• Joe Biden Sinking

    From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 13 13:14:21 2021
    Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

    Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

    If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

    Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to D. Spencer Hines on Thu Oct 14 14:01:15 2021
    On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

    Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

    If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

    Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

    NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?

    Interesting...

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to D. Spencer Hines on Thu Oct 14 16:21:11 2021
    On 10/14/2021 2:01 PM, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

    Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

    If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus. >>
    Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

    NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?

    Interesting...

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Good to see you post again.
    The posters on all the newsgroups are really decreasing.

    I hope your health and overall status is good.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to dsh1602@gmail.com on Sat Oct 16 09:05:28 2021
    On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:01:15 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines" <dsh1602@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote: >> Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

    Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

    If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus. >>
    Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

    NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?

    Interesting...

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
    be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.
    I suppose he hasn't the balls to annex Mexico and the like and raise a
    wall across the isthmus of Panama.
    And Alan Greenspan is still at large! Remember 2008!!
    And he added few trillion of paper in the USD. The USD would
    dissolve in water now.
    Still, Sleepy Joe might follow the medical dictum of "do no harm" and
    hand the diminished presidency over to some successor.
    This successor might do the proper things like...
    1/ Merge most states.
    2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.
    3/ Raise tariffs.
    4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Fri Oct 15 20:58:16 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:05:35 PM UTC-10, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:01:15 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines" <dsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

    Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

    If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

    Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

    NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?

    Interesting...

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
    be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.
    I suppose he hasn't the balls to annex Mexico and the like and raise a
    wall across the isthmus of Panama.
    And Alan Greenspan is still at large! Remember 2008!!
    And he added few trillion of paper in the USD. The USD would
    dissolve in water now.
    Still, Sleepy Joe might follow the medical dictum of "do no harm" and
    hand the diminished presidency over to some successor.
    This successor might do the proper things like...
    1/ Merge most states.
    2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.
    3/ Raise tariffs.
    4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

    Well, you are at least thinking about it and not afraid to post.

    Bravo!

    But Beware!....................

    You might be called out as a Domestic Terrorist!

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 15 20:54:49 2021
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:21:11 PM UTC-10, a425couple wrote:
    On 10/14/2021 2:01 PM, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

    Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

    If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

    Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

    NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?

    Interesting...

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Good to see you post again.
    The posters on all the newsgroups are really decreasing.

    I hope your health and overall status is good.

    Yes, I'm good. Thank you. Stay Safe.

    You're right many people have abandoned the newsgroups. The Quality is really down.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 16 10:11:02 2021
    Peter Jason
    D. Spencer Hines

    Interesting...

    Hey, welcome back.

    Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
    be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.

    What? This was Trump’s policy, both GTFO of Afghanistan and returning
    to the days of “fortress America”, especially as it related to trade and illegal
    mass migration, neither of which Biden gives a shit about, especially the illegals pouring over the southern border.

    This successor might do the proper things like...
    1/ Merge most states.

    ?

    2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.

    Oh I can see a biometric database being created but not to halt illegal immigration but to keep tighter control over legal American citizens.

    3/ Raise tariffs.

    LOL, no. Once again, it was Trump and ONLY Trump who was harping
    on the outrageous trade imbalance between the U.S. and China (and
    other nations).

    https://i.postimg.cc/gj6RXn2D/China-US-trade-deficit.jpg
    https://ibb.co/GT2s7pq

    Biden and the others are all in Wall Street’s pocket and will continue
    the retarded policy of “Free Trade” as it profits the 1%ers who butter their bread.

    4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

    The Dems have been and will continue to push for more taxes but these
    tax increases will fall on the working class, (as always) while the 1%ers
    are given loopholes.

    Bidens latest plan is requiring banks to flag ANY transaction over $600
    and send a notice to the IRS.

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to dsh1602@gmail.com on Sun Oct 17 16:24:38 2021
    On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 20:54:49 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines" <dsh1602@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:21:11 PM UTC-10, a425couple wrote:
    On 10/14/2021 2:01 PM, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

    Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

    If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

    Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

    NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?

    Interesting...

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Good to see you post again.
    The posters on all the newsgroups are really decreasing.

    I hope your health and overall status is good.

    Yes, I'm good. Thank you. Stay Safe.

    You're right many people have abandoned the newsgroups. The Quality is really down.

    That last is what Beau Brummel said.
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to edstasiak1067@gmail.com on Mon Oct 18 16:40:44 2021
    On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:11:02 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
    <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason
    D. Spencer Hines

    Interesting...

    Hey, welcome back.

    Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
    be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.

    What? This was Trumps policy, both GTFO of Afghanistan and returning
    to the days of fortress America, especially as it related to trade and illegal
    mass migration, neither of which Biden gives a shit about, especially the >illegals pouring over the southern border.

