• The Unvaccinated

    From Tiglath@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 25 15:43:16 2021
    The Revenge of the Unvaccinated.

    Liberals can't vote Covid out of office... on this one even a small majority of walking Covid factories spoils the party for all.
    Unvaccinated had Trump to stick it to the liberals, but he has little power now, after losing the White House, Facebook, Twitter, etc... ,

    Now they have Covid.

    Unvaccinated fight now with their Covid-filled lungs... passing miasma on and see if they can destroy the Biden economy just like Trump destroyed his own.

    They tell themselves they just caught a bad cold.

    If these assholes continue to spread disease and kill people, they'll become like sharks after Jaws. Something to be hunted and killed.

    I'll need a bigger boat.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 26 09:27:56 2021
    On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
    wrote:



    I'll need a bigger boat.
    No, you'll need better laws. This is a perfect time for you USAians
    to reform your constitution.

    Just think how this plague, as a national crisis, gives Sleepy Joe the
    reason to introduce electronic-biometric tracing for all citizens.

    And stuff your outdated constitution.

    Here we have those QR codes plastered on shop windows, and every
    citizen entering is expected to zap it with their mobile iGadgets to
    allow infection tracing and hot-spots. Do you have this simple
    arrangement?

    To paraphrase...

    You can please some of the people all of the time,
    You can please all of the people some of the time.
    But you cannot please all of the people all of the time!

    Hop to it....!

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 26 14:04:58 2021
    te...@tiglath.net

    Unvaccinated had Trump to stick it to the liberals,

    Most of the unvaccinated are Blacks and Hispanics
    but if you got the vaccine, then you’ve nothing to
    worry about, right?

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to edstasiak1067@gmail.com on Tue Jul 27 10:49:25 2021
    On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:04:58 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
    <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

    te...@tiglath.net

    Unvaccinated had Trump to stick it to the liberals,

    Most of the unvaccinated are Blacks and Hispanics
    but if you got the vaccine, then you’ve nothing to
    worry about, right?

    Nothing to worry quite so much about.
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Tiglath@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Mon Jul 26 17:37:05 2021
    On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 5:04:59 PM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    te...@tiglath.net

    Unvaccinated had Trump to stick it to the liberals,
    Most of the unvaccinated are Blacks and Hispanics

    Naturally.. No whites. Whites are to smart for that, right?


    but if you got the vaccine, then you’ve nothing to
    worry about, right?

    Troll.

    Of course not. And why should there be any adversarial attitude on how to beat a plague that affects us all, I don't know.
    Thank Trump for that.

    We are all in this. After all this time it's stupid to have any disagreement. Things should be clear. Vaccines, masks, staying home, work to prevent infection. There is nothing to debate.

    In Russia, my father in law died of Covid this week and he gave it to my wife who is in the hospital.

    American vaccines are not available in Russia. Still, I don't think for a moment than having an American vaccines gives you any guarantees, though the odds are far better than for the Unvaccinated.

    The Deplorables earned their name several times over by following a horrible human being like Trump.

    The Unvaccinated dig themselves even deeper in the race to be the most excrement-like people on Earth, giving disease to others.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to You on Wed Jul 28 13:52:32 2021
    tiglath
    Ed Stasiak

    Most of the unvaccinated are Blacks and Hispanics

    Naturally.. No whites. Whites are to smart for that, right?

    You said it, not me.

    but if you got the vaccine, then you’ve nothing to
    worry about, right?

    Of course not. And why should there be any adversarial attitude
    on how to beat a plague that affects us all, I don't know.
    Thank Trump for that.

    No, thank the Dems for spending all of last year screeching that
    Americans shouldn't trust the "Trump Vaccine" and now Americans
    don't trust ANY vaccine.

    All the more so as the Dems and Big Tech have carried a full-court
    press to censor social media and ban anybody who even hints at
    maybe distrusting Wall Street pharmaceutical corporations (who
    the Dems have legally absolved of any responsibility for possible
    negative future side-effects from the vaccine).

    Hell, I got permabanned off Reddit's NFL board for simply saying
    some people have had bad reactions to the vaccines.

    https://i.postimg.cc/1t6Z37V0/permabanned.gif

    If the vaccine is so great and safe, then why worry about what
    "deplorables" have say about it?

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  • From The Arch-Deplorable@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 29 10:58:47 2021

    The Unvaccinated dig themselves even deeper in the race to be the most excrement-like people on Earth, giving disease to others.

