"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result of
a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 US
citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked with
them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak and
disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to "reunite"
Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be impeached.
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result
of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000
US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked
with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak
and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to
"reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out
unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war
with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they
want to everyone else.
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result of
a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 US
citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked with
them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak and
disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to "reunite"
Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be impeached.
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result
of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000
US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked
with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak
and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to
"reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out
unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war
with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they
want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to
everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job
of that than what Biden has done.
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:12:44 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:04:48 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result of
a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 US
citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked with
them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak and
disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to "reunite"
Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be impeached.
Wouldn't it make sense to get the American civilians out of the country
first, and the military last?
I agree we need to get out of Afghanistan and never get into a similar
situation. Let countries solve their own problems.
A few loads of bombs and a warning that we would be back with more if
they continued to support Al Qaeda would have been sufficient.
It's seems strange to me that after twenty years of occupation,
Afghanistan didn't have an army capable of holding the country on their
own.
Afghanistan is Islam, and so is the Taliban -- Islam owns both and a
few years of Infidel incursion is not going to change that.
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:04:48 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result of
a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 US
citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked with
them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak and
disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to "reunite"
Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be impeached.
Wouldn't it make sense to get the American civilians out of the country >first, and the military last?
I agree we need to get out of Afghanistan and never get into a similar >situation. Let countries solve their own problems.
It's seems strange to me that after twenty years of occupation,
Afghanistan didn't have an army capable of holding the country on their
own.
There wasn't even an army able to keep control of the Capitol, as can
be seen by the president fleeing the country.
Twenty five hundred Americans died for nothing.
On 8/18/2021 6:46 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:12:44 -0500, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:04:48 -0700
El Castor <JustUsChickens@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result of >>>> a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 US
citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked with
them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak and
disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to "reunite"
Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be impeached.
Wouldn't it make sense to get the American civilians out of the country
first, and the military last?
I agree we need to get out of Afghanistan and never get into a similar
situation. Let countries solve their own problems.
A few loads of bombs and a warning that we would be back with more if
they continued to support Al Qaeda would have been sufficient.
The deal included the Taliban pledging not to support international >terrorism.
It's seems strange to me that after twenty years of occupation,
Afghanistan didn't have an army capable of holding the country on their
own.
Afghanistan is Islam, and so is the Taliban -- Islam owns both and a
few years of Infidel incursion is not going to change that.
The Afghani victims of the Taliban are almost all Muslims.
On 8/18/2021 5:14 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first
time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result
of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000
US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked
with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak
and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to
"reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out
unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war
with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they
want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to
everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
The deal didn't put any restraints on what the Taliban could to do others.
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job
of that than what Biden has done.
He could have, but I doubt he would have. As former defense secretary
Esper said this week, Trump wanted to pull the troops out by Christmas
of 2020 (the deal called for them out by May, 2021) and the quicker the >troops come out, the more likely the mess about getting people out
results. Also, Trump left no plan for Biden.
And, we have Pence blaming Biden (in a WSJ editorial) for the Taliban >takeover because the withdrawal was extended to September. It takes a
lot of chutzpah to claim an earlier withdrawal would have stopped a
Taliban takeover.
All that being said, Biden owns the consequences of not getting the
people out, especially since he gave himself more time. He fucked it up. >However, I predict at worst only a temporary political penalty. Folks
won't care in the long term so long as the Americans get safely out (and
as I said, the Taliban would be stupid not to allow that).
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:37:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 5:14 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops
Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first >>>>> time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result
of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000
US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked
with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak
and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to
"reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out
unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war
with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they
want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to
everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
The deal didn't put any restraints on what the Taliban could to do others. >>
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job
of that than what Biden has done.
He could have, but I doubt he would have. As former defense secretary
Esper said this week, Trump wanted to pull the troops out by Christmas
of 2020 (the deal called for them out by May, 2021) and the quicker the
troops come out, the more likely the mess about getting people out
results. Also, Trump left no plan for Biden.
