Ed Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:
Canada, I suppose and Mexico definitely but what
does the U.S. import that is critical to its survival,
that the U.S. couldn't or doesn't already make?
Lots of electronic devices and electronic
components; power supplies, integrated
circuits, capacitors, batteries.
Computer disk drives.
Bits and pieces of almost everything,
because Chinese suppliers are
ubiquitous.
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom.21stcentury@rcn.com> on Tue, 21 May 2013
20:46:05 -0500 typed in alt.time-travel the following:
Ed Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:
Canada, I suppose and Mexico definitely but what
does the U.S. import that is critical to its survival,
that the U.S. couldn't or doesn't already make?
Lots of electronic devices and electronic
components; power supplies, integrated
circuits, capacitors, batteries.
Computer disk drives.
Bits and pieces of almost everything,
because Chinese suppliers are
ubiquitous.
There is a lot of manufacturing in the states which is dependent
upon imported supplies. Not just raw materials, but machine tools
components (e.G., ceramic inserts for machining).
Again, the question is how long to make current stockpiles last compared to how long to bring new production online.
There is a lot of manufacturing in the states which is dependent
upon imported supplies. Not just raw materials, but machine tools
components (e.G., ceramic inserts for machining).
Again, the question is how long to make current stockpiles last
compared to how long to bring new production online.
The people going back know exactly where the raw materials are
and Labor charges would be very cheap,
E.G. OHIO ISOT in 1490, there's oil just over the
border at Oil Creek near Titusvile, Pennsylvania.
But there is no road to there. Can the Republic of
Ohio send an expedition to Oil Creek, drill the
well...
and get the crude oil refined before they run
out of POL?
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
E.G. OHIO ISOT in 1490, there's oil just over the70 km over the border.
border at Oil Creek near Titusvile, Pennsylvania.
But there is no road to there. Can the Republic ofITYM _wells_. One well is not going to supply 11M people.
Ohio send an expedition to Oil Creek, drill the
well...
and get the crude oil refined before they run
out of POL?
No. WIth draconian rationing, the stock of POL in Ohio
might last three months. (For the last month, only
utterly essential uses.)
To get a useful supply of oil from Titusville, Ohio must
build 70 km of road, including probably several good sized
bridges,
bring the oil to the border, and another pipeline inside
Ohio to get the oil to the nearest refinery. Impossible
to get all this done in three months.
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom@comcast.net> on Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:57:20 -0600
typed in alt.time-travel the following:
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
E.G. OHIO ISOT in 1490, there's oil just over the70 km over the border.
border at Oil Creek near Titusvile, Pennsylvania.
But there is no road to there. Can the Republic ofITYM _wells_. One well is not going to supply 11M people.
Ohio send an expedition to Oil Creek, drill the
well...
And not that well, either. OTOH, there _may_ be better sites
close to Ohio.
Second factor: is it spring, fall or middle of winter? Weather
makes for other considerations,
and get the crude oil refined before they run
out of POL?
No. WIth draconian rationing, the stock of POL in Ohio
might last three months. (For the last month, only
utterly essential uses.)
How much corn can get converted to alcohol? (Okay, how much more?
B-) )
To get a useful supply of oil from Titusville, Ohio must
build 70 km of road, including probably several good sized
bridges,
If there are wildcatters in Ohio ... (I live in logging country.
When the Oso slide took out the highway, the logging companies were
able to throw a road around it a very short time. They had the
equipment and know how to "make a roadway". Maybe not pretty, but it
would support logging trucks.)
drill at least 50 wells, 70 km of pipeline to
bring the oil to the border, and another pipeline inside
Ohio to get the oil to the nearest refinery. Impossible
to get all this done in three months.
And there in lays the bind. Yes, we know where all those
resources are. A) Do we have the equipment to get it out?
drill at least 50 wells, 70 km of pipeline toFor some of it you won't need current state of the art. The oil
bring the oil to the border, and another pipeline inside
Ohio to get the oil to the nearest refinery. Impossible
to get all this done in three months.
And there in lays the bind. Yes, we know where all those
resources are. A) Do we have the equipment to get it out?
industry started by literally scooping oil up off the ground from where
it was seeping up. If you are exploiting virgin territory you can start >doing that again to help you keep going while you bootstrap yourself up.
I live in logging country.
When the Oso slide took out the highway, the logging companies were
able to throw a road around it a very short time.
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
I live in logging country.
When the Oso slide took out the highway, the logging companies were
able to throw a road around it a very short time.
The Oso slide covered about 1.3 km of the road.
The road to Titusville has to cover 70 km from one end.
Without GPS signals, and their clocks, ATMs would not work.
I suspect all manner of economic turmoil ensuing.
Dan Goodman wrote:(Occupying
A country is sent back several thousand years into the past.
the same area.) Which countries might do well, and whichwouldn't?
I suspect Nazi Germany would manage to get itself defeated in war.
From our time into the past? Don't know.
From several thousand years in the future into our time?
--
Dan Goodman
> Dan Goodman wrote:
> A country is sent back several thousand years into the past.
(Occupying
> the same area.) Which countries might do well, and which
wouldn't?
>
> I suspect Nazi Germany would manage to get itself defeated in war.
>
> From our time into the past? Don't know.
>
> From several thousand years in the future into our time?
> Dan Goodman
A well done movie with the idea you speak about
(Nazi Germany transported back to a different point in time) seems fascinating.
Always felt cheated by The Final Countdown that the ship (Aircraft
Carrier Nimitz) was sucked back to the present at the very end.
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