    I'm ignoring your cheap jibes.

    But know this....I was vaccinated last Friday (the second shot) and I
    bore up well to the needle. Thereafter I suffered a sore & aching arm
    for a day, a dizzy spell the next day and random like spells for next
    few days.
    So, like Jesus, I suffered for the good of all.

    Not all "deplorables" are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals: indeed we're
    practical and down to earth.
    So unlike the pension-farming Ivy-League boffin brigade!

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  • From Tiglath@21:1/5 to The Arch-Deplorable on Thu Jul 29 09:06:37 2021
    On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:58:55 PM UTC-4, The Arch-Deplorable wrote:

    The Unvaccinated dig themselves even deeper in the race to be the most excrement-like people on Earth, giving disease to others.
    I'm ignoring your cheap jibes.

    You should ignore more.


    But know this....I was vaccinated last Friday (the second shot) and I
    bore up well to the needle. Thereafter I suffered a sore & aching arm
    for a day, a dizzy spell the next day and random like spells for next
    few days.
    So, like Jesus, I suffered for the good of all.

    Not all "deplorables" are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals: indeed we're practical and down to earth.
    So unlike the pension-farming Ivy-League boffin brigade!

    A few of the Unvaccinated are in fact getting vaccines in secret.

    Don't want to be seen doing the politically incorrect lifesaving thing.

    Are you one of them?

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  • From The Arch-Deplorable@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 30 07:27:44 2021
    On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 09:06:37 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:58:55 PM UTC-4, The Arch-Deplorable wrote:

    The Unvaccinated dig themselves even deeper in the race to be the most excrement-like people on Earth, giving disease to others.
    I'm ignoring your cheap jibes.

    You should ignore more.

    You should stay IN more!


    But know this....I was vaccinated last Friday (the second shot) and I
    bore up well to the needle. Thereafter I suffered a sore & aching arm
    for a day, a dizzy spell the next day and random like spells for next
    few days.
    So, like Jesus, I suffered for the good of all.

    Not all "deplorables" are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals: indeed we're
    practical and down to earth.
    So unlike the pension-farming Ivy-League boffin brigade!

    A few of the Unvaccinated are in fact getting vaccines in secret.

    I'll bet those loony religious wackos are doing the same thing!

    Don't want to be seen doing the politically incorrect lifesaving thing.

    Are you one of them?

    No, I'm not. In this verdant land of Oz the army has been called out
    to police the wearing of masks & distancing.
    I'll bet your outdated constitution would prevent this in the Southern
    USA? https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-sydney-lockdown-compliance-adf-called-in-by-nsw-police/0b415e3a-b450-4a8d-b5fd-6d424f179f6c





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  • From Tiglath@21:1/5 to The Arch-Deplorable on Thu Jul 29 18:53:28 2021
    On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 5:27:51 PM UTC-4, The Arch-Deplorable wrote:


    Are you one of them?
    No, I'm not. In this verdant land of Oz the army has been called out
    to police the wearing of masks & distancing.

    I applaud that. Good country.

    Not The People, here. Fighting the very government that tries to protect them from a clear and present danger, and they resist.

    Don't insult Neanderthals.

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  • From Tiglath@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 30 11:07:47 2021
    What becomes of an Unvaccinated when it gets the vaccine?

    Goes back to Deplorable, and lies to others saying the best vaccine is to turn off CNN and vote Republican.

    Some Unvaccinated who catch Covid ask for the vaccine thinking it's a treatment.... Fools.

    Unlike bacteria, which can be killed by selective toxicity, viruses can't, because what would kill the virus would kill also human cells. The thing is barely alive, the only life function it's capable of is reproduction, but it needs a host.

    Try to explain this to an Unvaccinated and see him or her cross the eyes.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 3 13:58:17 2021
    tiglath

    Try to explain this to an Unvaccinated and see him or her cross the eyes.

    (copied from rec.arts.tv)

    Courtesy of Konstantin Kisin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Kisin

    You're struggling to understand why some people are vaccine hesitant.
    Let me help you.

    Imagine you're a normal middle-of-the-road person. The year is 2016.
    Rightly or wrongly, you believe most of what you see in the media. You
    believe polls are broadly reflective of public opinion. You believe doctors
    and scientists are trustworthy and independent. You're a decent, reasonable person who follows the rules and trusts authority.

    Imagine your shock then, when Brexit-- which you were assured won't happen because it's a fringe movement led by racists for racists-- happens. The
    polls, which widely predicted it wouldn't happen were completely wrong. The experts and media pundits who told you it wouldn't happen day after day are also wrong. "Oh well," you say, "these things happen."

