Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't work.
Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out against defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has fallen
on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their money
back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their funding targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd
last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in police spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York
Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force.
The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments
large and small and political pressures." https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't work.
Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out against
defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has fallen
on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their money
back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their funding
targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd
last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in police
spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York
Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force.
The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments
large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the problems are
caused by police being asked to do work that mental health professionals >should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For
example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd resisted >getting into the car.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't work.
Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out against
defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has fallen
on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their money
back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their funding
targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd
last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in police
spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York
Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force.
The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments
large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the problems are
caused by police being asked to do work that mental health professionals
should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For
example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd resisted
getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him
into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't work. >>>> Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out against
defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has fallen >>>> on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their money >>>> back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their funding >>>> targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd
last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in police
spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York
Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force.
The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments
large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the problems are
caused by police being asked to do work that mental health professionals >>> should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For
example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd resisted >>> getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him
into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
Talking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a
mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not only >practical, but the right thing to do.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:08:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't work. >>>>> Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out against >>>>> defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has fallen >>>>> on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their money >>>>> back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their funding >>>>> targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd
last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in police >>>>> spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York
Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force.
The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of crime >>>>> in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments
large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the problems are >>>> caused by police being asked to do work that mental health professionals >>>> should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For
example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd resisted >>>> getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him
into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
Talking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a
mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not only
practical, but the right thing to do.
Forcing him into the car for transport to detention strikes me as the
right and best thing to do. If he successfully resists, call for more
police help. Until they arrive, restrain him in a non-lethal manner.
On 10/11/2021 6:43 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:08:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't work. >>>>>> Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out against >>>>>> defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has fallen >>>>>> on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their money >>>>>> back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their funding >>>>>> targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd >>>>>> last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in police >>>>>> spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York >>>>>> Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force.
The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of crime >>>>>> in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments >>>>>> large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the problems are >>>>> caused by police being asked to do work that mental health professionals >>>>> should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For
example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd resisted >>>>> getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him
into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
Talking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a
mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not only >>> practical, but the right thing to do.
Forcing him into the car for transport to detention strikes me as the
right and best thing to do. If he successfully resists, call for more
police help. Until they arrive, restrain him in a non-lethal manner.
He was not a danger to anyone and was either resisting due to the effect
of drugs or a panic attack. Force was the wrong call.
On 10/11/2021 11:51 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:22:00 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 6:43 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:08:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't >>>>>>>> work.
Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out
against
defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has >>>>>>>> fallen
on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their >>>>>>>> money
back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their >>>>>>>> funding
targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd >>>>>>>> last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in >>>>>>>> police
spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York >>>>>>>> Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force. >>>>>>>> The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of >>>>>>>> crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments >>>>>>>> large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the
problems are
caused by police being asked to do work that mental health
professionals
should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For >>>>>>> example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd
resisted
getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him >>>>>> into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
Talking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a >>>>> mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not
only
practical, but the right thing to do.
Forcing him into the car for transport to detention strikes me as the
right and best thing to do. If he successfully resists, call for more
police help. Until they arrive, restrain him in a non-lethal manner.
He was not a danger to anyone and was either resisting due to the effect >>> of drugs or a panic attack. Force was the wrong call.
Force was the only call. Criminals who resist law enforcement with
force must be met with force. If the criminal is beyond reason,
crazed, and uncontrollably violent, then bring in a medic armed with a
needle, spray, or some other means of sedation. If you prefer the
counselor route I would be interested in reading about success with
that method. Cite?
I don't think there is research because it hasn't been tried. All I know
is the is the force-first approach fails too often.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:22:00 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 6:43 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:08:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't work. >>>>>>> Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out against >>>>>>> defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has fallen >>>>>>> on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their money >>>>>>> back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their funding >>>>>>> targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd >>>>>>> last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in police >>>>>>> spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York >>>>>>> Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force. >>>>>>> The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of crime >>>>>>> in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments >>>>>>> large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the problems are >>>>>> caused by police being asked to do work that mental health professionals >>>>>> should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For >>>>>> example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd resisted >>>>>> getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him >>>>> into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
Talking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a
mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not only >>>> practical, but the right thing to do.
