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  • Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to Colonel Edmund J. Burke on Thu Aug 13 08:04:34 2020
    XPost: alt.war.vietnam

    On 8/13/2020 7:04 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
    On 8/12/2020 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:rh151e0146n@news1.newsguy.com...

    Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?


    To whom is this directed?
    I cunt tell since you've spammed a number of froups.

    It certainly was not directed to you Burke.

    You have made it very clear many times that
    books have "too many words" for you.

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  • From Colonel Edmund J. Burke@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 13 09:55:04 2020
    XPost: alt.war.vietnam

    On 8/13/2020 8:04 AM, a425couple wrote:
    On 8/13/2020 7:04 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
    On 8/12/2020 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:rh151e0146n@news1.newsguy.com...

    Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?


    To whom is this directed?
    I cunt tell since you've spammed a number of froups.

    It certainly was not directed to you Burke.

    You have made it very clear many times that
    books have "too many words" for you.

    Not books, arsehole. Mostly the trivial horseshit you proffer here though.
    LOL

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  • From Steve Silverwood [KB6OJS]@21:1/5 to muratlanne@gmail.com on Wed Mar 29 16:26:31 2023
    On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:09:50 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "a425couple" wrote in message news:rh151e0146n@news1.newsguy.com...

    Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?

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    I switched from fiction to fact long ago, to avoid confusing them. Some >battles were too random and illogical to sell as fiction. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo

    Sorry to hear you say that. I've been able to successfully keep the
    fact and fiction separate in my mind, so I've been able to thoroughly
    enjoy both the historical books and the novels.

    The really good novelists like Griffin have been able to put the
    emotional feelings of the time into their work, which is frequently
    missing from the non-fiction history books that I've read.

    I try to alternate between the novels and the non-fiction on a given
    period as much as possible. The combination makes the whole reading
    experience about a particular period in history all that much more
    enjoyable.

    Of course, that's been MY personal experience. As they say in the TV disclaimers, "your mileage may vary, void in Nebraska, etc." :)

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    //Steve//

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  • From Steve Silverwood [KB6OJS]@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 29 16:19:24 2023
    Forgive the outdated reply. I've read a lot of hks books, except for
    the police novels, and I've been a fan of his work for a long time. He
    does appear to have done his fair share of research about his
    historical characters and events, so that his fiction is in proper
    context with historical events, so although the stories are fiction
    they're accurate in that aspect. To me, that makes them much more
    enjoyable. I have no reservations about recommending them. Hopefully
    you'll enjoy them as much as I do.

    On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:23:10 -0700, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?

    WEB Griffin, aka Butterworth, has written a fair number
    of series. I've read his series on US Marines
    (pre WWII through Vietnam), Army (1943 to Vietnam),
    and occasionally about Philly Police Work.

    I like him because he has a pretty good and realistic
    view of both military and police work. He certainly
    does a lot of serious research.

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    //Steve//

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  • From Steve Silverwood [KB6OJS]@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 29 16:28:14 2023
    Thanks for all these references. I'll read them as soon as I can,
    looking forward to adding to my knowledge on the subjects!

    On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:56:03 -0700, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/12/2020 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:rh151e0146n@news1.newsguy.com...

    Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?

    WEB Griffin, aka Butterworth, has written a fair number
    of series.  I've read his series on US Marines
    (pre WWII through Vietnam), Army (1943 to Vietnam),
    and occasionally about Philly Police Work.

    I like him because he has a pretty good and realistic
    view of both military and police work.  He certainly
    does a lot of serious research.

    =========================

    I switched from fiction to fact long ago, to avoid confusing them.

    For many years I also did not read fiction.
    Pretty much for the same reason.

    Some
    battles were too random and illogical to sell as fiction.

    That reminds me, in one of WEB Griffin's army books,
    he has a figure (clearly loosely based on General Patton)
    that sends a special task organized unit on a raid
    to rescue the General's son in law. I thought it
    was OK. But then later I read about the real raid,
    and Griffin's fiction made a lot more sense then the
    real deal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_Baum#:~:text=Task%20Force%20Baum%20was%20a,XIII%2DB%2C%20near%20Hammelburg.
    "Task Force Baum was a secret and controversial World War II
    task force set up by U.S. Army general George S. Patton and
    commanded by Capt. Abraham Baum in late March 1945. Baum was
    given the task of penetrating 50 miles (80 km) behind German
    lines and liberating the POWs in camp OFLAG XIII-B, near
    Hammelburg. Controversy surrounds the true reasons behind
    the mission ----"

    http://taskforcebaum.de/main1.html
    Interesting pictures, opinions, and map.

    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2018/12/28/witnessing-pattons-failure-a-prisoners-view-of-the-task-force-baum-raid/
    "Witnessing Patton’s Failure: A Prisoner’s View of the Task Force
    Baum Raid
    As a POW in Oflag XIII-B, Lieutenant Herndon Inge, Jr., had a front-row
    seat to Operation Baum, the disastrous attempt to liberate the camp."
    'But, as Patton’s biographer Carlo D’Este noted, “Hammelburg was
    the least defensible decision [Patton] ever made, and nearly as >self-destructive as the slappings [of American soldiers in Sicily]…. >Hammelburg has become an enduring stain on Patton’s reputation.” '

    Good book about it =
    Raid --- The Untold Story of Patton's Secret Mission By Richard Baron,
    Abe Baum and Richard Goldhurst; New York: G.P.Putnam's Sons, 1981
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024CEYK4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

    and there is even a youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPnpmmY1MJw
    Task Force Baum - Patton's Insane Rescue Mission 1945
    Mark Felton Productions
    842K subscribers
    In March 1945 General Patton ordered a lightning fast mission behind
    German lines by a small task force from the US 4th Armored Division -
    its objective - to liberate hundreds of American POWs in a camp 40 miles >inside German territory. So began Task Force Baum, Patton's 'mission too >far'.

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    //Steve//

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