>>>>>>> discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >>>>>>>> soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there >>>>>>>> since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first >>>>>>> time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when >>>>>>> that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with >>>>>>> Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by >>>>>>> former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 >>>>>>> presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's >>>>>>> leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of >>>>>> him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas >>>>> for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but >>>>> given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live >>>> in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016 >>>> (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost
    confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this
    pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon." https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 6 21:40:38 2022
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you >>>>>>>>>>> probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a >>>>>>>>>>> couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to >>>>>>>>> health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also >>>>>>>>> guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no >>>>>>>>> additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends >>>>>>>>> here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in >>>>>>>>> evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well >>>>>>>>> equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some >>>>>>>>> courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >>>>>>>>> soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there >>>>>>>>> since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first >>>>>>>> time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when >>>>>>>> that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with >>>>>>>> Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by >>>>>>>> former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 >>>>>>>> presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's >>>>>>>> leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of >>>>>>> him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas >>>>>> for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but >>>>>> given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live >>>>> in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016 >>>>> (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost
    confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this
    pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily
    necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In
    any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for
    me. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Mon Feb 7 08:36:25 2022
    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you >>>>>>>>>>>> probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to >>>>>>>>>> health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no >>>>>>>>>> additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in >>>>>>>>>> evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well >>>>>>>>>> equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some >>>>>>>>>> courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >>>>>>>>>> soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there >>>>>>>>>> since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first >>>>>>>>> time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with >>>>>>>>> Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by >>>>>>>>> former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 >>>>>>>>> presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of >>>>>>>> him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas >>>>>>> for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but >>>>>>> given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live >>>>>> in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016 >>>>>> (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However >>>>> if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an >>>>> unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in >>>> an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in >>>> only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost
    confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this
    pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily
    necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In
    any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for
    me. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 7 10:29:15 2022
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no >>>>>>>>>>> additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in >>>>>>>>>>> evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well >>>>>>>>>>> equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some >>>>>>>>>>> courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >>>>>>>>>>> soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with >>>>>>>>>> Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 >>>>>>>>>> presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas >>>>>>>> for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but >>>>>>>> given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016 >>>>>>> (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However >>>>>> if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such >>>>>> that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience >>>>>> would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an >>>>>> unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in >>>>> an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in >>>>> only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden. >>>> The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost
    confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this
    pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily
    necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to >>> blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In
    any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for
    me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those
    stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Bidens Shenanigans Are Real News" https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html

    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis Worse Now Than Its Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever" https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Bidens Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides" https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern
    history, CDC says" https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

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  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Mon Feb 7 14:51:54 2022
    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no >>>>>>>>>>>> additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well >>>>>>>>>>>> equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some >>>>>>>>>>>> courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read >>>>>>>>>>>> soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with >>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020 >>>>>>>>>>> presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas >>>>>>>>> for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but >>>>>>>>> given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However >>>>>>> if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such >>>>>>> that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience >>>>>>> would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an >>>>>>> unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in >>>>>> an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in >>>>>> only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden. >>>>> The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost
    confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this
    pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for >>>>> his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily
    necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things >>>>> change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for >>>> the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to >>>> blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In
    any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for
    me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those
    stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Biden’s Shenanigans Are Real News" https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html

    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis ‘Worse Now’ Than It’s ‘Been In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever’" https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Biden’s Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides" https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern
    history, CDC says" https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for
    2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

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  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 7 15:32:19 2022
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well >>>>>>>>>>>>> equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with >>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However >>>>>>>> if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such >>>>>>>> that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience >>>>>>>> would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an >>>>>>>> unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in >>>>>>> an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in >>>>>>> only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden. >>>>>> The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost
    confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this
    pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for >>>>>> his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's >>>>>> impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily >>>>>> necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's >>>>>> party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things >>>>>> change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for >>>>> the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to >>>>> blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might >>>>> flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just >>>> hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In
    any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for
    me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those
    stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Bidens Shenanigans Are Real News"
    https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html

