• Paris court rules it's OK to call a gay hairdresser a 'faggot'

    From Duct Tape@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 18 07:59:20 2017
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    According to a shock ruling by a Paris employment tribunal,
    calling a gay male hairdresser a “dirty faggot” is not a
    homophobic insult, because there are lots of gay male
    hairdressers.

    The ruling, which emerged this week in Metronews, has sparked
    obvious anger among the gay community, who have been left
    stunned, not only by the judgement but also by the tribunal's
    explanation.

    The ruling relates to the sacking of a hairdresser in Paris last
    year after he failed to turn up for work, because he was sick.

    Following the sacking the female boss of the salon accidentally
    sent a message to the employee he had just fired which said: “I
    am not going to keep [the hairdresser in question]. I don’t have
    a good feeling about this guy. He’s a dirty faggot…They're all
    up to no good.”

    The words used in French were "sale PD", with PD being short for
    "pédé", a derogatory term that normally translates as "faggot".

    The employee took his boss to the tribunal for unfair dismissal
    and claimed the text message clearly showed there was homophobic
    motive to the sacking.

    The hairdressers said the employee was let go because he was
    "slow" and had "trouble fitting in", refused to do certain tasks
    and "aimed to quickly get a management position".

    Despite the fact that in French the word “PD” is clearly viewed
    as being derogatory the tribunal decided it wasn’t a homophobic
    insult and therefore not an aggravating factor in the man’s
    dismissal.

    But then came the tribunal's bizarre reasoning.

    “If we put it in the context of the field of hairdressing, the
    council considers that the term “faggot” used by a manager
    cannot be considered as a homophobic insult, because hair salons
    regularly employ gay people, notably in female hairdressers, and
    that poses no problem at all,” read the tribunal’s written
    judgement.

    While ruling that the employer did not discriminate against the
    employee, the tribunal awarded him 5,000 euros ($5,700) for
    moral prejudice "because injurious words were used".

    The ruling was tweeted out this week and quickly prompted anger
    on social media in France.

    https://twitter.com/MBrancourt/status/718113621126025216/photo/1 ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelocal.fr%2F201 60408%2Fits-ok-to-call-a-hairdresser-a-faggot-rules-paris-
    tribunal

    "You are a hairdresser, you get called a faggot and that's OK
    because hairdressers are often gay right. Thanks to the
    tribunal," tweeted Mathieu Brancourt, a journalist who revealed
    the ruling.

    Another tweeted: "So basically it's OK to be homophobic if you
    work in an area with lots of homosexuals. Fantastic guys".

    Gilles Dehais president of SOS Homophobie told The Local: "It's
    scandalous and of course we are outraged. But this is a
    reflection of the ordinary homophobia that is present in daily
    life in France and to which gay, lesbian and transsexual people
    are victims of.

    The ruling "may worsen the homophobic climate, which is already
    bad," said Clemence Zamora-Cruz, spokeswoman of the group Inter-
    LGBT.

    She said discrimination against gays rarely gets a hearing
    because the victims "prefer to keep quiet".

    The decision was "clearly homophobic", said Nicolas Noguier, who
    runs a shelter for victims of homophobia. "Condensed into three
    or four lines, it's really all the insults that the young people
    we help are subjected to."

    The French labour minister Myrian El Khomri spoke out against
    the ruling on Friday morning calling it "outrageous " and
    "shocking".

    France’s rights watchdog Le Défenseur des Droits, has become
    involved in the case and has confirmed the victim will appeal
    the ruling.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20160408/its-ok-to-call-a-hairdresser-a- faggot-rules-paris-tribunal
     

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  • From M.I.Wakefield@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 18 08:34:39 2017
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    "Duct Tape" wrote in message news:a918be1e9385be97aede8354f692a075@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...

    According to a shock ruling by a Paris employment tribunal,

    Don't put too much faith in European employment tribunals ... in the past they've ruled in favour auto-workers who were sleeping on the job, and
    airport baggage-handlers who were stealing from luggage ... in both cases because they'd been doing it for years, and everybody knew.

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  • From Exeter!@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Wed Oct 18 07:57:48 2017
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    On 10/18/2017 6:34 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Duct Tape"  wrote in message news:a918be1e9385be97aede8354f692a075@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...

    According to a shock ruling by a Paris employment tribunal,

    Don't put too much faith in European employment tribunals ... in the
    past they've ruled in favour auto-workers who were sleeping on the job,
    and airport baggage-handlers who were stealing from luggage ... in both
    cases because they'd been doing it for years, and everybody knew.

    Nice to see you rehabilitated from your America obsession, toad.