    Imagine that soon after, Donald Trump is running for president. You are
    told by your favourite media publications that he is going to lose. Some experts say his opponent has a 99% chance of winning. Imagine waking up
    on the morning after the election to discover that all the pollsters, media experts, and politicians you still trusted were massively wrong again.

    And now, the racist monster they told you would never get near the White
    House is the leader of the free world. "How did this happen?" you ask
    yourself. "How could all the people in charge of informing me be so wrong?"

    "It was the Russians," they tell you. "The Russians did Brexit and they got Trump elected too."

    Imagine that for the next 3 1/2 years you watch as the media and the
    political class run with the Russia collusion narrative. They tell you the
    how, when, and where. The dossiers, the whistle-blowers, the peeing prostitutes...

    Imagine your desperation for things to make sense again. The Muller Report
    is coming and it will set your world straight. Evidence of foreign meddling
    in the 2016 election and Brexit is coming to save your unsettled mind.

    Imagine your shock then, when you discover that Brexit and Trump had little
    to do with foreign meddling. The screaming about Russians and Brexit dies
    down as well.

    Imagine that bit by bit, you discover that events which the media and
    political class told you would not and could not happen not only happened,
    but happened without some sort of evil interference. Instead, millions of
    your fellow citizens voted for them.

    Again, you ask "How could this happen?" and again the media has the answer: racism. "Your country is racist," they tell you. If you're white, this seems strange
    to you. Other than a handful of idiots, you've never met a racist.

    If you're an ethnic minority immigrant like me, this seems even stranger.
    Why would people in one of the most welcoming, tolerant countries in the
    world want to convince themselves their country is racist when it's so obviously not?

    But the evidence is right there on your TV screen. Imagine your horror as a
    gay black actor is assaulted by MAGA hat-wearing thugs who racially abuse
    him and put a noose around his neck. He even cries while talking about it
    to a media eager to believe his every word.

    Imagine your outrage as you see news reports of a bunch of MAGA hat-wearing kids from a religious school contemptuously confronting a Native America
    elder. Reza Aslan tells you the kid has a "punchable face" and while you abhor violence, it's hard to disagree.

    Imagine that for days you watch coverage of these events, with expert after expert, pundit after pundit, sharing and fuelling your outrage about them.
    With every word, your belief that you are a good person and that your
    country is a good country wavers.

    Imagine that soon after, however, the Jussie Smollett story turns out to
    be an attention-seeking hoax. Imagine that you quickly discover that the
    Native American elder was the one who confronted the kids and not the
    other way around.

    "If this is such a racist country," you ask yourself, "why would they need
    to make up stories of racism?" As you ponder this, you remember that for
    years now, you've been expected to go along with other make-believe.

    You're expected to believe that whether you're male or female is not as
    simple as you once thought. Whatever you learned about biology at school
    is wrong. You no longer know how many genders there are and it seems
    dangerous to try to find out. Imagine reading that the experts at the American Psychological Association say that traditional masculinity is "pathological
    and harmful":

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/01/traditional-masculinity-american-psychological-association/580006/

    Imagine that you still want to believe the media and their experts, but
    doing so now requires you to believe your country is racist, men are bad,
    and gender is a social construct, whatever that means.

    It is at this point that a pandemic emerges on the other side of the world.

    You are initially unconcerned, but as scenes emerge from Italy and other countries, it is clear that something big is happening. You watch nervously
    as politicians give press conference after press conference, flanked by experts, to explain the situation.

    The racist Donald Trump shuts down travel from China. In response, the
    mayor of Florence advises citizens to fight racism by "hugging a Chinese person". Shortly thereafter, Nancy Pelosi, a respected Democrat visits Chinatown in San Francisco to explain "there's no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns."

    "Thank god there are some sensible non-racist people who aren't
    overreacting," you say to yourself.

    Then imagine watching as Trump doubles down on his racism by claiming
    the virus may have come from a lab in Wuhan.

    "Nonsense," you think to yourself as you wonder how best to protect
    yourself and your family from this deadly disease. You consider getting
    masks-- you've seen visitors from Asian countries wear them. But the UK's
    Chief Medical Officer tells you not to wear a mask and wash your hands
    instead.