    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis Worse Now Than Its Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Bidens Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides"
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern
    history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for
    2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The
    Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error
    of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which,
    from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they
    will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Mon Feb 7 18:54:50 2022
    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>>>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However >>>>>>>>> if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such >>>>>>>>> that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience >>>>>>>>> would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an >>>>>>>>> unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden. >>>>>>> The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for >>>>>>> his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's >>>>>>> impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily >>>>>>> necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's >>>>>>> party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things >>>>>>> change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get >>>>>> whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for >>>>>> the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to >>>>>> blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might >>>>>> flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just >>>>> hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In >>>>> any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be >>>>> drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for >>>>> me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and >>>> their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those
    stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Biden’s Shenanigans Are Real News"
    https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html >>>
    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis ‘Worse Now’ Than It’s ‘Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever’"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Biden’s Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides"
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern
    history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for
    2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The
    Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error
    of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which,
    from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they
    will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 7 22:12:30 2022
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
    I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near >>>>>>>>>>>>>> medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such >>>>>>>>>> that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience >>>>>>>>>> would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an >>>>>>>>>> unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden. >>>>>>>> The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for >>>>>>>> his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's >>>>>>>> impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily >>>>>>>> necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's >>>>>>>> party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things >>>>>>>> change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get >>>>>>> whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for >>>>>>> the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might >>>>>>> flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just >>>>>> hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In >>>>>> any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be >>>>>> drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for >>>>>> me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and >>>>> their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those
    stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Bidens Shenanigans Are Real News"
    https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html >>>>
    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis Worse Now Than Its Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Bidens Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides"
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern
    history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for
    2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The
    Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error
    of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which,
    from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they
    will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    Lets be realistic. Covid fatigue and inflation didn't open the
    southern border, halt Canada's pipeline, end drilling on federal land,
    and de-criminalize crime. We have the Left of your Party to thank for
    that -- not a virus.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Tue Feb 8 08:48:24 2022
    On 2/7/2022 10:12 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>>>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such >>>>>>>>>>> that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience >>>>>>>>>>> would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ...
    "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for >>>>>>>>> his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's >>>>>>>>> impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily >>>>>>>>> necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's >>>>>>>>> party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things >>>>>>>>> change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get >>>>>>>> whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for >>>>>>>> the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might >>>>>>>> flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just >>>>>>> hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In >>>>>>> any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be >>>>>>> drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for >>>>>>> me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and >>>>>> their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those
    stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Biden’s Shenanigans Are Real News" >>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html >>>>>
    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis ‘Worse Now’ Than It’s ‘Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever’"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Biden’s Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides"
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern
    history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for >>>> 2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The
    Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error
    of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which,
    from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they
    will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    Lets be realistic. Covid fatigue and inflation didn't open the
    southern border, halt Canada's pipeline, end drilling on federal land,
    and de-criminalize crime. We have the Left of your Party to thank for
    that -- not a virus.

    It's the economy (stupid). The southern border and crime don't decide elections. Pipelines and drilling don't directly decide elections.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 8 10:14:21 2022
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:48:24 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:12 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold.

    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ... >>>>>>>>>> "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's >>>>>>>>>> impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily >>>>>>>>>> necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's >>>>>>>>>> party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things >>>>>>>>>> change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get >>>>>>>>> whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might >>>>>>>>> flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just >>>>>>>> hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In >>>>>>>> any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be >>>>>>>> drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for >>>>>>>> me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and >>>>>>> their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some.

    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those >>>>>> stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Bidens Shenanigans Are Real News" >>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html >>>>>>
    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis Worse Now Than Its Been >>>>>> In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Bidens Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides"
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern
    history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for >>>>> 2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The
    Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error
    of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which,
    from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they
    will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    Lets be realistic. Covid fatigue and inflation didn't open the
    southern border, halt Canada's pipeline, end drilling on federal land,
    and de-criminalize crime. We have the Left of your Party to thank for
    that -- not a virus.

    It's the economy (stupid). The southern border and crime don't decide >elections. Pipelines and drilling don't directly decide elections.

