https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/world/vikings-arrival-americas-scn/index.html

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On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:33:35 AM UTC-5, reader wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/world/vikings-arrival-americas-scn/index.html

American Indians were in the Americas exactly 52,000 years ago.
We are still here, Vikings are not. We caught them trespassing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/world/vikings-arrival-americas-scn/index.html

American Indians were in the Americas exactly 52,000 years ago.
We are still here, Vikings are not. We caught them trespassing.

There were no humans in the americas 52k years ago. A case can be made for maybe 20k. Humans were clealy in the americas some 16k years ago by the
strong evidence from archaeology.

The population/language of iceland is directly viking in origin, they are
still here but by another cultural name. The geographical source of the vikings,ie. Scandinavia can be said to be viking in many ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

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On 26 Oct 2021 23:53:11 GMT, reader wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/world/vikings-arrival-americas-scn/index.html

American Indians were in the Americas exactly 52,000 years ago.
We are still here, Vikings are not. We caught them trespassing.

There were no humans in the americas 52k years ago. A case can be made for maybe 20k. Humans were clealy in the americas some 16k years ago by the strong evidence from archaeology.

The earliest possible dating is about 23,000 to 21,000 years ago, but it's
an outlier. Even the discoverers have stated that although they cannot find
an error, this dating looks to old.


https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abg7586

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Geologists and Geophysicists drilling for petroleum in Nacogdoches, Texas spudded into a 50,000 B.C. skeleton dubbed 'Chief Wahoo of the Caddo Nation' embedded in the Queen City Sand (Eocene) Formation outcrop, and forged iron and bronze tools (
agricultural and foraging instruments), being over 50,000 years old. Humans were in the Americas roughly 52,000 years ago, the researchers, company man, rig tool-pusher and three tour drillers, roughnecks and derrick men said.

In other studies, Spelunkers and Archaeologists analyzed a remote cave in northwestern Mexico containing human-made stone tools that are up to 31,500 years old, according to dating models. This pushed back dates for human dispersal into North America to
as early as 33,000 years ago, the researchers said. Archaeologists took already-published dates from 42 archaeological sites in North America and Beringia and plugged them into their model that analyzed human dispersal.

This model found an human presence in the Americas dating to at least 26,000 years ago.

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Geologists and Geophysicists drilling for petroleum in Nacogdoches, Texas spudded into a 50,000 B.C. skeleton dubbed 'Chief Wahoo of the Caddo Nation' embedded in the Queen City Sand (Eocene) Formation outcrop, and forged iron and bronze tools (
agricultural and foraging instruments), being over 50,000 years old. Humans were in the Americas roughly 52,000 years ago, the researchers, company man, rig tool-pusher and three tour drillers, roughnecks and derrick men said.

In other studies, Spelunkers and Archaeologists analyzed a remote cave in northwestern Mexico containing human-made stone tools that are up to 31,500 years old, according to dating models. This pushed back dates for human dispersal into North America to
as early as 33,000 years ago, the researchers said. Archaeologists took already-published dates from 42 archaeological sites in North America and Beringia and plugged them into their model that analyzed human dispersal.

This model found an human presence in the Americas dating to at least 26,000 years ago.

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SolomonW wrote:

reader wrote:

There were no humans in the americas 52k years ago. A case can be made for maybe 20k. Humans were clealy in the americas some 16k years ago by the strong evidence from archaeology.

The earliest possible dating is about 23,000 to 21,000 years ago, but it's
an outlier. Even the discoverers have stated that although they cannot find an error, this dating looks to old.

There's been numerous claims of older finds but they're all problematic. Take this
one for example:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/stone-tools-chiquihuite-cave-mexico-humans-north-america

"bayesian age model"

I'll translate that one for you: "Make make shit up."

Don't believe me? They used ""bayesian modeling" to date Naledi, the so called Homo Naledi human ancestor, and came up with an age of 900,000 years... only off by 300% compared to later dating.

"Only 300% you say? WOW, that's accurate!"

For another thing there's precious little context. I mean, human tools -- stone tools --
fall into specific types or "Technologies." Where do these fall? And even the 30,000+ year old dates they name are well after so called "Modern" humans were around. So when they say "Humans" do they mean "Modern humans" or do they
mean some flavor of erector and/or Denisovan? And whatever the case, are these "Humans" ancestral to anyone alive in the Americas today?

So we don't really know. We have to wait & see. I personally believe that humans
starting arriving here just as soon as nothing was stopping them, and that may have been 100,000 years ago for all I know, but I am not swayed by any of the evidence so far. Most just seems like bullshit piled atop more bullshit.

...you don't get grant money "Studying" things they already know.

That is one powerful incentive for publishing hyperbole.





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