• What could Queen Elizabeth have done differently 1952 to 2002 to avoid

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 10:05:06 2022
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    What could Queen Elizabeth done differently 1952 to 2002 to avoid the
    evil 'wokesters'?
    (Or at least, as I recall, the rules say topics should be 20 years
    old? !!)
    IMHO, this "woke" Uju Anya is evil.

    from
    What If 'Wokeness' was not allowed as an excuse to 'meanness' ?

    The quote is “I heard the chief monarch of a thieving raping
    genocidal empire is finally dying. May her pain be excruciating.”

    I do not recall any acts that Queen Elizabeth II did that extended
    any thieving and raping by the British Empire.


    from https://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2022/09/12/carnegie-mellon-university-professor-tweet-queen-elizabeth-ii-uju-anya-free-speech-higher-education/stories/202209110207

    Thousands sign petition defending Carnegie Mellon University professor
    whose tweet about dying queen went viral
    Photo of Bill Schackner
    BILL SCHACKNER
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    bschackner@post-gazette.com
    SEP 12, 2022 7:53 AM
    This story will be updated.

    Nearly 4,000 people have signed a petition defending Uju Anya, a
    Carnegie Mellon University professor whose viral tweet about a dying
    queen Elizabeth II — wishing her “excruciating” pain — drew scorn but also touched off a debate about free speech on college campuses.

    The signees — a mix of academics and alumni from various institutions in
    the U.S. and beyond — say Ms. Anya is a highly accomplished scholar and
    a force for diversity, equity and inclusion in the field of linguistics.

    The electronic petition and an accompanying letter said Ms. Anya’s
    tweet, sent from her personal Twitter account, spoke to personal anguish
    the Nigerian-born scholar still feels about atrocities by the British
    Empire decades ago that touched her family.


    In this December 2012 file photo, Britain's Queen Elizabeth II looks up
    and waves to members of staff of The Foreign and Commonwealth Office as
    she ends an official visit which is part of her Jubilee celebrations in
    London.
    Bill Schackner

    Carnegie Mellon professor’s critical tweet about the queen causes
    firestorm over social media and free campus speech
    “As colleagues at other institutions, one thing that sticks out to us is
    that universities have nothing to gain by calling out individual
    employees on free speech—especially when they can be seen doing it selectively—as is the case for CMU. Professor Anya’s twitter clearly states: ‘Views are mine,’” the letter reads in part. “Yet, her institution took up the charge to admonish a Black woman professor,
    calling her response to her lived experiences of the real and tangible
    impacts of colonialism and white supremacy, ‘offensive and
    objectionable.’ This is unacceptable and dehumanizing.

    “Simultaneously, the institution arguing that Professor Anya’s critical reflections were ‘not representative of the level of discourse at CMU’ forces us to ask: Where is the space for this sort of discourse if not
    within the free speech that academia purports to uplift?”

    Ms. Anya’s tweet, sent shortly before the queen’s death was announced Thursday, set off a furor online. Some called her remarks disgusting,
    ill-timed and unjustified.

    Her initial tweet read, “I heard the chief monarch of a thieving raping genocidal empire is finally dying. May her pain be excruciating.”

    In a statement Thursday, Carnegie Mellon said free expression is at the
    core of the mission of higher education — but also said it does not
    condone the message.

    The tweet that sparked the outrage as well as reactions to it from all
    sides speak to conflicted feelings in parts of the world about British
    empire rule and colonization in a period that included the 1950s when
    the Queen ascended to the throne.

    In many quarters of the world, she was revered as a monarch of grace,
    longevity and resilience. But her death also has brought to the surface lingering bitterness in parts of Africa, Asia and the Caribbean, The
    Associated Press reported.


    Queen Elizabeth II in 2011.
    Jesse Bunch
    Carnegie Mellon University professor's critical tweet about Queen
    Elizabeth II goes viral
    For instance, The AP wrote that in Kenya, where decades earlier a young Elizabeth learned of her father’s death and her new role as queen, a
    lawyer named Alice Mugo shared online a photograph of a fading document
    from 1956. It was issued four years into the queen’s reign, The AP
    wrote, and well into Britain’s harsh response to the Mau Mau rebellion against colonial rule.

    “Movement permit,” the document read, according to The AP. More than 100,000 Kenyans were rounded up in camps under grim conditions, and
    others, like Mugo’s grandmother, were forced to request British
    permission to go from place to place.

    “Most of our grandparents were oppressed,” Mugo tweeted in the hours
    after the queen’s death Thursday. “I cannot mourn.”

    Ms. Anya told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in an email Friday that she is
    the child and sibling of survivors of genocide in her native Nigeria.

    “From 1967-1970, more than 3 million civilians were massacred when the
    Igbo people of Nigeria tried to form the independent nation of Biafra,”
    she wrote. “Those slaughtered included members of my family. I was born
    in the immediate aftermath of this genocide.”

    But others saw her tweet as unforgivable, coming as England had just
    entered a national period of mourning over the 96-year-old queen. Some
    called for Carnegie Mellon to discipline or fire her. The school issued
    a statement repudiating the tweet by Ms. Anya, the associate professor
    of second language acquisition.