    Stupid? Has logic so failed you that you must resort to name calling?
    Jan 6 aside, Trump's policies gave us the lowest Black unemployment in
    history and a thriving economy. Thanks to Biden and his handlers we
    abandoned energy independence and are once again dependent on Middle
    Eastern oil. I paid $50 to fill the tank of a compact, and Biden is
    just getting started. God help the US economy if he cuts Russia's
    Nord-Stream pipeline. We will not only be unable to help Europe, we
    won't be able to help ourselves. The ill conceived policies of the
    Left have dug us a very deep hole.

    Remember that Pew survey?
    "A new national survey by Pew Research Center, conducted Jan. 10-17
    among 5,128 adults on the nationally representative American Trends
    Panel, finds that Biden and his party are facing a difficult political environment with the midterm elections 10 months away:
    Just 21% of the public is satisfied with the way things are going
    in the U.S. That is 12 points lower than last March (33%) and 15
    points lower than in February 2018 (36%), near the beginning of the
    previous midterm year." https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Do you count yourself in that 21% who is satisfied with the way things
    are going in the U.S.?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Tue Feb 8 11:05:38 2022
    On 2/8/2022 10:14 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:48:24 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:12 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8

    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ... >>>>>>>>>>> "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's >>>>>>>>>>> impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily >>>>>>>>>>> necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's >>>>>>>>>>> party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get >>>>>>>>>> whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In >>>>>>>>> any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be >>>>>>>>> drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for >>>>>>>>> me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some. >>>>>>>
    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those >>>>>>> stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Biden’s Shenanigans Are Real News" >>>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html

    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis ‘Worse Now’ Than It’s ‘Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever’"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Biden’s Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides"
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern >>>>>>> history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for >>>>>> 2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The
    Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error >>>>> of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which, >>>>> from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they >>>>> will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    Lets be realistic. Covid fatigue and inflation didn't open the
    southern border, halt Canada's pipeline, end drilling on federal land,
    and de-criminalize crime. We have the Left of your Party to thank for
    that -- not a virus.

    It's the economy (stupid). The southern border and crime don't decide
    elections. Pipelines and drilling don't directly decide elections.

    Stupid? Has logic so failed you that you must resort to name calling?

    It's James Carville's famous line about how to win the 1992 election
    (and by implication, elections in general).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid

    Jan 6 aside, Trump's policies gave us the lowest Black unemployment in history and a thriving economy. Thanks to Biden and his handlers we
    abandoned energy independence and are once again dependent on Middle
    Eastern oil. I paid $50 to fill the tank of a compact, and Biden is
    just getting started. God help the US economy if he cuts Russia's
    Nord-Stream pipeline. We will not only be unable to help Europe, we
    won't be able to help ourselves. The ill conceived policies of the
    Left have dug us a very deep hole.

    Remember that Pew survey?
    "A new national survey by Pew Research Center, conducted Jan. 10-17
    among 5,128 adults on the nationally representative American Trends
    Panel, finds that Biden and his party are facing a difficult political environment with the midterm elections 10 months away:
    Just 21% of the public is satisfied with the way things are going
    in the U.S. That is 12 points lower than last March (33%) and 15
    points lower than in February 2018 (36%), near the beginning of the
    previous midterm year." https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Do you count yourself in that 21% who is satisfied with the way things
    are going in the U.S.?

    Not right now. But that has (almost) no relevance to what things will be
    like in 2024.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 8 11:43:43 2022
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:05:38 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/8/2022 10:14 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:48:24 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:12 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ... >>>>>>>>>>>> "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily
    necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's >>>>>>>>>>>> party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get >>>>>>>>>>> whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In >>>>>>>>>> any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for >>>>>>>>>> me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some. >>>>>>>>
    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those >>>>>>>> stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Bidens Shenanigans Are Real News" >>>>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html

    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis Worse Now Than Its Been >>>>>>>> In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Bidens Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides"
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern >>>>>>>> history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for >>>>>>> 2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The >>>>>> Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error >>>>>> of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which, >>>>>> from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they >>>>>> will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    Lets be realistic. Covid fatigue and inflation didn't open the
    southern border, halt Canada's pipeline, end drilling on federal land, >>>> and de-criminalize crime. We have the Left of your Party to thank for
    that -- not a virus.

    It's the economy (stupid). The southern border and crime don't decide
    elections. Pipelines and drilling don't directly decide elections.

    Stupid? Has logic so failed you that you must resort to name calling?

