This view is no longer widely held of an accidental start of ww1
Checkout a book
https://www.amazon.com/Europes-Last-Summer-Started-Great/dp/037572575X
Agreed. WWI did not start accidentally. The Germans knew very well what they were doing in encouraging Austria-Hungary.
I wonder if we'll ever get the straight story regarding the Schlieffen Plan. "Most of the pre-1914 planning of the German General Staff was secret and
the documents were destroyed when the deployment plans were superseded every April.
Reportedly the German military brass years before, upon seeing Buffalo
Bill's Wild West Show, paid particular attention as to how the troupe was >able to load all those men and animals on a train and move them to their
next venue in short order.
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:44:48 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
Reportedly the German military brass years before, upon seeing Buffalo >>Bill's Wild West Show, paid particular attention as to how the troupe was >>able to load all those men and animals on a train and move them to their >>next venue in short order.
Don't know about that but do know what brought Eisenhower to attention
as a candidate for the highest commands was an exercise in the 1920s
where he moved a regiment from Chicago to New Orleans in what had been >thought to be an unimaginable time using both trucks and trains
Reportedly the German military brass years before, upon seeing Buffalo >>Bill's Wild West Show, paid particular attention as to how the troupe was >>able to load all those men and animals on a train and move them to their >>next venue in short order.
Don't know about that but do know what brought Eisenhower to attention as
a candidate for the highest commands was an exercise in the 1920s where he moved a regiment from Chicago to New Orleans in what had been thought to
be an unimaginable time using both trucks and trains
Had any of the great powers known in 1914 what they were facing by 1918-19
I doubt any of them would have gone to war.
For instance in 5 years Britain went from world's greatest creditor to world's greatest debtor and the Empire was never quite the same.
But let us assume that Russia goes to war if Germany wins, then France
will be left facing Germany alone.
As it happened, British entry into the war wasn't long term at all.
But for WWI and consequently WWII, Britain and
France could have held on to their colonies for at
least another century...
I doubt it was the Kaiser himself but the high officials in the German
government who were looking for a chance.
The Kaiser was not personally involved in the backdoor work of inciting Austria to war, but he had for years been rattling sabers. He told King Albert of Belgium that war with France was inevitable, and hinted strongly that the irresistible German army would march across Belgium, which should submit quietly. He was equally bellicose in Austria, regarding Russia.
"SolomonW" wrote in message news:1lsbvzbg9nfw3.6fzrc68lh0ed.dlg@40tude.net...
But let us assume that Russia goes to war if Germany wins, then France
will be left facing Germany alone.
At which time the Frogs will sue for peace, cede a couple
more provinces, like in 1871, and call it a draw...
"Rich Rostrom" wrote in message news:rrostrom-A54160.17574916082019@reader01.eternal-september.org...
SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:
I doubt it was the Kaiser himself but the high officials in the German
government who were looking for a chance.
The Kaiser was not personally involved in the backdoor work of inciting
Austria to war, but he had for years been rattling sabers. He told King
Albert of Belgium that war with France was inevitable, and hinted strongly >> that the irresistible German army would march across Belgium, which should >> submit quietly. He was equally bellicose in Austria, regarding Russia.
In the face of such boasts, both Britain and France had for years been preparing militarily for such an eventuality, and German military leaders were chomping at the bit to get things going before being outspent and "overtaken."
Several such as Terence Zuber "The real german war plan 1904-14"
claim that the Schlieffen Plan was better describe as a rough
concept rather than a plan.
It was Russia that really worried them. It had the biggest army and
was fast modernising. To the German militarist, this was getting
close to the last chance to beat Russia. They were right about this.
"When war broke out in Europe in 1914, it surprised a European population >enjoying the most beautiful summer in memory." Lots of folks remember the >summer of 1939 the same way, that is, until Sept. 1st.
Agreed. WWI did not start accidentally. The Germans knew very well what
they were doing in encouraging Austria-Hungary.
The Germans, like Britain and France, wanted an empire too.
The Greeks 2,400 years ago knew what happens when a rising power rivals a >ruling power: "It was the rise of Athens, and the fear that this instilled
in Sparta, that made war inevitable." -- Thucydides
When a rising power threatens to displace a ruling power, it rarely ends >well.
https://www.amazon.com/Destined-War-America-Escape-Thucydidess-ebook/dp/B01IAS9FZY
An up-and-coming Germany vs. imperial Britain = WWI
Japanese imperial expansion vs. United States = WWII
"In 12 of 16 past cases in which a rising power has confronted a ruling >power, the result has been bloodshed." >https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/thucydides-trap-are-us-and-china-headed-war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku8KqQccoUU
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/the-thucydides-trap/
I wonder if we'll ever get the straight story regarding the Schlieffen Plan. >"Most of the pre-1914 planning of the German General Staff was secret and
the documents were destroyed when the deployment plans were superseded every >April. The bombing of Potsdam in April 1945 destroyed the Prussian army >archive and only incomplete records and other documents survived. Some >records became available after the fall of the German Democratic Republic >(GDR), making an outline of German war planning possible for the first time, >proving wrong much post-1918 writing." >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan
Reportedly the German military brass years before, upon seeing Buffalo
Bill's Wild West Show, paid particular attention as to how the troupe was >able to load all those men and animals on a train and move them to their
next venue in short order...
"When war broke out in Europe in 1914, it surprised a European population >>enjoying the most beautiful summer in memory." Lots of folks remember the >>summer of 1939 the same way, that is, until Sept. 1st.
Complete nonsense - my late grandmother was VERY VERY plain in her view
that from the time Hitler occupied Prague (Jan 1939) the view was nearly universal that it wasn't IF war was coming but WHEN and the feeling was
that they did well to get to September without war.
Reportedly the German military brass years before, upon seeing Buffalo >>Bill's Wild West Show, paid particular attention as to how the troupe was >>able to load all those men and animals on a train and move them to their >>next venue in short order...
Hmmm. I heard the same story about the Germans and Ringling Brothers.
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