    This successor might do the proper things like...
    1/ Merge most states.

    Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services must
    cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.

    2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.

    Oh I can see a biometric database being created but not to halt illegal >immigration but to keep tighter control over legal American citizens.

    Exactly. Americans have way too much freedom. What is REALLY needed
    is progress & stability. A biometric database would really upset
    the Wall St sharks & their tax avoidance activities. And fingerprint
    company directors as well because their as guilty as Satan.

    3/ Raise tariffs.

    LOL, no. Once again, it was Trump and ONLY Trump who was harping
    on the outrageous trade imbalance between the U.S. and China (and
    other nations).

    https://i.postimg.cc/gj6RXn2D/China-US-trade-deficit.jpg >https://ibb.co/GT2s7pq

    Biden and the others are all in Wall Streets pocket and will continue
    the retarded policy of Free Trade as it profits the 1%ers who butter
    their bread.

    4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

    It is income that's rorted. Point of sale (expenditure) taxes are
    harder to avoid.

    The Dems have been and will continue to push for more taxes but these
    tax increases will fall on the working class, (as always) while the 1%ers
    are given loopholes.

    Bidens latest plan is requiring banks to flag ANY transaction over $600
    and send a notice to the IRS.

    We have had something similar for ages, only it is about AUD$10,000.
    The banks ignore this, and so we have the crims parked outside ATMs
    stuffing them with currency then into dummy accounts. The banks are
    rotten to the marrow too. The regularity authorities are sinecures
    for old farts nearing retirement.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 18 14:59:53 2021
    Peter Jason
    Ed Stasiak
    Peter Jason

    Merge most states.

    Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services
    must cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.

    Not that I ever see that happening but here's a couple of
    speculative maps:

    https://i.postimg.cc/KzWprn0X/US-38-States.jpg
    https://ibb.co/qC6jvQc

    https://i.postimg.cc/VLX1v6Ns/US-50-states-equal-population.jpg https://ibb.co/5cGBnrq

    Oh I can see a biometric database being created but not to
    halt illegal immigration but to keep tighter control over
    legal American citizens.

    Exactly. Americans have way too much freedom. What is REALLY
    needed is progress & stability. A biometric database would
    really upset the Wall St sharks & their tax avoidance activities.
    And fingerprint company directors as well because their as guilty
    as Satan.

    As with the taxes, the Global Corporate-Government Nobility will
    get loopholes, this would only apply to peasants like you and me.

    4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

    It is income that's rorted. Point of sale (expenditure) taxes
    are harder to avoid.

    Sales taxes hurt the working class far more then the 1%ers.

    https://i.postimg.cc/L4fGBWFN/restaurant-bill.jpg
    https://ibb.co/7y6NLPD

    Bidens latest plan is requiring banks to flag ANY transaction
    over $600 and send a notice to the IRS.

    We have had something similar for ages, only it is about AUD$10,000.

    So does the U.S. but with a $600 limit, all kinda peasants are
    going to get jammed up by the IRS while the Global Corporate
    Government Nobility continue to hide their wealth in secret
    overseas bank accounts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Mon Oct 18 22:45:18 2021
    On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:40:44 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    This successor might do the proper things like...
    1/ Merge most states.

    Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services must
    cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.


    Silly question from a non-American but legally whose permission would
    be required to divide or merge an existing state(s).

    Obviously the state's permission (presumably expressed by referendum)
    - and if a merger both states involved. Presumably also the federal government's since such a move would impact the number of federal representatives in both houses. (But again - which body(ies) would be
    required to vote for a new state or merger of two existing state? HoR?
    Senate? both? presumably not the president acting alone)

    Anybody else? Is there in fact an existing constitutional procedure to
    do this?

    The experience of Virginia and West Virginia is not I think relevant
    since at the time Virginia was a state in rebellion and the counties
    that formed West Virginia were solidly against secession which is a
    unique circumstance I would not expect ever to be duplicated.

    I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's
    joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
    a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only
    currently potential states.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 20 07:39:26 2021
    On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:45:18 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:40:44 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    This successor might do the proper things like...
    1/ Merge most states.

    Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services must
    cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.


    Silly question from a non-American but legally whose permission would
    be required to divide or merge an existing state(s).

    Obviously the state's permission (presumably expressed by referendum)
    - and if a merger both states involved. Presumably also the federal >government's since such a move would impact the number of federal >representatives in both houses. (But again - which body(ies) would be >required to vote for a new state or merger of two existing state? HoR? >Senate? both? presumably not the president acting alone)

    Anybody else? Is there in fact an existing constitutional procedure to
    do this?

    The experience of Virginia and West Virginia is not I think relevant
    since at the time Virginia was a state in rebellion and the counties
    that formed West Virginia were solidly against secession which is a
    unique circumstance I would not expect ever to be duplicated.