    It's James Carville's famous line about how to win the 1992 election
    (and by implication, elections in general).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid

    Jan 6 aside, Trump's policies gave us the lowest Black unemployment in
    history and a thriving economy. Thanks to Biden and his handlers we
    abandoned energy independence and are once again dependent on Middle
    Eastern oil. I paid $50 to fill the tank of a compact, and Biden is
    just getting started. God help the US economy if he cuts Russia's
    Nord-Stream pipeline. We will not only be unable to help Europe, we
    won't be able to help ourselves. The ill conceived policies of the
    Left have dug us a very deep hole.

    Remember that Pew survey?
    "A new national survey by Pew Research Center, conducted Jan. 10-17
    among 5,128 adults on the nationally representative American Trends
    Panel, finds that Biden and his party are facing a difficult political
    environment with the midterm elections 10 months away:
    Just 21% of the public is satisfied with the way things are going
    in the U.S. That is 12 points lower than last March (33%) and 15
    points lower than in February 2018 (36%), near the beginning of the
    previous midterm year."
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Do you count yourself in that 21% who is satisfied with the way things
    are going in the U.S.?

    Not right now. But that has (almost) no relevance to what things will be
    like in 2024.

    Pew has demonstrated a relevance right now, a relevance that has
    steadily grown worse since Biden took office. If there exists a plan
    on the part of his handlers to change course, it certainly has been
    well concealed, but we shall see.

    Remember this promise when he took office?
    "US election: Joe Biden vows to 'unify' country in victory speech" https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54859636

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Josh Rosenbluth@21:1/5 to El Castor on Tue Feb 8 17:46:23 2022
    On 2/8/2022 11:43 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:05:38 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/8/2022 10:14 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:48:24 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:12 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily
    necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In
    any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for
    me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some. >>>>>>>>>
    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those >>>>>>>>> stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Biden’s Shenanigans Are Real News"
    https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html

    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis ‘Worse Now’ Than It’s ‘Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever’"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Biden’s Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides" >>>>>>>>> https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern >>>>>>>>> history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for
    2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The >>>>>>> Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error >>>>>>> of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which, >>>>>>> from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they >>>>>>> will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    Lets be realistic. Covid fatigue and inflation didn't open the
    southern border, halt Canada's pipeline, end drilling on federal land, >>>>> and de-criminalize crime. We have the Left of your Party to thank for >>>>> that -- not a virus.

    It's the economy (stupid). The southern border and crime don't decide
    elections. Pipelines and drilling don't directly decide elections.

    Stupid? Has logic so failed you that you must resort to name calling?

    It's James Carville's famous line about how to win the 1992 election
    (and by implication, elections in general).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid

    Jan 6 aside, Trump's policies gave us the lowest Black unemployment in
    history and a thriving economy. Thanks to Biden and his handlers we
    abandoned energy independence and are once again dependent on Middle
    Eastern oil. I paid $50 to fill the tank of a compact, and Biden is
    just getting started. God help the US economy if he cuts Russia's
    Nord-Stream pipeline. We will not only be unable to help Europe, we
    won't be able to help ourselves. The ill conceived policies of the
    Left have dug us a very deep hole.

    Remember that Pew survey?
    "A new national survey by Pew Research Center, conducted Jan. 10-17
    among 5,128 adults on the nationally representative American Trends
    Panel, finds that Biden and his party are facing a difficult political
    environment with the midterm elections 10 months away:
    Just 21% of the public is satisfied with the way things are going
    in the U.S. That is 12 points lower than last March (33%) and 15
    points lower than in February 2018 (36%), near the beginning of the
    previous midterm year."
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Do you count yourself in that 21% who is satisfied with the way things
    are going in the U.S.?

    Not right now. But that has (almost) no relevance to what things will be
    like in 2024.

    Pew has demonstrated a relevance right now, a relevance that has
    steadily grown worse since Biden took office. If there exists a plan
    on the part of his handlers to change course, it certainly has been
    well concealed, but we shall see.