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  • From M.I.Wakefield@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 18 10:20:05 2017
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    "Exeter!" wrote in message news:os7ml0$7bu$7@news.mixmin.net...

    Plonk!

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  • From Exeter!@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Wed Oct 18 12:44:48 2017
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    On 10/18/2017 8:20 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Exeter!"  wrote in message news:os7ml0$7bu$7@news.mixmin.net...
    Plonk!

    YEE HAW!!!!



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  • From Duct Tape@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 22 09:18:02 2017
    XPost: alt.disney, alt.personals.motss, alt.fashion
    XPost: stl.general

    According to a shock ruling by a Paris employment tribunal,
    calling a gay male hairdresser a “dirty faggot” is not a
    homophobic insult, because there are lots of gay male
    hairdressers.

    The ruling, which emerged this week in Metronews, has sparked
    obvious anger among the gay community, who have been left
    stunned, not only by the judgement but also by the tribunal's
    explanation.

    The ruling relates to the sacking of a hairdresser in Paris last
    year after he failed to turn up for work, because he was sick.

    Following the sacking the female boss of the salon accidentally
    sent a message to the employee he had just fired which said: “I
    am not going to keep [the hairdresser in question]. I don’t have
    a good feeling about this guy. He’s a dirty faggot…They're all
    up to no good.”

    The words used in French were "sale PD", with PD being short for
    "pédé", a derogatory term that normally translates as "faggot".

    The employee took his boss to the tribunal for unfair dismissal
    and claimed the text message clearly showed there was homophobic
    motive to the sacking.

    The hairdressers said the employee was let go because he was
    "slow" and had "trouble fitting in", refused to do certain tasks
    and "aimed to quickly get a management position".

    Despite the fact that in French the word “PD” is clearly viewed
    as being derogatory the tribunal decided it wasn’t a homophobic
    insult and therefore not an aggravating factor in the man’s
    dismissal.

    But then came the tribunal's bizarre reasoning.

    “If we put it in the context of the field of hairdressing, the
    council considers that the term “faggot” used by a manager
    cannot be considered as a homophobic insult, because hair salons
    regularly employ gay people, notably in female hairdressers, and
    that poses no problem at all,” read the tribunal’s written
    judgement.

    While ruling that the employer did not discriminate against the
    employee, the tribunal awarded him 5,000 euros ($5,700) for
    moral prejudice "because injurious words were used".

    The ruling was tweeted out this week and quickly prompted anger
    on social media in France.

    https://twitter.com/MBrancourt/status/718113621126025216/photo/1 ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelocal.fr%2F201 60408%2Fits-ok-to-call-a-hairdresser-a-faggot-rules-paris-
    tribunal

    "You are a hairdresser, you get called a faggot and that's OK
    because hairdressers are often gay right. Thanks to the
    tribunal," tweeted Mathieu Brancourt, a journalist who revealed
    the ruling.

    Another tweeted: "So basically it's OK to be homophobic if you
    work in an area with lots of homosexuals. Fantastic guys".

    Gilles Dehais president of SOS Homophobie told The Local: "It's
    scandalous and of course we are outraged. But this is a
    reflection of the ordinary homophobia that is present in daily
    life in France and to which gay, lesbian and transsexual people
    are victims of.

    The ruling "may worsen the homophobic climate, which is already
    bad," said Clemence Zamora-Cruz, spokeswoman of the group Inter-
    LGBT.

    She said discrimination against gays rarely gets a hearing
    because the victims "prefer to keep quiet".

    The decision was "clearly homophobic", said Nicolas Noguier, who
    runs a shelter for victims of homophobia. "Condensed into three
    or four lines, it's really all the insults that the young people
    we help are subjected to."

    The French labour minister Myrian El Khomri spoke out against
    the ruling on Friday morning calling it "outrageous " and
    "shocking".

    France’s rights watchdog Le Défenseur des Droits, has become
    involved in the case and has confirmed the victim will appeal
    the ruling.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20160408/its-ok-to-call-a-hairdresser-a- faggot-rules-paris-tribunal
     

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  • From Late Comer@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 4 11:17:12 2017
    On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 3:23:38 AM UTC-4, Duct Tape wrote:


    I've always found the term "faggot" to be insulting and derogatory, which explains why it's used extensively by anti-Gay hate spreaders.

    Myself, while the term "Gay" truly defines me, I guess it goes back to my teen years in the very late 60's and early 70's, when I struggled with my sexuality, a struggle I should have given into right then, that I really embrace the term "Queer". While
    it definitely ages me, as all the young guys prefer "Gay", I still like it!

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