<wolfdaisy@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3ae95d68-124c-4f77-a0c0-5b2f000cfdc5@googlegroups.com...

. . . quotation which is attributed to Winston Churchill . . .

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world
war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's
trading
system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world
finance its opportunity to profit." .

It is:
(Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, 'Propaganda in the Next War' 2001, orig. 1938.

This seems unlikely. Churchill seldom expressed opinions about
economics (which he never studied except on the job) and the
idea that "world finance" should profit seems unlikely in his lexicon.

No less to the point, this "unforgivable" crime is here ranked
ahead of activities like the Roehm murders, Nuremburg Laws,
concentration camps and the annexation of Bohemia.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

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On Friday, January 13, 2006 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, A Historian wrote:

I have come across the following quotation which is attributed to Winston Churchill, with a cited source, but I am unable to determine if the citation is accurate and the quoted statement is genuinely attributable to Churchill.

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world
war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit." .

The original source, Propaganda in the Next War (International propaganda and communications) by Sidney Rogerson, was published in 1938, and is according to the Amazon website out of print, however I have heard that a second edition was published in 2001, and that in this later edition the quote appears in the foreword as a quote of remarks made by Churchill to
Lord Robert Boothby.

Clearly if the remark is genuine Churchill, it accords well with the view held by an increasing number of historians, including myself, that WW2 was
in essence fought mainly for economic reasons at the instigation of global financiers. That it was a planned continuation of WW1. There is a very considerable body of historical information supporting this view and
although not popular with many traditional or conventional historians it is gaining wider acceptance.

Can any reader offer any corroboration of the authenticity of the cited source please.

A historian.

It is:
(Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, 'Propaganda in the Next War' 2001, orig. 1938.

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On 2016-09-10 9:24 PM, wolfdaisy@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, January 13, 2006 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, A Historian wrote:

I have come across the following quotation which is attributed to Winston
Churchill, with a cited source, but I am unable to determine if the citation >> is accurate and the quoted statement is genuinely attributable to Churchill. >>
"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world
war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading >> system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world
finance its opportunity to profit." .

The original source, Propaganda in the Next War (International propaganda >> and communications) by Sidney Rogerson, was published in 1938, and is
according to the Amazon website out of print, however I have heard that a
second edition was published in 2001, and that in this later edition the
quote appears in the foreword as a quote of remarks made by Churchill to
Lord Robert Boothby.

Clearly if the remark is genuine Churchill, it accords well with the view
held by an increasing number of historians, including myself, that WW2 was >> in essence fought mainly for economic reasons at the instigation of global >> financiers. That it was a planned continuation of WW1. There is a very
considerable body of historical information supporting this view and
although not popular with many traditional or conventional historians it is >> gaining wider acceptance.

Can any reader offer any corroboration of the authenticity of the cited
source please.

A historian.

It is:
(Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, 'Propaganda in the Next War' 2001, orig. 1938.

Wow. What can I say about a response to a question posted 10 years
earlier? I did some searching because it certainly didn't sound like
anything else Churchill had said about Hitler and Germany. The
accuracy of this quote has been questioned and it seems to lead back to
to an Englishman by the name of David Pidcock, a convert to Islam and
founder of the Islamic Party of Britain. Apparently Pidcock gave no
citation for the quote, though it has been quoted in various neo Nazi
sites.

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On 2016-09-11 6:39 PM, Don Phillipson wrote:

<wolfdaisy@gmail.com> wrote in message

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world
war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's
trading
system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world
finance its opportunity to profit." .

It is:
(Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney
Rogerson, 'Propaganda in the Next War' 2001, orig. 1938.

This seems unlikely. Churchill seldom expressed opinions about
economics (which he never studied except on the job) and the
idea that "world finance" should profit seems unlikely in his lexicon.

It was pretty obvious that the quote, that seems to have originated in
the mind of an Islamic convert was referencing those nasty Jews who the
Nazis blamed for all their problems. Churchill had apparently read Mein
Kamph and had some understanding of Hitler's attitude toward Jews, but
the fate of the Jews was not well known until the Allies started
liberating the concentration camps.

No less to the point, this "unforgivable" crime is here ranked
ahead of activities like the Roehm murders, Nuremburg Laws,
concentration camps and the annexation of Bohemia.

Germany had engaged in the violation of one term of the Treaty of
Versailles after another. Britain had appeased them. They were not in a position to go to war. They had lost a generation of young men in WWI
and had been through a depression. They knew that they could not count
on the US to come to their aid to enforce the terms of a treaty.