Forcing him into the car for transport to detention strikes me as the
right and best thing to do. If he successfully resists, call for more
police help. Until they arrive, restrain him in a non-lethal manner.
He was not a danger to anyone and was either resisting due to the effect
of drugs or a panic attack. Force was the wrong call.
Force was the only call. Criminals who resist law enforcement with
force must be met with force. If the criminal is beyond reason,
crazed, and uncontrollably violent, then bring in a medic armed with a needle, spray, or some other means of sedation. If you prefer the
counselor route I would be interested in reading about success with
that method. Cite?
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:48:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2021 8:33 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
On 10/11/2021 11:51 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:22:00 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 6:43 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:08:34 -0700, Josh RosenbluthHe was not a danger to anyone and was either resisting due to the effect >>>>> of drugs or a panic attack. Force was the wrong call.
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't >>>>>>>>>> work.
Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out >>>>>>>>>> against
defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has >>>>>>>>>> fallen
on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their >>>>>>>>>> money
back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their >>>>>>>>>> funding
targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd >>>>>>>>>> last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in >>>>>>>>>> police
spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York >>>>>>>>>> Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force. >>>>>>>>>> The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of >>>>>>>>>> crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments >>>>>>>>>> large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the
problems are
caused by police being asked to do work that mental health
professionals
should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For >>>>>>>>> example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd >>>>>>>>> resisted
getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him >>>>>>>> into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
Talking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a >>>>>>> mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not >>>>>>> only
practical, but the right thing to do.
Forcing him into the car for transport to detention strikes me as the >>>>>> right and best thing to do. If he successfully resists, call for more >>>>>> police help. Until they arrive, restrain him in a non-lethal manner. >>>>>
Force was the only call. Criminals who resist law enforcement with
force must be met with force. If the criminal is beyond reason,
crazed, and uncontrollably violent, then bring in a medic armed with a >>>> needle, spray, or some other means of sedation. If you prefer the
counselor route I would be interested in reading about success with
that method. Cite?
I don't think there is research because it hasn't been tried. All I know >>> is the is the force-first approach fails too often.
Perhaps this experiment will provide some data:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/mental-health-community-safety/2021/10/08/369794d0-26bd-11ec-a6ad-9ee7deda7f34_story.html
Interesting, but we are discussing the apprehension of criminals, not
the insane. In any event, whether criminal or insane, physically
attacking a police officer is not a wise move, but it is all too
common. In 2020 48 police officers were shot and killed -- 51, the
previous year. https://nationalpolicesupportfund.com/officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty-2020/
George Floyd, a career criminal, has become a great hero of the Left.
An enormous bronze bust of Floyd was erected in New York's Union
Square. Can you name even one of those 99 dead police officers?
On 10/12/2021 8:33 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
On 10/11/2021 11:51 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:22:00 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 6:43 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:08:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't >>>>>>>>> work.
Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out >>>>>>>>> against
defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has >>>>>>>>> fallen
on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their >>>>>>>>> money
back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their >>>>>>>>> funding
targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd >>>>>>>>> last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in >>>>>>>>> police
spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York >>>>>>>>> Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force. >>>>>>>>> The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of >>>>>>>>> crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments >>>>>>>>> large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the
problems are
caused by police being asked to do work that mental health
professionals
should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For >>>>>>>> example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd >>>>>>>> resisted
getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him >>>>>>> into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical.
Talking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a >>>>>> mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not >>>>>> only
practical, but the right thing to do.
Forcing him into the car for transport to detention strikes me as the >>>>> right and best thing to do. If he successfully resists, call for more >>>>> police help. Until they arrive, restrain him in a non-lethal manner.