And, we have Pence blaming Biden (in a WSJ editorial) for the Taliban
takeover because the withdrawal was extended to September. It takes a
lot of chutzpah to claim an earlier withdrawal would have stopped a
Taliban takeover.
All that being said, Biden owns the consequences of not getting the
people out, especially since he gave himself more time. He fucked it up.
However, I predict at worst only a temporary political penalty. Folks
won't care in the long term so long as the Americans get safely out (and
as I said, the Taliban would be stupid not to allow that).
Temporary? This collapse in Afghanistan is historic and leaves the US
looking weak and indecisive.
On 8/19/2021 12:16 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:37:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 5:14 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops >>>>>> Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first >>>>>> time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." >>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result >>>>>> of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 >>>>>> US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked >>>>>> with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak
and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to
"reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out
unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war >>>>> with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they >>>>> want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to
everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
The deal didn't put any restraints on what the Taliban could to do others. >>>
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job
of that than what Biden has done.
He could have, but I doubt he would have. As former defense secretary
Esper said this week, Trump wanted to pull the troops out by Christmas
of 2020 (the deal called for them out by May, 2021) and the quicker the
troops come out, the more likely the mess about getting people out
results. Also, Trump left no plan for Biden.
And, we have Pence blaming Biden (in a WSJ editorial) for the Taliban
takeover because the withdrawal was extended to September. It takes a
lot of chutzpah to claim an earlier withdrawal would have stopped a
Taliban takeover.
All that being said, Biden owns the consequences of not getting the
people out, especially since he gave himself more time. He fucked it up. >>> However, I predict at worst only a temporary political penalty. Folks
won't care in the long term so long as the Americans get safely out (and >>> as I said, the Taliban would be stupid not to allow that).
Temporary? This collapse in Afghanistan is historic and leaves the US
looking weak and indecisive.
The majority wanted out so they don't view withdrawal as weak indecisive.
On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:39:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/19/2021 12:16 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:37:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 5:14 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops >>>>>>> Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first >>>>>>> time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." >>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result >>>>>>> of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 >>>>>>> US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked >>>>>>> with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak >>>>>>> and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to
"reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out >>>>>> unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war >>>>>> with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they >>>>>> want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to
everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
The deal didn't put any restraints on what the Taliban could to do others. >>>>
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job >>>>> of that than what Biden has done.
He could have, but I doubt he would have. As former defense secretary
Esper said this week, Trump wanted to pull the troops out by Christmas >>>> of 2020 (the deal called for them out by May, 2021) and the quicker the >>>> troops come out, the more likely the mess about getting people out
results. Also, Trump left no plan for Biden.
And, we have Pence blaming Biden (in a WSJ editorial) for the Taliban
takeover because the withdrawal was extended to September. It takes a
lot of chutzpah to claim an earlier withdrawal would have stopped a
Taliban takeover.
All that being said, Biden owns the consequences of not getting the
people out, especially since he gave himself more time. He fucked it up. >>>> However, I predict at worst only a temporary political penalty. Folks
won't care in the long term so long as the Americans get safely out (and >>>> as I said, the Taliban would be stupid not to allow that).
Temporary? This collapse in Afghanistan is historic and leaves the US
looking weak and indecisive.
The majority wanted out so they don't view withdrawal as weak indecisive.
I wanted out and don't think we should have gone there in the first
place. However, the way Biden went about it was appalling -- as you
said, he "fucked it up". Biden's fuck up makes us look weak and
indecisive -- unfortunate in a world in which Iran clearly wants one
or more nuclear weapons and a China that just seized control of Hong
Kong and is clearly interested in Taiwan, and who knows what else.
"China portrays the U.S. as âweak and unreliableâ to draw Taiwan
closer, analyst says" ...