    Remember this promise when he took office?
    "US election: Joe Biden vows to 'unify' country in victory speech" https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54859636

    A plan? COVID will, or will not, go away pretty much on its own. And if
    it does, inflation will subside.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From El Castor@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 8 21:17:24 2022
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 17:46:23 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/8/2022 11:43 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:05:38 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/8/2022 10:14 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:48:24 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:12 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 3:32 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:51:54 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2022 10:29 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 9:40 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:53:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/6/2022 11:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:56:11 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 9:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 6:42 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:50:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/5/2022 12:48 PM, El Castor wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:32:01 -0800, islander <none@priracy.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/2022 2:57 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if islander has passed on. I'm pretty sure rumple did.

    Forgot to mention that I believe Islander is still with us. As you
    probably know he moved to Redmond. I've exchanged emails with him a
    couple of times.

    Good to hear!

    My wife and I moved to a continuing care retirement community in Redmond
    (Emerald Heights with ~550 residents). Primary reason was access to
    health care. We now enjoy having all health care within a 15 min drive.
    When we are no longer able to drive, this place offers van service - a
    pain, but it will do and the Lyft service is very good). We are also
    guaranteed assisted living, skilled nursing, and memory care at no
    additional cost if/when we need it. After 7 months, we are starting to
    find some of the problems with it, but I chose to work on solutions --
    better the devil you know! I'm slowly developing a circle of friends
    here, but most people are older than me. I find all the walkers in
    evidence depressing. There is a very good wood shop that is well
    equipped and I'm finding it to be enjoyable. I'm also taking some
    courses - just finished a very good one on Philosophy of Religion today.

    I regularly use Quora and have tried SeniorForums. A wider variety of
    discussion in both. Jeff and I tried just using email, but after a few
    false starts, that seems to have petered out. I occasionally read
    soc.retirement, but haven't been inspired to respond to anyone there
    since last May.

    Glad Redmond is working out for you. I've loved Orcas since the first
    time we visited, but I completely understand the need to be near
    medical care. My wife no longer drives, so I'm the chauffeur, but when
    that day draws to a close ...?

    Anyhow, you may be glad to hear that I am no longer enchanted with
    Trump. Looks like I'm not the only one. (-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    "Vice President Mike Pence on Friday resoundingly rejected a claim by
    former President Trump that he had the ability to overturn the 2020
    presidential election, saying that there's little that is more
    un-American than the notion that any president can choose the nation's
    leader." AMEN!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-is-wrong-that-he-could-have-overturned-election/ar-AATugEh?ocid=uxbndlbing

    The question is whether the rank of file of the GOP have had enough of
    him (assuming he runs in 2024).

    Good question. I have no idea. Barring some extreme apology and pleas
    for forgiveness on Trump's part I would never vote for him again, but
    given a choice of Trump and that abomination Biden, I would just
    abstain.

    Look at the bright side. You can vote for anyone you want since you live
    in California. I do too. I could not stomach voting for Clinton in 2016
    (nor Trump, of course), so I wrote in Russ Feingold. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Good point, and one that I've made more than once to my wife. However
    if Biden runs again, which seems unlikely, his unpopularity is such
    that he might not be a guaranteed winner. In any case my conscience
    would compel me to vote against him, unless that meant voting for an
    unrepentant Trump.

    If Biden isn't guaranteed to win California, the Republican will win in
    an historic landslide (Biden had a greater margin of victory than CA in
    only DC, VT, MA, MD and HI).

    I guarantee Trump will never repent.

    I have to agree. BTW -- Democrats have more to worry about than Biden.
    The midterms are just around the corner.

    CNN ...
    "8 terrible numbers for Joe Biden in the new Pew poll" ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The overall picture these numbers paint? A public that has lost >>>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence in Biden's ability to get us to the other end of this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic and that has turned negative about the broader prospects for
    his presidency. People are worried about the economy -- and Covid's
    impact on it -- while feeling the pinch of inflation on their daily
    necessities.
    It's a remarkably grim outlook. And one that suggests that Biden's
    party is headed for a major comeuppance in November -- unless things
    change both drastically and soon."
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/biden-approval-rating-pew-poll/index.html

    If Biden's approval rating does not improve, the Democrats will get
    whupped in the House and likely lose the Senate. Things are better for
    the Democrats in the Senate because there are 3 seats that might flip to
    blue (PA, WI and NC). On the other hand, there are 4 seats that might
    flip to red (AZ, GA, NV, NH).