    As lockdowns are introduced around the world, you diligently follow all the rules. You stay at home, only go out once and live off savings or government grants. You are proud to be doing your part. Thanks to you and millions of
    your fellow citizens the first wave of the pandemic does not overwhelm the healthcare system. While thousands sadly die, you've helped to protect
    the NHS.

    Imagine your confusion as the same people who have spent three months
    telling you masks don't work and you shouldn't wear them introduce mask mandates. We're "following the science" they tell you. This makes little
    sense but a pandemic is no time for questions.

    As you cautiously go to the supermarket, you notice that masks have made
    people far less likely to socially distance. You remember reading somewhere that bicycle helmets work similarly: they give the wearer more confidence
    and the result is more accidents and injuries, not fewer. "Silly people,"
    you say to yourself. "If only they would follow government advice."

    You turn on your TV to learn that shoppers at your local supermarket aren't
    the only ones who have been ignoring the rules.

    Neil Ferguson, the man whose projections were used as the basis for the lockdowns, appears to have broken his own rules to get some action with
    his married lover.

    Boris Johnson's chief advisor, Dominic Cummings, drove halfway across
    the country to ensure he had a better place to isolate. The journalists who berate him for this are later found to have attended a birthday party in
    breach of the rules.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9033859/Kay-Burley-Beth-Rigby-four-Sky-News-stars-taken-air-60th-birthday-bash.html

    The lockdown continues. However, a man is killed in Minneapolis while being arrested for a petty crime. The man is black. The officer is white. The arrest is captured on video and quickly goes viral around the world. Imagine your horror as you watch an officer of the law kneel on another man's neck until
    he passes out and later dies. "This is disgusting," you say to yourself. "I hope
    they throw the book at him." Overnight, a huge campaign for racial justice springs up around the world.

    No one explains what racism had to do with the incident but they don't need
    to. As you know by now, the West is racist and therefore any time a white person does anything bad to a black person, there can only be one
    explanation. The fact that an identical incident happened to a white man
    named Tony Timpa is never mentioned for context.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tony_Timpa?wprov=sfti1

    While the lockdown rules remain in place, the protests against injustice
    spill out onto the streets. Tens of thousands of people crowd into major cities. Few wear masks and social distancing is non-existent. Clashes with police ensue and protestors loot stores, attack residents, and start fires.
    A retired black police officer named David Dorn is among dozens of people
    who are murdered in the chaos.

    The media describe these events as "mostly peaceful protests" as their reporters stand in front of burning buildings and smashed and looted
    stores, many of them black-owned businesses . After months of harsh restrictions, the media and political class offer no criticism of protests which violate every element of lockdown. After months of telling you to
    stay at home to avoid spreading COVID, doctors explain that rather than
    being a mass COVID spreading event, "protest is a profound public health intervention".

    Big Tech companies go into overdrive to stop the spread of disinformation.
    All discussions of alternative points of view regarding the efficacy of masks and lockdowns, as well as the origins of the virus are censored. Attempts
    to discuss the negative impact of lockdown on health and mental well-being
    are suppressed.

    As the year runs on, with a pivotal American election looming, President
    Trump promises a huge push to develop a vaccine. Kamala Harris, who is
    later elected vice president, says that she would not take the vaccine if
    Trump told her to.

    On the eve of the election, a publication in America releases a damaging
    report about Hunter Biden, son of presidential candidate Joe Biden. The
    story alleges corruption which may involve his father, as well as drug
    taking, use of prostitutes, and more. Twitter and other social media
    companies prevent the story from being shared. The media lines up
    commentators to claim the story was "Russian disinformation".

    Once his father wins the election, it becomes clear that several key
    elements of the story are likely accurate and the laptop from which
    the information was recovered is in fact Hunter Biden's laptop.

    Meanwhile, the numbers of COVID patients and deaths turn out to have been wrong. For some time, anyone who died at any point after a positive COVID
    test was counted as dying of COVID, even if they were killed by a drunk
    driver. This figure is later revised again. The number of people who are in hospital because of COVID also turns out to be incorrect.

    Now that racist Donald Trump is no longer president, closing borders is no longer considered xenophobic or racist and is widely advocated for in the media. The racist conspiracy theory that the virus came from a lab is now
    also allowed to be discussed and appears likely to be the most credible explanation of the origins of the virus.

    Imagine your horror as you learn that the reason thousands of people died
    in the first wave of the pandemic was that elderly patients with COVID were allowed to be released back into care homes. This is especially true in the
    UK, California, and in New York, run by Governor Andrew Cuomo, brother of
    CNN anchor Chris Cuomo. Governor Cuomo's publisher suspends promotion
    of his book about leadership during the pandemic amid the enquiry into nursing home deaths.

