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  • Hadith on abstaining from begging

    From Fariduddien@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 10 05:19:51 2016
    Abdullah ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, was upon the pulpit mentioning charity and abstaining from begging and he said,

    "The upper hand is better than the lower hand. The upper hand is one that gives and the lower hand is one that takes."

    (Sahih Muslim)

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  • From DKleinecke@21:1/5 to Fariduddien on Sun Jan 10 11:49:17 2016
    On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 3:20:03 AM UTC-8, Fariduddien wrote:
    Abdullah ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, was upon the pulpit mentioning charity and abstaining from begging and he said,

    "The upper hand is better than the lower hand. The upper hand is one that gives and the lower hand is one that takes."

    (Sahih Muslim)

    There are other clearer hadiths expressing disapproval of open begging but
    not exactly forbidding it. Beggars have been a problem everywhere and nobody has ever come up with a humane way to eliminate them.

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  • From David Amicus@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 10 16:20:32 2016
    How ought charity to be done?

    I know it's a stereotype from watching Sinbad movies but usually there is someone outside a mosque begging saying "Alms for the love of Allah".

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  • From DKleinecke@21:1/5 to David Amicus on Mon Jan 11 12:15:04 2016
    On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 2:30:04 PM UTC-8, David Amicus wrote:
    How ought charity to be done?

    I know it's a stereotype from watching Sinbad movies but usually there is someone outside a mosque begging saying "Alms for the love of Allah".

    You don't have to go to a movie to see beggars. Here is the US they are
    usually called "panhandlers" and they might be found anywhere.

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  • From Fariduddien@21:1/5 to DKleinecke on Mon Jan 11 16:55:16 2016
    On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 5:50:03 PM UTC, DKleinecke wrote:
    On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 3:20:03 AM UTC-8, Fariduddien wrote:
    Abdullah ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, was upon the pulpit mentioning charity and abstaining from begging and he said,

    "The upper hand is better than the lower hand. The upper hand is one that gives and the lower hand is one that takes."

    (Sahih Muslim)

    There are other clearer hadiths expressing disapproval of open begging but not exactly forbidding it. Beggars have been a problem everywhere and nobody has ever come up with a humane way to eliminate them.

    Salam,

    To my understanding, Islam discourages begging, yet if people do ask, it encourages giving...

    The Qur'an says in meaning (M. A. S. Abdel Haleem translation)

    2:177 "Goodness does not consist in turning your face towards East or
    West. The truly good are those who believe in God and the Last Day,
    in the angels, the Scripture, and the prophets; who give away some
    of their wealth, however much they cherish it, to their relatives, to
    orphans, the needy, travellers and beggars, and to liberate those in
    bondage; those who keep up the prayer and pay the prescribed alms;
    who keep pledges whenever they make them; who are steadfast in
    misfortune, adversity, and times of danger. These are the ones who
    are true, and it is they who are aware of God."

    Note that among those who it is encouraged to give alms to is listed "travellers and beggars"...

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