    “We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by
    Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is
    core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the
    standards of discourse we seek to foster.”

    University officials have not said if she will face sanctions.

    The Philadelphia-based Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression
    has urged Carnegie Mellon President Farnam Jahanian in a letter not to
    sanction Ms. Anya, even if her words were offensive.

    Bill Schackner: bschackner@post-gazette.com, 412-263-1977 and on Twitter @Bschackner

    First Published September 12, 2022, 7:53am



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    Thousands sign petition defending Carnegie Mellon professor whose tweet
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 12:20:01 2022
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    On 9/21/2022 10:05 AM, a425couple wrote:
    What could Queen Elizabeth done differently 1952 to 2002 to avoid the
    evil 'wokesters'?

    Nothing. The UK Monarch can't control international cultural changes.


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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Wed Sep 21 13:47:35 2022
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    On 09/21/2022 12:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 10:05 AM, a425couple wrote:
    What could Queen Elizabeth done differently 1952 to 2002 to avoid the
    evil 'wokesters'?

    Nothing.  The UK Monarch can't control international cultural changes.


    So then, can we all pick up rocks to stone the self righteous
    mean spirited people like the 'woke' Uju Anya?

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 13:57:47 2022
    XPost: alt.history.what-if

    On 09/21/2022 10:05 AM, a425couple wrote:
    What could Queen Elizabeth done differently 1952 to 2002 to avoid the
    evil 'wokesters'?
      (Or at least, as I recall, the rules say topics should be 20 years
    old? !!)
    IMHO, this "woke" Uju Anya is evil.

    from
    What If 'Wokeness' was not allowed as an excuse to 'meanness' ?

    The quote is “I heard the chief monarch of a thieving raping
    genocidal empire is finally dying. May her pain be excruciating.”

    I do not recall any acts that Queen Elizabeth II did that extended
    any thieving and raping by the British Empire.

    from https://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2022/09/12/carnegie-mellon-university-professor-tweet-queen-elizabeth-ii-uju-anya-free-speech-higher-education/stories/202209110207

    Thousands sign petition defending Carnegie Mellon University professor
    whose tweet about dying queen went viral


    Kind of along the same line: https://www.foxnews.com/media/don-lemon-roasted-royal-expert-answer-britain-paying-reparations-ready

    Don Lemon roasted over royal expert's answer on Britain paying
    reparations: 'He was not ready for this'
    CNN clip goes viral as guest pushes back on the crown owing slavery
    reparations
    By Gabriel Hays | Fox News


    Don Lemon schooled by Royals expert on the topic of Britain paying ‘reparations’
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    British royals expert Hilary Fordwich stunned CNN anchor Don Lemon into
    silence with her argument that African slave owners owe "reparations"
    rather than the British Empire, in a viral clip from CNN’s coverage of
    the death of the queen.

    Conservatives on Twitter found the clip hilarious, as it depicted Lemon
    getting swift pushback for trying to promote the narrative that the
    British crown owes reparations for slavery.

    Observers noted Lemon meekly switching topics without protest after Fordwich’s unexpected response

    The clip, which gained viral attention on Tuesday though it originally
    aired on CNN's "Don Lemon Tonight" around a week ago, began with the
    host telling Fordwich that "you have those who are asking for
    reparations for colonialism, and they’re wondering, you know, ‘$100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there.’"

    QUEEN ELIZABETH II INSIGNIA MISSING FROM PRINCE HARRY'S UNIFORM, WORN BY
    PRINCE WILLIAM, PRINCE ANDREW

    CNN anchor Don Lemon received a massive rebuttal from British royals commentator Hilary Fordwich to his claim that many are seeking
    reparations from the British crown for slavery.
    CNN anchor Don Lemon received a massive rebuttal from British royals commentator Hilary Fordwich to his claim that many are seeking
    reparations from the British crown for slavery.
    "Some people want to be paid back and members of the public are
    wondering, ‘Why are we suffering when you are, you have all this vast wealth?’ Those are legitimate concerns," Lemon stated.

    Fordwich agreed that the desire for reparations is alive and well,
    though those who want it can look to African slavers.

    "Well I think you’re right about reparations in terms of – if people
    want it though, what they need to do is, you always need to go back to
    the beginning of the supply chain. Where was the beginning of the supply chain?" she asked.

    "That was in Africa," she continued. "Across the entire world, when
    slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that abolished slavery?" It was "the British," Fordwich declared, adding, "In
    Great Britain they abolished slavery. 2,000 naval men died on the high
    seas trying to stop slavery. Why? Because the African kings were
    rounding up their own people. They had them [in] cages, waiting in the beaches."

    She concluded, "I think you’re totally right. If reparations need to be
    paid, we need to go right back to the beginning of that supply chain and
    say, ‘Who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffed in cages. Absolutely, that’s where they should start."

