• Homosexual "non-mental illness" was DECIDED by VOTE not MEDICAL DISCOVE

    From They Voted To Molest Children@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 17 17:01:21 2021
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    Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away

    Post edited and updated January 2, 2013, to reflect
    clarifications as a result of interactions with the many people
    who have left comments. I thank them for their input.


    According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974
    homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to
    homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded
    that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other
    psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality
    was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no
    suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality
    might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness
    that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was
    listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.

    Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention
    in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as
    people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically
    and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly
    uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature
    task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal.
    The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote
    to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a
    vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was
    confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was
    no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was
    issued in 1974.

    What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of
    homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not
    triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new
    fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather,
    it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a
    fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard.
    And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good
    reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would
    have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their
    entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community
    and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

    The APA claimed that they made the change because new research
    showed that most homosexual people were content with their
    sexual orientation, and that as a group, they appeared to be as
    well-adjusted as heterosexual people. I suggest, however, that
    these research findings were simply the APA’s face-saver. For
    centuries, perhaps millennia, homosexual people had clung to
    their sexual orientation despite the most severe persecution and
    vilification, including imprisonment and death. Wouldn’t this
    suggest that they were happy with their orientation? Do we need
    research to confirm this? And if we do, shouldn’t we also need
    research to confirm that heterosexual people are happy with
    their orientation? And if poor adjustment is critical to a
    diagnosis of mental illness, where was the evidence of this that
    justified making homosexuality a mental illness in the first

    Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was
    by no means unanimous. Only about 55% of the members who voted
    favored the change.

    Of course, the APA put the best spin they could on these events.
    The fact is that they altered their taxonomy because of intense
    pressure from the gay community, but they claimed that the
    change was prompted by research findings.

    So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured”
    overnight – by a vote! I remember as a boy reading of the
    United Nations World Health Organization’s decision to eradicate
    smallpox. This was in 1967, and by 1977, after a truly
    staggering amount of work, the disease was a thing of the past.
    Why didn’t they just take a vote? Because smallpox is a real
    illness. The human problems listed in DSM are not. It’s that
    simple. You can say that geese are swans – but in reality
    they’re still geese.

    The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more
    than self-serving nonsense. Real illnesses are not banished by
    voting or by fiat, but by valid science and hard work. There
    are no mental illnesses. Rather, there are people. We have
    problems; we have orientations; we have habits; we have
    perspectives. Sometimes we do well, other times we make a mess
    of things. We are complicated. Our feelings fluctuate with our
    circumstances, from the depths of despondency to the pinnacles
    of bliss. And perhaps, most of all, we are individuals. DSM’s
    facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is
    an institutionalized insult to human dignity. The homosexual
    community has managed to liberate themselves from psychiatric
    oppression. But there are millions of people worldwide who are
    still being damaged, stigmatized, and disempowered by this
    pernicious system to this day.

    http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuali ty-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/


    Nanu Grewal • 2 years ago
    Hello Phil,
    That is an excellent posting about the homosexuality story.
    Crystal clear.
    And what a fine point you make about the fact that it would
    indeed be declared a disability now "rewarded" by a state
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    Phil Nanu Grewal • 2 years ago

    Thanks for the kind words and the suggestion. Best wishes.
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    Jeffery Scott Thomas Nanu Grewal • a year ago
    Excellent understanding and comment. In total agreement.
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    Jacob Blackburn Jeffery Scott Thomas • 11 months ago
    scizoprehnia- mental illness.
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    jeanne • 2 years ago
    And homosexuality is the basis of the current "anti-bullying"
    movement. There seems to be no other purpose but to protect
    young gays, precisley at the age when boys in the past would
    move on from adolescent crushes and to normal attractions.

    Now, I admit I'm confused. I thought there was a time 30 years
    ago when gays wanted it known that they weren't born that way,
    that it was freely chosen. But lately they seem to want to find
    a gay gene. They argue that they can't help the way they are.

    Now, how does this work for transsexuals? Shouldn't they accept
    they way they were born? Why do they think they have a right to
    change sexes and be recognized as such?
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    Phil jeanne • 2 years ago

    Thanks for coming back. Always nice to hear from you. As usual,
    you have raised some thorny issues. I started to write a reply,
    but it became so lengthy that I decided to make it a post in its
    own right. Stay tuned.

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    a) "Homosexuality" didn't really exist until certain
    religious fanatics got involved (and some generals who
    wanted a constant supply of cannon-fodder). Before
    that sex was sex ... whomever, whenever, who cares.
    This is not a NEW "category", one of the charges
    against Socrates was "corrupting the youth" (the
    generals at work).

    b) There is no "gay gene". Likely a LOT of genes
    COMBINED with the health/diet/environment of the

    c) The LAST thing gays should want is a "gay gene".
    "Liberalism" is a relatively new thing in the history
    of the planet and likely won't last. Covid has almost
    collapsed several nations, and ultra-authoritarianism
    follows such collapses. Imagine if the NAZIs or Taliban
    could just do a quickie gene test and identify gays
    in 5 minutes. SIX minutes and they'd be chopping off
    your head, or worse.

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