    Could be even worse for either side, but most likely Democrats. I just
    hope Biden doesn't get us into a war with China, Russia, or both. In
    any event, the days of the US as the leading world power appear to be
    drawing to a close.

    Here's a link to that Pew poll referenced by CNN. Shocking, even for
    me.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Reagan and Clinton were just as unpopular at their first mid-terms (and
    their parties were whupped). They both recovered and then some. >>>>>>>>>>
    I genuinely hope that Biden gives all of us reason to improve those >>>>>>>>>> stats, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

    Mon, February 7, 2022
    "You Might Not Like It, but Hunter Bidens Shenanigans Are Real News"
    https://news.yahoo.com/might-not-hunter-biden-shenanigans-085015437.html

    "Biden DHS Secretary Admits Border Crisis Worse Now Than Its Been
    In At Least 20 Years, If Not Ever"
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-dhs-secretary-admits-border-crisis-worse-now-than-its-been-in-at-least-20-years-if-not-ever

    "Bidens Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides" >>>>>>>>>> https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Bidens-Baffling-Oil-Policy-Faces-Backlash-From-All-Sides.html

    "US records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern >>>>>>>>>> history, CDC says"
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html

    It's going to be very difficult for Biden to turn it around in time for
    2022. But 2024 is an eternity from now.

    Biden, or more likely his handlers, got us to where we are now. The >>>>>>>> Left seems to have a hard time accepting, or understanding, the error >>>>>>>> of its ways. It is difficult to see how they will correct that which, >>>>>>>> from their perspective, is not in error. The polls are clear. If they >>>>>>>> will change course, why aren't they doing it now?

    COVID fatigue and inflation.

    Lets be realistic. Covid fatigue and inflation didn't open the
    southern border, halt Canada's pipeline, end drilling on federal land, >>>>>> and de-criminalize crime. We have the Left of your Party to thank for >>>>>> that -- not a virus.

    It's the economy (stupid). The southern border and crime don't decide >>>>> elections. Pipelines and drilling don't directly decide elections.

    Stupid? Has logic so failed you that you must resort to name calling?

    It's James Carville's famous line about how to win the 1992 election
    (and by implication, elections in general).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid

    Jan 6 aside, Trump's policies gave us the lowest Black unemployment in >>>> history and a thriving economy. Thanks to Biden and his handlers we
    abandoned energy independence and are once again dependent on Middle
    Eastern oil. I paid $50 to fill the tank of a compact, and Biden is
    just getting started. God help the US economy if he cuts Russia's
    Nord-Stream pipeline. We will not only be unable to help Europe, we
    won't be able to help ourselves. The ill conceived policies of the
    Left have dug us a very deep hole.

    Remember that Pew survey?
    "A new national survey by Pew Research Center, conducted Jan. 10-17
    among 5,128 adults on the nationally representative American Trends
    Panel, finds that Biden and his party are facing a difficult political >>>> environment with the midterm elections 10 months away:
    Just 21% of the public is satisfied with the way things are going >>>> in the U.S. That is 12 points lower than last March (33%) and 15
    points lower than in February 2018 (36%), near the beginning of the
    previous midterm year."
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/biden-starts-year-two-with-diminished-public-support-and-a-daunting-list-of-challenges/

    Do you count yourself in that 21% who is satisfied with the way things >>>> are going in the U.S.?

    Not right now. But that has (almost) no relevance to what things will be >>> like in 2024.

    Pew has demonstrated a relevance right now, a relevance that has
    steadily grown worse since Biden took office. If there exists a plan
    on the part of his handlers to change course, it certainly has been
    well concealed, but we shall see.

    Remember this promise when he took office?
    "US election: Joe Biden vows to 'unify' country in victory speech"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54859636

    A plan? COVID will, or will not, go away pretty much on its own. And if
    it does, inflation will subside.

    COVID? Infation? Disappointmet in the Biden presidency goes far beyond
    COVID and Inflation.

    PEW research shows a precipitous decline of confidence in Biden on
    both sides of the aisle on all of the following issues:

    * Make good decisions about economic policy
    * Handle an international crisis
    * Effectively handle law enforcement and criminal justice issues
    * Work effectively with congress
    * Make wise decisions about immigration policy
    * Deal effectively with China
    * Bring the country closer together https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/views-of-joe-biden/

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