"Chinese state media said the countryâs military conducted assault
drills near Taiwan on Tuesday in response to âinterference from
external forces.â
Rodger Baker of Stratfor said the exercise coincided with Chinese
state media reports that attempted to paint the U.S. as a âweak and unreliable powerâ in Afghanistan." https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/19/china-warns-taiwan-about-us-commitment-by-highlighting-afghanistan-retreat-analyst.html
On 8/19/2021 10:54 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:39:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/19/2021 12:16 PM, El Castor wrote:I wanted out and don't think we should have gone there in the first
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:37:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 5:14 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops >>>>>>>> Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first >>>>>>>> time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." >>>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result >>>>>>>> of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 >>>>>>>> US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked >>>>>>>> with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak >>>>>>>> and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to
"reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out >>>>>>> unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war >>>>>>> with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they >>>>>>> want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to >>>>>> everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
The deal didn't put any restraints on what the Taliban could to do others.
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job >>>>>> of that than what Biden has done.
He could have, but I doubt he would have. As former defense secretary >>>>> Esper said this week, Trump wanted to pull the troops out by Christmas >>>>> of 2020 (the deal called for them out by May, 2021) and the quicker the >>>>> troops come out, the more likely the mess about getting people out
results. Also, Trump left no plan for Biden.
And, we have Pence blaming Biden (in a WSJ editorial) for the Taliban >>>>> takeover because the withdrawal was extended to September. It takes a >>>>> lot of chutzpah to claim an earlier withdrawal would have stopped a
Taliban takeover.
All that being said, Biden owns the consequences of not getting the
people out, especially since he gave himself more time. He fucked it up. >>>>> However, I predict at worst only a temporary political penalty. Folks >>>>> won't care in the long term so long as the Americans get safely out (and >>>>> as I said, the Taliban would be stupid not to allow that).
Temporary? This collapse in Afghanistan is historic and leaves the US
looking weak and indecisive.
The majority wanted out so they don't view withdrawal as weak indecisive. >>
place. However, the way Biden went about it was appalling -- as you
said, he "fucked it up". Biden's fuck up makes us look weak and
indecisive -- unfortunate in a world in which Iran clearly wants one
or more nuclear weapons and a China that just seized control of Hong
Kong and is clearly interested in Taiwan, and who knows what else.
Biden was resolute in his decision to withdraw. The fuckup calls into >question his competence.
"China portrays the U.S. as weak and unreliable to draw Taiwan
closer, analyst says" ...
"Chinese state media said the countrys military conducted assault
drills near Taiwan on Tuesday in response to interference from
external forces.
Rodger Baker of Stratfor said the exercise coincided with Chinese
state media reports that attempted to paint the U.S. as a weak and
unreliable power in Afghanistan."
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/19/china-warns-taiwan-about-us-commitment-by-highlighting-afghanistan-retreat-analyst.html
I'm shocked, shocked that China would announce an unflattering >characterization of the US.
On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:47:10 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/19/2021 10:54 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:39:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/19/2021 12:16 PM, El Castor wrote:I wanted out and don't think we should have gone there in the first
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:37:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 5:14 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops >>>>>>>>> Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first >>>>>>>>> time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." >>>>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result >>>>>>>>> of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 >>>>>>>>> US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked >>>>>>>>> with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak >>>>>>>>> and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to >>>>>>>>> "reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be
impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out >>>>>>>> unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war >>>>>>>> with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they >>>>>>>> want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to >>>>>>> everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
The deal didn't put any restraints on what the Taliban could to do others.
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job >>>>>>> of that than what Biden has done.
He could have, but I doubt he would have. As former defense secretary >>>>>> Esper said this week, Trump wanted to pull the troops out by Christmas >>>>>> of 2020 (the deal called for them out by May, 2021) and the quicker the >>>>>> troops come out, the more likely the mess about getting people out >>>>>> results. Also, Trump left no plan for Biden.
And, we have Pence blaming Biden (in a WSJ editorial) for the Taliban >>>>>> takeover because the withdrawal was extended to September. It takes a >>>>>> lot of chutzpah to claim an earlier withdrawal would have stopped a >>>>>> Taliban takeover.
All that being said, Biden owns the consequences of not getting the >>>>>> people out, especially since he gave himself more time. He fucked it up. >>>>>> However, I predict at worst only a temporary political penalty. Folks >>>>>> won't care in the long term so long as the Americans get safely out (and >>>>>> as I said, the Taliban would be stupid not to allow that).
