• "Despite its infamy, The Spanish Inquisition actually killed remarkably

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 7 01:45:17 2021
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/HistoricalVillainUpgradeAnalysis

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  • From SolomonW@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 7 21:52:17 2021
    On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 01:45:17 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/HistoricalVillainUpgradeAnalysis

    interesting

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Aug 9 10:54:08 2021
    On 8/7/2021 1:45 AM, gggg gggg wrote:
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/HistoricalVillainUpgradeAnalysis

    the source claims:

    Despite its infamy, The Spanish Inquisition actually killed
    remarkably few people. The latest archival research suggests
    about 3,000 executions over the course of over 300 years. This
    was partly because the standard of proof required to convict
    someone was actually very high, and innocence was usually presumed.
    While killing people because of their religious beliefs is
    undoubtedly bad, Spain had among the lowest amounts of religious
    violence; witchcraft executions in the rest of Europe alone
    utterly dwarfed the Inquisition's death toll by orders of magnitude,
    note much less the big meaty events like the French Wars of Religion.
    Other "Common Knowledge" about the Inquisition (that they burned
    books, that the auto de fe involved torture rather than simply being
    a public penance, that people were burned for being witches, that
    final authority rested with inquisitors rather than the secular
    government) is simply from the realm of pure fantasy. Again, its
    reputation is more the result of English and Dutch media dominance
    (the two countries were bitter rivals of Spain in the early modern
    period) than anything real.

    I'd guess the moral of their argument is,
    when you take about 10 people a year out
    to the town square, tie them to a stake,
    and burn them horribly alive (to death),
    and continue this for around 300 years,
    ,,,,
    it leaves an 'infamous' or lasting imprint on people's memories!

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    from
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition

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    Historians now estimate that of all trials only two percent may have
    actually ended with execution. A study of the timeframe 1540 to 1700
    found documents for 44,674 cases with roughly 1500 death sentences.
    Furthermore as trials tended to be lengthy and wardens poor a surprising
    number of the sentenced managed to flee the country and so the sentences resulted in 826 executions in persona, i.e. burning the heretic, and 778
    in effigie, i.e. burning a strawman because the convict was unavailable. Estimates for the total number of executions in persona range between
    1000 and 1500.
    ----
    One of the main reasons for the villain status of the Inquisition: Their
    host country was nearly continually at war with primarily Protestant
    nations such as England and the Netherlands, where there was more
    freedom of speech (for its time) while printing presses and popular
    literature were much more common. This meant that at the beginning they criticized the Spanish Inquisition's poor job on executions and
    conversions. When the Inquisition became a bit harsher, they went
    apeshit and exaggerated its reputation of being a blood-thirsty
    totalitarian organization. Then the Spanish Empire lost ground to the
    British Empire, France, its former South American colonies and the USA -
    the result of this meant that this demonization was immortalized as the
    "Black Legend."
    Protestant Nations themselves executed witches and dissidents en masse,
    so their criticism was mostly just propaganda against their religious opponents, with each side considering the other heretics. And then
    atheist writers started to put pens to paper and, well...

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 9 13:52:18 2021
    a425couple
    gggg gggg

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/HistoricalVillainUpgradeAnalysis

    While killing people because of their religious beliefs is undoubtedly
    bad, Spain had among the lowest amounts of religious violence;
    witchcraft executions in the rest of Europe alone utterly dwarfed
    the Inquisition's death toll by orders of magnitude,

    That ought to say "in the rest of WESTERN Europe", as this wasn't
    a thing in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Russia.

    Again, its reputation is more the result of English and Dutch media
    dominance (the two countries were bitter rivals of Spain in the early
    modern period) than anything real.

    Perfidious Albion strikes again!

    https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/nobody-expects-the-spanish-inquisition-gif-14-1.gif

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  • From SolomonW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 10 15:32:25 2021
    On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 10:54:08 -0700, a425couple wrote:

    I'd guess the moral of their argument is,
    when you take about 10 people a year out
    to the town square, tie them to a stake,
    and burn them horribly alive (to death),
    and continue this for around 300 years,
    ,,,,
    it leaves an 'infamous' or lasting imprint on people's memories!

    Good point. You can add too many more were arrested and imprisoned. These
    faced a real threat of torture, often while being shown the instrument of torture. Many of these were tortured.

    Even if not convicted, this could drag on for years. Galileo's case started
    in early 1615 and continued till 1633 when he got a sentence "of formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition." the very next day, he was lucky as it was commuted to house arrest, which he remained for the rest of
    his life.

    Many were not so lucky and were formally imprisoned for long periods.

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