• The Great Arizona Recount

    From Tiglath@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Wed Jul 21 21:04:22 2021
    On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 5:29:53 PM UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:



    You are heavily computerized, you have Social Security cards with
    unique numbers, so why not electronic balloting?

    Fer Chrissake!

    You've gotta be joking.

    In the Hacking Age, Jason recommends we ask the people to trust online voting...

    If bad loser presidents can throw doubt on manual systems and manual recounts as easily as we see Trump do it, can you imagine the charges that would fly around claiming massive election hack to.... steal the election, if there were no backup paper
    ballots? It would be impossible to disprove with no manual recount available for audit.

    Are you aware that repeated manual recounts do not convince these election deniers? Fuck them, but at least people genuinely wanting to verify the count can be satisfied that physical ballots are sufficient evidence, after several official recounts, to
    know what to believe.

    The last US election was the safest ever, they've checked many times. The system is imperfect but makes it very difficult pull off massive fraud, because elections are not centralized, as online voting would be.

    Online voting is not a problem if you use multi-factor authentication, but that is not the point. It would make it ideal for Trump-like losing candidates to mount disruptive bad loser campaigns, as we see Trump do now with his Big Lie.

    You suggestion may well make sense a few decades but not today's days of civil cold war.

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 22 16:21:34 2021
    On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
    wrote:

    On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 5:29:53 PM UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:



    You are heavily computerized, you have Social Security cards with
    unique numbers, so why not electronic balloting?

    Fer Chrissake!

    You've gotta be joking.

    In the Hacking Age, Jason recommends we ask the people to trust online voting...

    Using you social security card is not the same thing as electronic
    voting.

    If bad loser presidents can throw doubt on manual systems and manual recounts as easily as we see Trump do it, can you imagine the charges that would fly around claiming massive election hack to.... steal the election, if there were no backup paper
    ballots? It would be impossible to disprove with no manual recount available for audit.

    Are you aware that repeated manual recounts do not convince these election deniers? Fuck them, but at least people genuinely wanting to verify the count can be satisfied that physical ballots are sufficient evidence, after several official recounts, to
    know what to believe.

    All the manual counts did was confirm that the nuber of fake votes had
    been counted accurately the first time.

    The last US election was the safest ever, they've checked many times. The system is imperfect but makes it very difficult pull off massive fraud, because elections are not centralized, as online voting would be.

    Ultimately the recent elections were electronically centralized.

    Online voting is not a problem if you use multi-factor authentication, but that is not the point. It would make it ideal for Trump-like losing candidates to mount disruptive bad loser campaigns, as we see Trump do now with his Big Lie.

    Trump has been complaining about fake paper votes, unqualified paper
    votes, arithmetical fudging inside the electronic vote counting
    machines, the wholesale electronic dumping of fake votes into the
    system at the last minute. Online voting would prevent only some of
    these.

    You suggestion may well make sense a few decades but not today's days of civil cold war.

    It doesn't make sense in today's civil war only if you want one side
    to be favoured more than the other.
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    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 23 07:45:03 2021
    On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
    wrote:

    On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 5:29:53 PM UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:



    You are heavily computerized, you have Social Security cards with
    unique numbers, so why not electronic balloting?

    Fer Chrissake!

    You've gotta be joking.

    You know me better than that! Tsk! Tsk!

    In the Hacking Age, Jason recommends we ask the people to trust online voting...


    Curious. The Great Unwashed trust their mobile iGadgets for banking &
    ID. Why not voting? I've heard these necessity-generating gizmos
    have fingerprint & eye scanners, heart-beat & voice recognition and
    similar gunk to numerous to mention.

    If bad loser presidents can throw doubt on manual systems and manual recounts as easily as we see Trump do it, can you imagine the charges that would fly around claiming massive election hack to.... steal the election, if there were no backup paper
    ballots? It would be impossible to disprove with no manual recount available for audit.

    Nay, the politicians of both persuasions believe they have the system
    rigged (they have) and are concerned about the scrutinizers & other
    hangers-on losing they 4-yearly sinecures.

    Are you aware that repeated manual recounts do not convince these election deniers? Fuck them, but at least people genuinely wanting to verify the count can be satisfied that physical ballots are sufficient evidence, after several official recounts, to
    know what to believe.

    Of course, had there been no Keynesians in the 1990s, there would be
    no deniers. Even Clinton-the-randy believed "it's the economy".
    Sleepy Joe has dropped a trillion into the morass in a vain attempt to "stimulate spending" (on all that Chinese junk) even though dropping
    interest rates over the past 15 years has had no such effect.


    The last US election was the safest ever, they've checked many times. The system is imperfect but makes it very difficult pull off massive fraud, because elections are not centralized, as online voting would be.

    Online voting is not a problem if you use multi-factor authentication, but that is not the point. It would make it ideal for Trump-like losing candidates to mount disruptive bad loser campaigns, as we see Trump do now with his Big Lie.

    You suggestion may well make sense a few decades but not today's days of civil cold war.

    It's all the fault of Alan Greenspan, who will die in his bed instead
    of on the gallows. Why not give every citizen his own printing press
    to print dollars and so create his own stimulus!

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