• Re: Projector = entrepreneur

    From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to occam on Sun Dec 12 09:53:34 2021
    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:08:18 +0100, occam <nobody@nowhere.nix> wrote:

    On 02/12/2021 10:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
    An etymology and translation question.

    Would someone with access to the OED (Jerry Friedman?) or similar
    etymological dictionary let me know when "projector" first was used
    for a person who initiated business projects and ventures?

    I think it has now been superseded by words like "entrepreneur", but
    it was in use like that in the 18th century -- I just want to know
    when it began, and if it was in use in that sense in the second half
    of the 17th cenury.


    Yes, projector was the word used by the French before they stumbled
    across 'entrepreneur', following the remark made by George W.

    Since the 18th century has been mentioned can we assume by George W.
    you mean Washington not Bush?

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Mon Dec 13 01:10:24 2021
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 06:30:09 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    Did snopes.com say that George W. lived in the 17th century?

    Hardly but the 18th not the 17th was what was mentioned

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Mon Dec 13 17:08:39 2021
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 20:51:20 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    Yes, projector was the word used by the French before they stumbled
    across 'entrepreneur', following the remark made by George W.

    (Don't believe everything Snopes.com tells you. It cites the
    pathological liar Alastair Campbell, who would deny his own grandmother
    if it served his political purposes.)

    Did snopes.com say that George W. lived in the 17th century?

    No, but here Jacob Rees Mogg is known as the "Honourable Member for the
    18th century".

    I'm pretty sure I heard that used of him when I was in the UK in 2016
    (long before that nasty C word entered our lives)

    He's the sort of politician my daughter (who lives in Southwark) would
    have less than zero use for. Her MP used to be Mr Khan before he
    decided he'd rather be mayor of London.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Wed Dec 15 14:42:41 2021
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:30:08 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    Aye, and in the 17th century the English word "factory" was not
    primarily a manufactory, but more like a warehouse.

    Yet nowadays Factory" usually means the premises on which something is >manufactured, and "industrialist" means tomeone who develops or owns
    or manages such premises and the activities that go on within.

    Agreed. The Canadian town of Moose Factory was originally a Hudson's
    Bay Company trading post - they were certainly not manufacturing
    moose!

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to anton.txt@gmail.com on Tue Jan 4 20:54:30 2022
    On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 22:46:36 +0300, Anton Shepelev
    <anton.txt@gmail.com> wrote:

    I still remember the origin of Baba Yaga that I read as a
    child in an antology of Russian 18-th Russian fantasy (for
    those who think Karamzin and Pushkin the fathers of our lit-
    erary language!). The Devil was boiling twelve evil wives
    in a huge cauldron. He was so shocked at what he saw inside
    that he took the cauldron and crashed it forcefully onto the
    floor, breaking the creature's leg. He then reconsidered and
    made her a leg of bone by way of a protesis.

    In retrospect I was amazed that my parents allowed me to read the tale
    of Baba Yaga as it's considerably more violent and generally appalling
    than what most North American kids are exposed to.

    It's not as if there are any Russians in our particular family tree -
    but while my parents were very strict in some ways they were extremely
    laissez faire in others. Other than a couple of grievous sins (like
    playing favorites among their children) they did pretty well and I was
    exposed to a lot of things I might not of - but then on the good side
    I was one of the few 10 year olds who had to have his library card
    replaced as I'd worn out the old one...

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