    Meanwhile, Texas and Florida which remained open much longer and re-opened
    much sooner continue to thrive.

    In the UK, the Health Secretary, the person responsible for saving lives,
    is found to be cheating on his wife with a married aide in breach of social distancing rules. The man making the rules for you does not follow them
    himself

    It is at this point that the vaccine, which you were initially told would
    need to be given to the vulnerable before restrictions are lifted, becomes
    the main drive of government policy and media commentary.

    The same people who told you Brexit would never happen, Trump would never
    win, that when he did win it was because of Russian collusion, then because
    of racism, that you must follow lockdowns while they don't, that masks don't work and then that they do work, that protests during lockdowns are a
    "health intervention", that ransacking black communities in the name of fighting racism is a "mostly peaceful" activity, that Jussie Smollett was a victim of a hate crime, that men are toxic, that there is an infinite number
    of genders, that COVID didn't come from a lab and then that it probably did, that closing borders is racist and then that it's the most important thing to do, that the Hunter Biden story is Russian disinformation and then that it's not, that they would not take Trump's vaccine and then that you must take
    the vaccine, that Governor Cuomo is a great COVID leader and then that he
    is a granny killer, that the number of COVID deaths is one thing and then another, that hospitals are filled with COVID patients and then that many
    of them caught COVID in hospital...

    These same people are now telling you the vaccine is safe, you must take
    it, and if you don't you will be treated like a second class citizen.

    Understand vaccine hesitancy now?

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  • From Tiglath@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Thu Aug 5 08:52:35 2021
    On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 4:58:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    tiglath

    Try to explain this to an Unvaccinated and see him or her cross the eyes.
    (copied from rec.arts.tv)

    Courtesy of Konstantin Kisin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Kisin

    You're struggling to understand why some people are vaccine hesitant.

    That is a false statement, based on your imagination and nothing I said.

    I am not struggling at all. I am perfectly aware there are lots of people who don't know how to think properly.

    This matter doesn't need any verbiage in such amount as you have pasted.

    This is a bout cost/benefit analysis, just like a million other things in life.

    I understand hesitancy about something new. But when hundreds of millions of people have taken a vaccine, and only a few thousand have gotten a bad reaction from - and not in every case the death is traceable directly to the vaccine - one should let in
    what it means.... It's SAFE!

    The risk is statistically very low. And rejoice because that is more than you get in most risky situations as you guide to action.

    For the benefits, asks someone who has had Covid, if still living.

    The astounding thing is that in a nation were education is FREE, people remain uneducated to the point of rejecting cures for fatal diseases, squandering good luck they don't deserve.... the luck to have preventives those who came before us would have
    killed for.

    Ed's idea of a vaccine is to turn off CNN and vote Republican.

    Who advised you to mix your politics with medicine?

    I guess antivaxxers like to be thought of as a rebels. If the government wants you to do something, that's enough for you not to do it.

    I say Splendid. Let Covid weed this Earth of idiots.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Fri Aug 6 07:27:43 2021
    On 8/3/2021 1:58 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    tiglath

    Try to explain this to an Unvaccinated and see him or her cross the eyes.

    (copied from rec.arts.tv)

    Courtesy of Konstantin Kisin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Kisin

    You're struggling to understand why some people are vaccine hesitant.
    Let me help you

    Quite well stated.
    Thank you Ed & Konstantin.
    The ignorant and blind person who didn't bother
    to vote in 2016 refuses to understand.
    His poisons control his brain.


    Imagine you're a normal middle-of-the-road person. The year is 2016.
    Rightly or wrongly, you believe most of what you see in the media. You believe polls are broadly reflective of public opinion. You believe doctors and scientists are trustworthy and independent. You're a decent, reasonable person who follows the rules and trusts authority.

    Imagine your shock then, when Brexit-- which you were assured won't happen because it's a fringe movement led by racists for racists-- happens. The polls, which widely predicted it wouldn't happen were completely wrong. The experts and media pundits who told you it wouldn't happen day after day are also wrong. "Oh well," you say, "these things happen."

    Imagine that soon after, Donald Trump is running for president. You are
    told by your favourite media publications that he is going to lose. Some experts say his opponent has a 99% chance of winning. Imagine waking up
    on the morning after the election to discover that all the pollsters, media experts, and politicians you still trusted were massively wrong again.

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