He was not a danger to anyone and was either resisting due to the effect >>>> of drugs or a panic attack. Force was the wrong call.
Force was the only call. Criminals who resist law enforcement with
force must be met with force. If the criminal is beyond reason,
crazed, and uncontrollably violent, then bring in a medic armed with a
needle, spray, or some other means of sedation. If you prefer the
counselor route I would be interested in reading about success with
that method. Cite?
I don't think there is research because it hasn't been tried. All I know
is the is the force-first approach fails too often.
Perhaps this experiment will provide some data:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/mental-health-community-safety/2021/10/08/369794d0-26bd-11ec-a6ad-9ee7deda7f34_story.html
On 10/12/2021 11:15 AM, El Castor wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:48:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2021 8:33 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
On 10/11/2021 11:51 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:22:00 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 6:43 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:08:34 -0700, Josh RosenbluthHe was not a danger to anyone and was either resisting due to the effect >>>>>> of drugs or a panic attack. Force was the wrong call.
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 4:02 PM, El Castor wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:24:43 -0700, Josh RosenbluthTalking him into the police car isn't the only option, and sending a >>>>>>>> mental health professional to assess what is best strikes me as not >>>>>>>> only
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2021 12:56 PM, El Castor wrote:
Hmmm, it looks like counseling and cajoling the criminals didn't >>>>>>>>>>> work.
Even one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has come out >>>>>>>>>>> against
defunding. Another ill conceived illogical left wing scheme has >>>>>>>>>>> fallen
on it's face. (-8
"In cities across the U.S., police departments are getting their >>>>>>>>>>> money
back. From New York to Los Angeles, departments that saw their >>>>>>>>>>> funding
targeted amid nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd >>>>>>>>>>> last year have watched as local leaders voted for increases in >>>>>>>>>>> police
spending, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York >>>>>>>>>>> Police Department and a 3% boost given to the Los Angeles force. >>>>>>>>>>> The abrupt reversals have come in response to rising levels of >>>>>>>>>>> crime
in major cities last year, the exodus of officers from departments >>>>>>>>>>> large and small and political pressures."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-police-department-funding-20211011-rw6jwgfvsjgzblpn22nxmc5p2y-story.html
Defunding the police was a bad idea. However, some of the
problems are
caused by police being asked to do work that mental health >>>>>>>>>> professionals
should be doing, which might change how funding is distributed. For >>>>>>>>>> example, the police should have called for such help once Floyd >>>>>>>>>> resisted
getting into the car.
Called for help and waited for a psychologist to show up and talk him >>>>>>>>> into the car? Preferable to his death, but not very practical. >>>>>>>>
practical, but the right thing to do.
Forcing him into the car for transport to detention strikes me as the >>>>>>> right and best thing to do. If he successfully resists, call for more >>>>>>> police help. Until they arrive, restrain him in a non-lethal manner. >>>>>>
Force was the only call. Criminals who resist law enforcement with
force must be met with force. If the criminal is beyond reason,
crazed, and uncontrollably violent, then bring in a medic armed with a >>>>> needle, spray, or some other means of sedation. If you prefer the
counselor route I would be interested in reading about success with
that method. Cite?
I don't think there is research because it hasn't been tried. All I know >>>> is the is the force-first approach fails too often.
Perhaps this experiment will provide some data:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/mental-health-community-safety/2021/10/08/369794d0-26bd-11ec-a6ad-9ee7deda7f34_story.html
Interesting, but we are discussing the apprehension of criminals, not
the insane. In any event, whether criminal or insane, physically
attacking a police officer is not a wise move, but it is all too
common. In 2020 48 police officers were shot and killed -- 51, the
previous year.
https://nationalpolicesupportfund.com/officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty-2020/
George Floyd, a career criminal, has become a great hero of the Left.
An enormous bronze bust of Floyd was erected in New York's Union
Square. Can you name even one of those 99 dead police officers?
Nope, but that that makes no difference in the policy analysis.
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