    After her answer, Lemon provided no pushback. He simply nodded,
    mentioned it’s "an interesting discussion" and moved to the next
    segment. As Twitter users pointed out, his silence was remarkable
    considering the anchor is one of the media’s most partisan personalities.

    -------------------
    Don Lemon, CNN's morning man?Video
    "HOLY MOLY DON LEMON WAS *NOT* READY FOR THIS," wrote National Pulse editor-in-chief Raheem Kassam.

    "Dilbert" comics creator Scott Adams mocked Lemon’s unenthused facial expressions after hearing Fordwich’s historical lesson.

    "His face at the end is the payoff," Adams remarked.

    Independent journalist Tim Pool tweeted, "Lol at Don lemons face hearing
    this s---."

    Conservative personality Former Republican congressional candidate
    Kimberly Klacik tweeted, "Don Lemon was NOT ready."

    Conservative commentator Allie Beth Stuckey wrote, "Ok this is amazing.
    Don Lemon brings up the need for slave reparations from the royal
    family. His guest says, yes, people should be demanding reparations…
    from the African leaders who sold them into slavery."

    "This is so spectacularly perfect that it’s almost as if Lemon was set
    up," remarked author and podcaster Dave Rubin.

    BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT ANALYZES MEGHAN MARKLE AT QUEEN’S FUNERAL

    Prince Andrew, King Charles III, Camilla, the Queen Consort, Princess
    Anne and Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence look on as the Duke of Hamilton
    places the Crown of Scotland on Queen Elizabeth's coffin during the
    service of prayer and reflection at St Giles' Cathedral, Edinburgh,
    Sept. 12, 2022.

    Conservative commentator Jason Howerton quipped, "Sure sex is great, but
    have you seen the look on @donlemon's face after getting utterly REKT
    on-air on slavery reparations?"

    "And NOW you know why Don Lemon was demoted. He's just not a very smart
    man. Way to go @donlemon," wrote radio host Joe Pagliarulo.

    CPAC chair Matt Schlapp asked, "And how about reparations to those who
    fought alongside former slaves to abolish American slavery? According
    [to] Lemon’s logic Democrats would need to pay reparations to
    Republicans. Kinda like it."

    Gabriel Hays is an associate editor at Fox News. Follow him on Twitter
    at @gabrieljhays.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 16:43:38 2022
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    On 9/21/2022 1:47 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 09/21/2022 12:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 10:05 AM, a425couple wrote:
    What could Queen Elizabeth done differently 1952 to 2002 to avoid the
    evil 'wokesters'?

    Nothing.  The UK Monarch can't control international cultural changes.


    So then, can we all pick up rocks to stone the self righteous
    mean spirited people like the 'woke' Uju Anya?

    Personally I have never heard of Uju Anya before now and in the context
    really don't care.

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    dirty old man.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 22 12:00:47 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:05:06 -0700, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    “We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by
    Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is
    core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared >absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the
    standards of discourse we seek to foster.?

    University officials have not said if she will face sanctions.

    The Philadelphia-based Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression
    has urged Carnegie Mellon President Farnam Jahanian in a letter not to >sanction Ms. Anya, even if her words were offensive.

    Even if they don't sanction her it would certainly be remembered if
    and when her name comes up for promotion.

    If this statement is NOT a "career limited move" it darned well should
    be. By all means say 'I won't be wearing black for the Queen' but
    wishing somebody - anybody - an agonizing death is several fathoms
    beyond the pale.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 22 11:58:40 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:05:06 -0700, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Ms. Anya told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in an email Friday that she is
    the child and sibling of survivors of genocide in her native Nigeria.

    “From 1967-1970, more than 3 million civilians were massacred when the
    Igbo people of Nigeria tried to form the independent nation of Biafra,?
    she wrote. “Those slaughtered included members of my family. I was born
    in the immediate aftermath of this genocide.?

    While I acknowledge that portion of the late 1960s was a terrible time
    in Nigeria (I know my history and it was) I totally fail to see how
    that is something one can reasonably wish an agonizing death on the
    queen given Nigeria became independent in October 1960.

    They had it right the first time - the Biafran tragedy DIDN'T happen
    on Britain's watch.

    Blame Britain for India in 1857 if you will or for the Zulu wars - but
    Biafra WASN'T on Britain's watch and while no question it was a
    genocidal war it WASN'T Britain's genocidal war.

    May as well blame Britain for America's history of slavery - though it
    DOES need to be stated that slavery was abolished in the British
    empire long before it was in the then independent United States.

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  • From Louis Epstein@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Fri Sep 23 19:05:44 2022
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    In alt.history.what-if Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 1:47 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 09/21/2022 12:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 10:05 AM, a425couple wrote:
    What could Queen Elizabeth done differently 1952 to 2002 to avoid the
    evil 'wokesters'?

    Nothing.? The UK Monarch can't control international cultural changes.


    So then, can we all pick up rocks to stone the self righteous
    mean spirited people like the 'woke' Uju Anya?

    Personally I have never heard of Uju Anya before now and in the context really don't care.


    I am sure history will continue to care far less about Uju Anya
    than Elizabeth II.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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