Temporary? This collapse in Afghanistan is historic and leaves the US >>>>> looking weak and indecisive.
The majority wanted out so they don't view withdrawal as weak indecisive. >>>
place. However, the way Biden went about it was appalling -- as you
said, he "fucked it up". Biden's fuck up makes us look weak and
indecisive -- unfortunate in a world in which Iran clearly wants one
or more nuclear weapons and a China that just seized control of Hong
Kong and is clearly interested in Taiwan, and who knows what else.
Biden was resolute in his decision to withdraw. The fuckup calls into
question his competence.
On that we can agree. I have to wonder if he will serve out his term.
The alternative is president Kamala -- shudder.
On 8/20/2021 10:57 AM, El Castor wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:47:10 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/19/2021 10:54 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:39:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/19/2021 12:16 PM, El Castor wrote:I wanted out and don't think we should have gone there in the first
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:37:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 5:14 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:57:01 -0700
Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/18/2021 11:04 AM, El Castor wrote:
"Joe Biden Loses Ground With Independents as Approval Rating Drops >>>>>>>>>> Amid Afghanistan Debacle"
"Joe Biden's approval rating has sunk below 50 percent for the first >>>>>>>>>> time in his presidency as he loses ground among independent voters." >>>>>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-loses-ground-with-independents-as-approval-rating-drops-amid-afghanistan-debacle/ar-AANsIv8
As I heard on the news this morning, this debacle wasn't the result >>>>>>>>>> of a bad plan, it was no plan. As of this morning more than 10,000 >>>>>>>>>> US citizens remain in Afghanistan and many more Afghans who worked >>>>>>>>>> with them. What's next? Public executions? We are clearly so weak >>>>>>>>>> and disorganized I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to >>>>>>>>>> "reunite" Taiwan. Biden and his incompetent crew should be >>>>>>>>>> impeached.
The Taliban would be very foolish not to let all the Americans out >>>>>>>>> unharmed. That was the reason they signed on to Trump's deal: no war >>>>>>>>> with America in exchange for the Taliban getting to do whatever they >>>>>>>>> want to everyone else.
I doubt Trump's deal said they could do anything they wanted to to >>>>>>>> everyone else. That would have happened anyway.
The deal didn't put any restraints on what the Taliban could to do others.
We need to get out of Afghanistan, Trump could have done a better job >>>>>>>> of that than what Biden has done.
He could have, but I doubt he would have. As former defense secretary >>>>>>> Esper said this week, Trump wanted to pull the troops out by Christmas >>>>>>> of 2020 (the deal called for them out by May, 2021) and the quicker the >>>>>>> troops come out, the more likely the mess about getting people out >>>>>>> results. Also, Trump left no plan for Biden.
And, we have Pence blaming Biden (in a WSJ editorial) for the Taliban >>>>>>> takeover because the withdrawal was extended to September. It takes a >>>>>>> lot of chutzpah to claim an earlier withdrawal would have stopped a >>>>>>> Taliban takeover.
All that being said, Biden owns the consequences of not getting the >>>>>>> people out, especially since he gave himself more time. He fucked it up.
However, I predict at worst only a temporary political penalty. Folks >>>>>>> won't care in the long term so long as the Americans get safely out (and
as I said, the Taliban would be stupid not to allow that).
Temporary? This collapse in Afghanistan is historic and leaves the US >>>>>> looking weak and indecisive.
The majority wanted out so they don't view withdrawal as weak indecisive. >>>>
place. However, the way Biden went about it was appalling -- as you
said, he "fucked it up". Biden's fuck up makes us look weak and
indecisive -- unfortunate in a world in which Iran clearly wants one
or more nuclear weapons and a China that just seized control of Hong
Kong and is clearly interested in Taiwan, and who knows what else.
Biden was resolute in his decision to withdraw. The fuckup calls into
question his competence.
On that we can agree. I have to wonder if he will serve out his term.
The alternative is president Kamala -- shudder.
"Competence" refers to proficiency not mental ability.
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