• The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction - NYT

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    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction
    By Post Editorial BoardMay 4, 2020 | 7:22pm

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction

    Pulitzer malpractice: Apparently, willful error can now win you the most elite prize in journalism.

    and


    A history fight. Bob Woodson is spearheading the 1776 project. Black
    historians are arguing the "true" history of blacks in America. It is a response to the 1619 Project.



    "1776" is an assembly of independent voices who uphold our country’s authentic founding virtues and values and challenge those who assert
    America is forever defined by its past failures, such as slavery.

    To counter the debilitating and dangerous message of the 1619 Project,
    we are launching “1776,” honoring the vision of our nation’s Founders
    who saw beyond their years. Though slavery and discrimination are
    undeniably a tragic part of our nation’s history, we have made great
    strides along its long and tortuous journey to realize its promise and
    abide by its founding principles. People are motivated to achieve and to overcome the challenges that confront them when they learn about
    inspiring victories that are possible, rather than being barraged by
    constant reminders of injuries they have suffered.

    In truth, even during the times of the worst oppression, there were
    blacks who were in slavery but not of slavery, who maintained a strong
    moral code and a belief in self-determination and mutual support that
    allowed them to rise. A surprising number of black men and women who
    were born slaves died as millionaires. Even in the era of legislated segregation and discrimination, blacks tapped an entrepreneurial legacy
    to launch thriving enterprises, including hotels, banks, hospitals,
    dental schools, insurance companies, and a railroad. In fact, the black business district of Durham, North Carolina, was widely known as “Black
    Wall Street.”

    Another famous black entrepreneurial enclave was the Greenwood section
    of Tulsa, Oklahoma. When oil was discovered in Tulsa in the early 1900s,
    the city underwent an enormous growth spurt. Though African Americans
    were not allowed to create business ventures in the major district and
    were not even welcomed as customers in the white business district,
    rather than taking service jobs and doing domestic service labor for
    others, many adventurous blacks chose to develop their own business
    district. By 1921, the business enclave had developed into an impressive
    array of enterprises.

    Tragically, in that year, a young black delivery man was falsely accused
    of attacking a white woman. Tensions rose and erupted into chaos as a
    mob of angry whites looted stores, shot at blacks in the streets, and
    torched businesses, homes, and churches. In this violence, 860 African
    American businesses and homes were destroyed, and, afterward, the
    Greenwood business section lay in ruins. Undaunted and displaying the
    same entrepreneurial spirit that initially built the Greenwood section,
    blacks joined together in a massive effort of rebuilding. By 1938,
    business enterprises and community organizations, once again, anchored
    the community.


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/the-crucial-voice-of-1776

    The surprising number of black millionaires was six.

    People know of Tulsa's Black Wall Street and its destruction

    Video of an hour presentation of the 1776 Project is available on C-SPAN

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?469366-1/discussion-african-american-history

    Ida Bae Wells obviously does not hold the 1776 Project in high regard

    There was a Congressional hearing on reparations . Ta-Nehisi Coates and
    Coleman Hughes argued the pro and con of reparations. Wells did not find Hughes' argument compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/19/reparations-slavery-ta-nehisi-coates-v-coleman-hughes#comment-130325794

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    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction
    By Post Editorial BoardMay 4, 2020 | 7:22pm

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction

    Pulitzer malpractice: Apparently, willful error can now win you the most
    elite prize in journalism.
    Mike Vitelli/BFA.com for The New York Times

    As it was designed to do, The New York Times’ woefully mistaken 1619
    Project just won a Pulitzer Prize. Worse, the award for commentary
    actually went to Nikole Hannah-Jones for her essay introducing the
    series — that is, to the article that brought the most sustained
    criticism from historians across the spectrum for its naked errors of fact.

    The project’s central conceit is that “out of slavery grew nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional: its economic might,
    its industrial power, its electoral system.” Hannah-Jones even argued
    that the main reason American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery
    — a claim so contrary to the truth that the Times eventually corrected
    that part of her essay, though only to add two words: Now it says “some
    of” the founders fought chiefly for that reason.

    It’s still not true — and the experts she consulted told her so. Leslie
    M. Harris, a black history prof at Northwestern, says she warned
    Hannah-Jones: “Far from being fought to preserve slavery, the
    Revolutionary War became a primary disrupter of slavery in the North
    American Colonies.”

    Apparently, willful error can now win you the most elite prize in
    journalism.

