Greetings all
I was talking with The Wife about an alt-history scenario
involving a sudden resource shortage, and hand waved the question of
how it started by saying "Alien Space Bats did it." Immediately, she
then went straight to the point: If the Space Bats did it, then
wouldn't we be pestering them for solutions to the problems they provided/caused?
Which was an interesting diversion from the subject, but thinking
about it, how do the ASB accomplish their tasks, and how much would contemporary Humans notice? I keep coming back to the stock answer
"Depends upon The Needs of the Plot."
Aliens - Humanoids
Aliens - non-humanoid
Robots / doids
Artifacts (books, working models, copies of "lost" things, "anachronistic" items placed where they will be found*)
Time Travelers
Time traveling Aliens
Time Traveling alien robots.
Time Traveling alien Robots with artifacts.
And of course you have the issue of whether a time traveler knows
how he did it, knows how to do it again, _can_ do it again ("And here
I am in 12th century Wales and all I need to get back is ... a wall
socket and house current..")
Same goes for the ASB. Do they know what they are doing, or is it
a side effect of something else they are doing?** Did they leave
something as a "seed / catalyst" element? Deliberately, or it just
got forgotten?
If the Space Bats did it, then wouldn't we be
pestering them for solutions to the problems they
provided/caused?
Greetings all
I was talking with The Wife about an alt-history scenario
involving a sudden resource shortage, and hand waved the question of
how it started by saying "Alien Space Bats did it." Immediately, she
then went straight to the point: If the Space Bats did it, then
wouldn't we be pestering them for solutions to the problems they provided/caused?
Which was an interesting diversion from the subject, but thinking
about it, how do the ASB accomplish their tasks, and how much would contemporary Humans notice? I keep coming back to the stock answer
"Depends upon The Needs of the Plot."
Aliens - Humanoids
Aliens - non-humanoid
Robots / doids
Artifacts (books, working models, copies of "lost" things, "anachronistic" items placed where they will be found*)
Time Travelers
Time traveling Aliens
Time Traveling alien robots.
Time Traveling alien Robots with artifacts.
And of course you have the issue of whether a time traveler knows
how he did it, knows how to do it again, _can_ do it again ("And here
I am in 12th century Wales and all I need to get back is ... a wall
socket and house current..")
Same goes for the ASB. Do they know what they are doing, or is it
a side effect of something else they are doing?** Did they leave
something as a "seed / catalyst" element? Deliberately, or it just
got forgotten?
Now I have forgotten what exactly I had in mind, wait - there's
the door bell
tschus
pyotr
* I'm recalling a short story where the archeologist can't find his
Trowel, but when they move the stone slab from the floor they've
excavated down to, there it is. He's a bit upset, because it was his favorite, and now it is An Artifact" and he can't use it anymore.
Another story had the protagonist give her plastic bracelet to
another contemporary girl, who dies and is buried with it, and when
the archeologist excavate the site, 11,000 years later, there is this
child's skeleton with a plastic bracelet. "Obviously, this is a crime
scene, not a thousand year old burial site."
**E.G. the Vogon constructor company. The "Chthuloid entity" in
Ringo's _Into the Looking Glass_: it doesn't notice the humans,
quantum mechanics makes sense to it, and it 'broadcasts' its thought
and humans have to "roll vs SAN." There was another story where the protagonists gets hauled back to prehistoric Scandinavia in the vortex
cause by a slightly out of tune ("somewhere after the 19th decimal
place") Widget in a time machine. {He gets returned to the present,
safe and sound, by the same vortex as the researcher returns to xie's
time.}
If the Space Bats did it, then wouldn't we be
pestering them for solutions to the problems they
provided/caused?
On 6/13/20 12:02 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
If the Space Bats did it, then wouldn't we be
pestering them for solutions to the problems they
provided/caused?
This assumes we have any perception of the ASBs as agents.
More likely the Event just happens, and humans have no
idea how it happened.
Or humans see them Do It - but have no more idea of how
to communicate with the ASBs than ants would with humans.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:30:45 -0600, Rich Rostrom
<rrostrom@comcast.net> wrote:
On 6/13/20 12:02 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
If the Space Bats did it, then wouldn't we be
pestering them for solutions to the problems they
provided/caused?
This assumes we have any perception of the ASBs as agents.
More likely the Event just happens, and humans have no
idea how it happened.
Or humans see them Do It - but have no more idea of how
to communicate with the ASBs than ants would with humans.
I've always considered "ASBs" to be a plot device to make something >implausible happen and not actually a physical creature.
Others have called this "handwaveium"
On 6/13/20 12:02 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
If the Space Bats did it, then wouldn't we be
pestering them for solutions to the problems they
provided/caused?
This assumes we have any perception of the ASBs as agents.
More likely the Event just happens, and humans have no
idea how it happened.
Or humans see them Do It - but have no more idea of how
to communicate with the ASBs than ants would with humans.
In alt.history.what-if Rich Rostrom <rrostrom@comcast.net> wrote:
On 6/13/20 12:02 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
If the Space Bats did it, then wouldn't we be
pestering them for solutions to the problems they
provided/caused?
This assumes we have any perception of the ASBs as agents.
More likely the Event just happens, and humans have no
idea how it happened.
Or humans see them Do It - but have no more idea of how
to communicate with the ASBs than ants would with humans.
So...no way to ally with their natural predators?
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