• The keep finding the lost land of Punt

    From Oh so rich & successful JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 19 22:30:55 2021
    Was just watching a documentary, streaming, and
    they pretty much implied that Punt was in Yemen.

    And it makes sense.

    These people were basing most everything on
    Hatshepsut, who not only describes things known
    to come from the Arabian peninsular but state it
    is to the east!

    More than likely "Punt" was never a single place
    but more of an idea or ideal. They likely did travel
    east for trade, and south, though I favor east as
    Arab traders were legendary even in ancient times.

    I'm thinking more like "One Stop Shopping," where
    trade goods/materials from a wide area a brought
    together... a market, so to speak.

    It probably didn't start that way but very quickly
    grew into it.

    Recently, so called "Science" aka the media has
    reported that the location of ancient Punt has been
    fixed through the DNA testing of Baboons. This is
    dumb.

    No, wait. I mean... yeah, it's dumb.

    LOTS of accounts never mention baboons at all,
    DNA simply doesn't work the way the media oops
    I meant "Science" claims and if we were going to
    use DNA then why not do it right?

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/hatshepsuts-myrrh-tree

    EVERYONE agrees that Hatshepsut and probably
    earlier rulers traded with some "Punt" for incense,
    and the story goes that Hatshepsut imported some
    trees. So why not start with that tree, DNA test THAT?

    NOTE: There's more than one specific tree to get
    this incense from, more than one potential location,
    so pull out some DNA and see if it's a closer match
    to Arabia or the horn of Africa.

    ALSO: Not all frankincense and myrrh are equal!
    Chemical analysis of these resins as left on mummies,
    for example, should be able to distinguish between
    types and perhaps even sources.

    Personally I think the most likely model is that "Punt"
    was many places, or at least changed in location over
    time. It probably began as an attempt to eliminate the
    Arab middle men.

    Think about it.

    And what about the Electrum everyone says the
    Egyptians were getting?

    Archaeology routinely performs simple & unobtrusive
    testing on metals to determine their composition, then
    match them to a specific geographical source.

    Happens all the time.

    So if the Egyptians were trading for Electrum then test
    some of this electrum!

    REMEMBER: No sources claim that the Egyptians went
    on fishing expeditions! They went looking for what they
    wanted, knowing it was there. This suggests that they
    were obtaining it already, and sought out it's source in
    order to secure a larger supply, eliminate a middle man
    or maybe force and end to an embargo.

    Okay? It was never a case where they said, "Let's build
    some boats, float around and see what we can see."

    Hatshepsut built ships and sent them out TO GO TO
    PUNT, whether it was a physical place or a concept.

    One theory I find quite intriguing is that Punt wasn't any
    one place but a region. That, they said "Punt" the same
    way we might use "Mediterranean" or even "Persian
    Gulf." And this makes sense.

    Seas like the Red Sea or Mediterranean do not separate
    people, the bind them. The same is true for rivers and
    lakes. Bodies of water that modern western cultures
    like to think of as dividers are actually unifiers.

    THINK: People on one side of a river/lake usually have
    very similar lives to the people on the other. They're
    both living under the same conditions, exploiting the
    same resources, and the water physically ties them
    to each other closer than any overland neighbors.

    All across the Mediterranean we see similar cultures,
    similar foods. Why shouldn't it be this way for the Red
    Sea?



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  • From SolomonW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 20 19:16:37 2021
    On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 22:30:55 -0800 (PST), Oh so rich & successful JTEM
    wrote:

    More than likely "Punt" was never a single place
    but more of an idea or ideal. They likely did travel
    east for trade, and south, though I favor east as
    Arab traders were legendary even in ancient times.

    It could have been a region.

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