    Nor was that her only distortion. Hannah-Jones also claims that
    President Abraham Lincoln “opposed black equality.” As part of The
    Post’s weeklong Twisted History series on the 1619 Project, historian
    Allen Guelzo pointed out that that Lincoln called for black voting
    rights and was hailed by Frederick Douglass as “emphatically the colored man’s president.”

    But Hannah-Jones’ project barely mentions Douglass — a giant of 19th century America — or other great black freedom fighters. Even the Rev.
    Martin Luther King Jr. and the entire civil-rights movement get short
    shrift because they contradict her thesis.

    Slavery and Jim Crow are tremendous stains on America’s history. But Hannah-Jones took it far beyond that, insisting that they are the
    nation’s essence. That’s why the country’s top US history scholars — Princeton’s Sean Wilentz and James McPherson, Brown’s Gordon Wood,
    CUNY’s James Oakes — united to denounce Hannah-Jones’ core claims.

    Too bad the Pulitzer committee now thinks that facts are irrelevant to journalism.

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    On 5/5/2020 9:39 AM, a425couple wrote:
    from https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/the-only-pulitzer-the-1619-project-deserved-was-for-fiction/

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction
    By Post Editorial BoardMay 4, 2020 | 7:22pm

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction

    Pulitzer malpractice: Apparently, willful error can now win you the most elite prize in journalism.
    Mike Vitelli/BFA.com for The New York Times

    As it was designed to do, The New York Times’ woefully mistaken 1619 Project just won a Pulitzer Prize. Worse, the award for commentary
    actually went to Nikole Hannah-Jones for her essay introducing the
    series — that is, to the article that brought the most sustained
    criticism from historians across the spectrum for its naked errors of fact.

    The project’s central conceit is that “out of slavery grew nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional: its economic might,
    its industrial power, its electoral system.” Hannah-Jones even argued
    that the main reason American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery
    — a claim so contrary to the truth that the Times eventually corrected
    that part of her essay, though only to add two words: Now it says “some of” the founders fought chiefly for that reason.

    I see even over at the liberal Washington Post they headline
    "The '1619 Project' is filled with slovenliness and
    ideological ax-grinding"

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    On 5/6/2020 6:34 AM, a425couple wrote:
    On 5/5/2020 9:39 AM, a425couple wrote:
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    https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/the-only-pulitzer-the-1619-project-deserved-was-for-fiction/

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction
    By Post Editorial BoardMay 4, 2020 | 7:22pm

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction

    Pulitzer malpractice: Apparently, willful error can now win you the
    most elite prize in journalism.
    Mike Vitelli/BFA.com for The New York Times

    As it was designed to do, The New York Times’ woefully mistaken 1619
    Project just won a Pulitzer Prize. Worse, the award for commentary
    actually went to Nikole Hannah-Jones for her essay introducing the
    series — that is, to the article that brought the most sustained
    criticism from historians across the spectrum for its naked errors of
    fact.

    The project’s central conceit is that “out of slavery grew nearly
    everything that has truly made America exceptional: its economic
    might, its industrial power, its electoral system.” Hannah-Jones even
    argued that the main reason American Revolution was fought to preserve
    slavery — a claim so contrary to the truth that the Times eventually
    corrected that part of her essay, though only to add two words: Now it
    says “some of” the founders fought chiefly for that reason.

    I see even over at the liberal Washington Post they headline
    "The '1619 Project' is filled with slovenliness and
    ideological ax-grinding"

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 6 07:52:00 2020
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    On 5/6/2020 6:34 AM, a425couple wrote:
    On 5/5/2020 9:39 AM, a425couple wrote:
    from
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/the-only-pulitzer-the-1619-project-deserved-was-for-fiction/

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction
    By Post Editorial BoardMay 4, 2020 | 7:22pm

    The only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction

    Pulitzer malpractice: Apparently, willful error can now win you the
    most elite prize in journalism.
    Mike Vitelli/BFA.com for The New York Times

    As it was designed to do, The New York Times’ woefully mistaken 1619
    Project just won a Pulitzer Prize. Worse, the award for commentary
    actually went to Nikole Hannah-Jones for her essay introducing the
    series — that is, to the article that brought the most sustained
    criticism from historians across the spectrum for its naked errors of
    fact.