    I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's >joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
    a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only
    currently potential states.

    Well, Bismarck did it in 1870.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Tue Oct 19 21:07:07 2021
    On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 07:39:26 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's >>joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
    a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only
    currently potential states.

    Well, Bismarck did it in 1870.

    Bismarck won a war with France. Surely you're not suggesting THAT as a
    method of bringing about a change in state boundaries?

    Any other potential states? I don't think American Samoa has remotely
    the needed population.

    And I don't the rest of the Union is ready for TWO Californias!
    (That's partly a serious partly a joking comment)

    You mentioned Bismarck - did you know that Kaiser Wilhelm II was the
    arbiter agreed to by both the UK and USA to set the boundary of the
    Alaska Panhandle between the US and Canada? True.

    We still liked Kaiser Bill in 1903 :)

    https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/alaska-boundary-dispute

    The timing is important as Skagway AK was an important supply route
    for prospectors to the Klondike gold fields in the gold rush of
    1897-98. The dispute had smoldered for 20+ years but with the
    discovery of gold it was clear that "SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE" (tm)
    and Britain "persuaded" Canada to get serious about it.

    141W was and still is the boundary north of 60N since forever (Russia
    had declared it to be the boundary from the beginning) but the
    boundary of the panhandle had been a bit iffy mostly due to the
    geography of the area.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 22 07:26:41 2021
    On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 21:07:07 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 07:39:26 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's >>>joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
    a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only >>>currently potential states.

    Well, Bismarck did it in 1870.

    Bismarck won a war with France. Surely you're not suggesting THAT as a
    method of bringing about a change in state boundaries?

    Any other potential states? I don't think American Samoa has remotely
    the needed population.

    And I don't the rest of the Union is ready for TWO Californias!
    (That's partly a serious partly a joking comment)

    You mentioned Bismarck - did you know that Kaiser Wilhelm II was the
    arbiter agreed to by both the UK and USA to set the boundary of the
    Alaska Panhandle between the US and Canada? True.

    We still liked Kaiser Bill in 1903 :)

    https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/alaska-boundary-dispute

    The timing is important as Skagway AK was an important supply route
    for prospectors to the Klondike gold fields in the gold rush of
    1897-98. The dispute had smoldered for 20+ years but with the
    discovery of gold it was clear that "SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE" (tm)
    and Britain "persuaded" Canada to get serious about it.

    141W was and still is the boundary north of 60N since forever (Russia
    had declared it to be the boundary from the beginning) but the
    boundary of the panhandle had been a bit iffy mostly due to the
    geography of the area.

    Yes these things are born from settlements after wars, such as the EU realignment after the 30-years war. It might be argued the USA is
    recovering (we hope) from the financial disasters of the past 20
    years. After the trillions spent on wars and economic currency
    watering there must a case for the greater efficiency state
    consolidation would provide.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Fri Oct 22 12:40:40 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 07:26:41 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    The timing is important as Skagway AK was an important supply route
    for prospectors to the Klondike gold fields in the gold rush of
    1897-98. The dispute had smoldered for 20+ years but with the
    discovery of gold it was clear that "SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE" (tm)
    and Britain "persuaded" Canada to get serious about it.

    141W was and still is the boundary north of 60N since forever (Russia
    had declared it to be the boundary from the beginning) but the
    boundary of the panhandle had been a bit iffy mostly due to the
    geography of the area.

    Yes these things are born from settlements after wars, such as the EU >realignment after the 30-years war. It might be argued the USA is
    recovering (we hope) from the financial disasters of the past 20
    years. After the trillions spent on wars and economic currency
    watering there must a case for the greater efficiency state
    consolidation would provide.

    I'm clearly confused - I was talking about various state and
    international boundaries (for instance the AK/YT boundary which is international and CA/OR which was an international boundary and is now
    a state boundary) - neither resulted from a war nor did the 49th
    parallel (the US/CAN boundary west of Ontario) All three of these
    involved the USA - with Britain, Russia and Spain being involved.

    (I'm talking about the southern boundary of the Oregon territory which
    had nothing to do with the Mexican war of 1848 - but essentially it
    came down to the 42nd parallel being the northern limit of the Spanish
    claim for their California territory and the US accepting that)

    The 30 years war was 1618-1648 which of course is long before
    1789-1815 much less 1957 (foundation of the EEC) or 1993 (foundation
    of the EU). I'm not aware there was any threat of war involved in the foundation of either the EEC or EU.

    As for Alaska you probably know Russia never settled very far into the
    Alaskan interior - and at no time were Russians in the majority
    population in Russian Alaska. They certainly never found the Alaskan
    gold rush area and no doubt would have wanted more than $ 7.2 million
    in gold if they had.

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