There were lots of good reasons for Britain to try to keep Germany under control and I don't think there is any reason to think that Churchill
would think it necessary to go to war to protect Jewish bankers.
Militarizing the Rhineland would have been a good reason. Annexing
Austria would have been a good reason. Annexing the Sudetenland would
have been a good reason. Annexing the rest of Czechoslovakia would have
been a good reason. Protecting the ability of Jewish bankers???? I sure
don't see that Churchill. What we have here is a questionable "quote"
invented by an Islamist.

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On Friday, January 13, 2006 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, A Historian wrote:

I have come across the following quotation which is attributed to Winston Churchill, with a cited source, but I am unable to determine if the citation is accurate and the quoted statement is genuinely attributable to Churchill.

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world
war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit." .

The original source, Propaganda in the Next War (International propaganda and communications) by Sidney Rogerson, was published in 1938, and is according to the Amazon website out of print, however I have heard that a second edition was published in 2001, and that in this later edition the quote appears in the foreword as a quote of remarks made by Churchill to
Lord Robert Boothby.

Clearly if the remark is genuine Churchill, it accords well with the view held by an increasing number of historians, including myself, that WW2 was
in essence fought mainly for economic reasons at the instigation of global financiers. That it was a planned continuation of WW1. There is a very considerable body of historical information supporting this view and
although not popular with many traditional or conventional historians it is gaining wider acceptance.

Can any reader offer any corroboration of the authenticity of the cited source please.

A historian.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/PROPAGANDA_IN_THE_NEXT_WAR_FOREWORD.html

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On 2016-12-25 1:37 PM, wolfdaisy@gmail.com wrote:

Can any reader offer any corroboration of the authenticity of the cited
source please.

A historian.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/PROPAGANDA_IN_THE_NEXT_WAR_FOREWORD.html

The authenticity of that article has been questioned. The author, David
M Pidcock (M for Musa) is a Muslim convert and head of the Islamic
Party of Britain. It is curious that someone could quote such a line
from a private conversation.

For some reason, this questionable stuff keeps surfacing after long
periods. I suppose that someone subscribes the the idea that if you
repeat a lie often enough people start to believe it and it becomes true.

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wolfdaisy@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, January 13, 2006 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, A Historian wrote:

I have come across the following quotation which is attributed to Winston Churchill, with a cited source, but I am unable to determine if the citation
is accurate and the quoted statement is genuinely attributable to Churchill.

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war...
war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading
system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit."

IOW, the JOOSS did it!

The original source, Propaganda in the Next War (International propaganda and communications) by Sidney Rogerson, was published in 1938...

The actual source is a foreword inserted in a later edition.
Which is rather obvious, as in 1938, Churchill could not have
been quoted about something "before the second world war".

Can any reader offer any corroboration of the authenticity of the cited source please.

No. The "quotation" is a fake. The only source for it is
the foreword, which was added to Rogerson's book in 2001.

A historian.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/PROPAGANDA_IN_THE_NEXT_WAR_FOREWORD.html

This site is the personal website of a conspiracy crank:
"a proud member of Obama's secret death list", an anti-vaccine
crank, a Pearl Harbor conspiracy nut, a 9-11 Truther, and so on.
--
The real Velvet Revolution - and the would-be hijacker.

http://originalvelvetrevolution.com

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On 2016-12-26 1:10 PM, Rich Rostrom wrote:

wolfdaisy@gmail.com wrote:

IOW, the JOOSS did it!

The original source, Propaganda in the Next War (International
propaganda and communications) by Sidney Rogerson, was published
in 1938...

The actual source is a foreword inserted in a later edition. Which is
rather obvious, as in 1938, Churchill could not have been quoted
about something "before the second world war".

Can any reader offer any corroboration of the authenticity of the
cited source please.

No. The "quotation" is a fake. The only source for it is the
foreword, which was added to Rogerson's book in 2001.

A historian.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/PROPAGANDA_IN_THE_NEXT_WAR_FOREWORD.html

This site is the personal website of a conspiracy crank: "a proud
member of Obama's secret death list", an anti-vaccine crank, a Pearl
Harbor conspiracy nut, a 9-11 Truther, and so on.

It should be noted that this fellow has resurrected this thread back in September replying to "A Historian", the same identity that provides the
cite for the source. It appears to be a strange sort of factoid that he
is trying to pass off as truth, quoting one person who claims to be
citing another and, as it turns out, the author is has no credibility.
It would appear that this fellow is under the impression that if he
presents this lie as fact and then cites an unreliable source as proof,
and does so once in a while it will provide the seeds of credibility.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler accused the Jews of "the big lie" . Make it a big
lie, make it simple, keep repeating it and people will believe you.

That is exactly what appears to be happening here. The man has created
a quote that is supposed to have been based on a private conversation
that is supposed to expose Churchill as an anti Semite, and it pops up frequently. There is the big, simple lie and the repetition.

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