    The project’s central conceit is that “out of slavery grew nearly
    everything that has truly made America exceptional: its economic
    might, its industrial power, its electoral system.” Hannah-Jones even
    argued that the main reason American Revolution was fought to preserve
    slavery — a claim so contrary to the truth that the Times eventually
    corrected that part of her essay, though only to add two words: Now it
    says “some of” the founders fought chiefly for that reason.

    I see even over at the liberal Washington Post they headline
    "The '1619 Project' is filled with slovenliness and
    ideological ax-grinding"

    from https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/5/dana-canedy-pulitzer-prizes-chief-defends-new-york/

    (Probably worthwhile to look at the picture.)

    Pulitzer chief defends '1619 Project' award despite outcry over
    accuracy, bias
    Essay by New York Times writer Nikole Hannah-Jones wins commentary prize

    Dana Canedy, the new administrator of The Pulitzer Prizes, make
    announcement of winners Monday April 15, 2019, in New York. A team of Associated Press journalists has won a Pulitzer Prize in international reporting for their work documenting torture, graft and starvation in Yemen's brutal civil war.

    By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Tuesday, May 5, 2020

    Pulitzer Prizes Administrator Dana Canedy defended Tuesday the decision
    to honor the widely disputed 1619 Project, which reframes the American Revolution as a battle to protect slavery, even as she acknowledged that “perhaps most historians” would disagree with its premise.

    Nikole Hannah-Jones was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for commentary for
    her Aug. 14 essay introducing the 1619 Project, an ambitious New York
    Times series that has made its way into classrooms in all 50 states
    despite being criticized by leading scholars as historically inaccurate
    and ideologically driven.

    In a statement, Ms. Canedy said the board was “very proud of this selection,” saying that its “fresh political perspective,
    provocativeness of the argument, and engaging writing is what we are awarded,” even though the essay’s thesis was an academic outlier.

    “The piece provoked useful public debate and conversation about an
    important matter — the very identity of our nation. This is what we want commentary to do,” Ms. Canedy said in an email.

    The 1619 Project held that the nation’s true founding was not 1776 but
    1619, the year the first slaves were brought by ship from Africa to
    Colonial America, landing in Virginia.

    “Although many historians, perhaps most historians, believe that the preservation of slavery was not among the primary causes of the
    Revolutionary War, we do not regard this as a matter of settled ‘fact,’
    but something still subject to scholarly debate and contestation,” Ms.
    Canedy wrote. “This piece is also about so much more than the
    revolutionary war. [It’s] about slavery and its consequences for the
    very character of the nation.”

    The award announced Monday drew immediate outcry on the right.
    Conservative pundit Ben Shapiro called the 1619 Project “divisive,
    erroneous and terrible for the country. Naturally, it was just rewarded
    with a Pulitzer.”

    Robert Woodson, a longtime civil rights activist who founded the 1776
    Project to counter The New York Times series, said the Pulitzer
    conferred prestige on a politically slanted screed.

    “I really think it’s an outrage that they’ve taken a political document that masquerades as history and give it that kind of acknowledgement,”
    Mr. Woodson said.

    In a Monday staff editorial, the New York Post, which has run multiple
    articles challenging the 1619 Project’s facts and arguments, said that
    the “only Pulitzer the 1619 Project deserved was for fiction.”

    “Slavery and Jim Crow are tremendous stains on America’s history,” the editorial said. “But Hannah-Jones took it far beyond that, insisting
    that they are the nation’s essence. That’s why the country’s top US history scholars — Princeton’s Sean Wilentz and James McPherson, Brown’s Gordon Wood, CUNY’s James Oakes — united to denounce Hannah-Jones’ core claims.”

    The editorial concluded: “Too bad the Pulitzer committee now thinks that facts are irrelevant to journalism.”

    At the same time, the award drew cheers from PBS NewsHour White House correspondent Yamiche Alcindor, who tweeted that the prize was “well-deserved,” as well as Northwestern University history professor Leslie Harris.

    “Nikole Hannah-Jones is rightly celebrated by the Pulitzer Prize for her visionary efforts in opening up a new and much-needed national
    conversation on the meaning of slavery and race in our history,” Ms.
    Harris said in an email.

    Ms. Harris had challenged the project’s premise, saying “the
    Revolutionary War was a disrupter of slavery in the North American
    colonies” in a March 6 article in Politico. She also said the Times had ignored some of her suggested corrections.

    But she noted that she also had praised the project for its focus on
    slavery, saying in her article that it was “easy to correct facts; it is
    much harder to correct a worldview that consistently ignores and
    distorts the role of African Americans and race in our history.”

    “Nikole Hannah-Jones is rightly celebrated by the Pulitzer Prize for her visionary efforts in opening up a new and much-needed national
    conversation on the meaning of slavery and race in our history,” said
    Ms. Harris.

    Justice but not at expense of truth

    Critics noted that the Pulitzer board chose to honor the most disputed
    article in the series, “America Wasn’t a Democracy Until Black Americans Made It One,” which claimed for example that President Abraham Lincoln “opposed black equality” and ignored the contributions of white abolitionists and civil rights activists.

    The New York Times ultimately made corrections on two minor errors — a misspelled name and incorrect date — as well as the addition of the
    words “some of” to make it clear that not all of the colonists were primarily motivated by an impulse to safeguard, as explained in an
    editor’s “update.”

    “Conveniently left out of our founding mythology is the fact that one of
    the primary reasons some of the colonists decided to declare their
    independence from Britain was because they wanted to protect the
    institution of slavery,” Ms. Hannah-Jones said in the updated article.

    Those changes failed to assuage the concerns of some journalists or
    historians.

    “How many Pulitzer prizes have gone to essays that have had to
    subsequently publicly correct one of their core claims? Or been
    challenged by every major historian in the field, right and center and
    left?” tweeted former New Republic editor Andrew Sullivan.

    A dozen Civil War professors and scholars told the New York Times in a
    Dec. 30 letter published on the History News Network that the project
    presented a “historically-limited view of slavery” and “problematic treatment of major issues and personalities.”

    “We are also troubled that these materials are now to become the basis
    of school curriculums, with the imprimatur of the New York Times,” said
    the scholars. “The remedy for past historical oversights is not their replacement by modern oversights.”

    In a Dec. 21 letter to the New York Times, Mr. Wood, a Brown University professor of history and winner of the 1993 Pulitzer Prize for history
    for a book on the American Revolution, said, “We all want justice, but
    not at the expense of truth.”

    “I have spent my career studying the American Revolution and cannot
    accept the view that ‘one of the primary reasons the colonists decided
    to declare their independence from Britain was because they wanted to
    protect the institution of slavery,’” Mr. Wood said. “I don’t know of any colonist who said that they wanted independence in order to preserve
    their slaves.”

    The 1619 Project has also given rise to a K-12 curriculum promoted by
    the Pulitzer Center, the project’s “official education partner,” based
    on the work of Ms. Hannah-Jones, the series coordinator, including
    reading guides and activities that have entered 4,500 classrooms.

    Pulitzer Center spokesman Jeff Barrus said the institution is an
    independent nonprofit news and educational organization with no
    connection to the Pulitzer Prizes, which are administered by the
    Columbia University School of Journalism.

    That entrée into the nation’s schools has alarmed those who view the
    1619 Project as more of an activist screed than a serious work of
    history and journalism.

    Former New York Times editor Tony Kuntz accused the newspaper of failing
    to acknowledge that it was “advancing an unorthodox view held by a
    minority of academic and theorists.”

    “Viewing all of U.S. history through the lens of race and subjugation,
    the 1619 Project is less a work of revisionist history than advocacy,”
    he said in RealClearInvestigations, “one already being used to change
    the teaching of American history with related course materials
    distributed widely to schools.”



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    Pulitzer and Nobels mean nothing anymore. Why do Dems destroy everything
    they touch?
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    I am not sure what is wrong with people like you. You have neither read
    the essay involved or the criticism of it, or for that matter the
    comments from the original author acknowledging some of the complaints,
    but you come here and simply write a rant blaming Democrats. Hey
    "genius" the Nobel prize is not American but Swedish so exactly how did
    the Democrats "destroy" it. You are just a fundamentally small "man".

    Why are Trump supporters so damn stupid?
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    It was mostly the Democrats that owned the Slaves and the Plantations...
    it was the Democrats that fought the Civil War to keep their Slaves...
    it was Democrats that started the KKK and enacted all the Jim Crow
    Laws... it was Democrat Governors that stood in the doors of Schools to
    keep Blacks out... it was Robert Byrd the Democrat in the Senate that
    was a Grand Wizard and even today it is Democrat Governors that are seen
    in photos wearing Blackface and KKK Robes... No wonder the Democrats
    want to rewrite all of American History... they have been on the wrong
    side and brought death and destruction to so many of the people they
    said they were here to "take care of"... they have a lot of guilt to bare.

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