• Dunkirk, Imperial War Museum, & Tamzine

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 14:44:57 2017
    So, a year ago we visited the Imperial War Museum
    in London.

    One of the displays that interested us was the Tamzine.
    "Tamzine is notable for having participated as a ''little ship' during
    the 1940 evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force from Dunkirk
    in northern France.
    At 14.7 feet (4.5 m) in length Tamzine was the smallest vessel to take
    part in the evacuation."

    Wow!
    A totally open boat.
    I was particularly interested because a couple of years ago
    I decided as a special treat to buy my self a little sailboat ($700)
    and got a 9'6" nutshell pram. I normally use it on my 5 acre
    lake. I've been brave a couple of times, and taken it out
    on the big Lake Washington (kind of 20 miles by 2 miles wide).
    I do not plan on open ocean with it.

    There will soon be a new movie out about Dunkirk.

    In my opinion, the Imperial War Museum was fine, but
    nothing special (except perhaps for the Holocaust display).
    One can, by searching on line (& Google Images) see much of it.

    I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
    an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
    against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
    valued at approximately 200,000, not counting the loss of irreplaceable
    books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was sentenced to
    four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason, it struck me
    as quite anti-war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamzine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ships_of_Dunkirk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_War_Museum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(2017_film) https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/5/15545458/dunkirk-trailer http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dunkirk-christopher-nolan-trailer-video-1202404748/

    check out Google Images,
    imperial war museum holocaust exhibition

    I'd give a short cut, but the bots will lose the post for
    improper line length.
    The small scale diorama model house was quite gripping.

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  • From Andrew Chaplin@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Sat May 6 10:51:33 2017
    "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:oeigtu024ik@news3.newsguy.com:

    So, a year ago we visited the Imperial War Museum
    in London.

    One of the displays that interested us was the Tamzine.
    "Tamzine is notable for having participated as a ''little ship' during
    the 1940 evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force from Dunkirk
    in northern France.
    At 14.7 feet (4.5 m) in length Tamzine was the smallest vessel to take
    part in the evacuation."

    Wow!
    A totally open boat.
    I was particularly interested because a couple of years ago
    I decided as a special treat to buy my self a little sailboat ($700)
    and got a 9'6" nutshell pram. I normally use it on my 5 acre
    lake. I've been brave a couple of times, and taken it out
    on the big Lake Washington (kind of 20 miles by 2 miles wide).
    I do not plan on open ocean with it.

    There will soon be a new movie out about Dunkirk.

    In my opinion, the Imperial War Museum was fine, but
    nothing special (except perhaps for the Holocaust display).
    One can, by searching on line (& Google Images) see much of it.

    I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
    an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
    against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
    valued at approximately 200,000, not counting the loss of
    irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
    sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
    it struck me as quite anti-war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamzine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ships_of_Dunkirk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_War_Museum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(2017_film) https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/5/15545458/dunkirk-trailer http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dunkirk-christopher-nolan-trailer-vide o-1202404748/

    check out Google Images,
    imperial war museum holocaust exhibition

    I'd give a short cut, but the bots will lose the post for
    improper line length.
    The small scale diorama model house was quite gripping.

    Footage of her in Ramsgate harbour near the start. http://www.britishpathe.com/video/dunkirk-25-years-after
    --
    Andrew Chaplin
    SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
    (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

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  • From John Dallman@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 10:52:22 2017
    In article <oeigtu024ik@news3.newsguy.com>, a425couple@hotmail.com
    (a425couple) wrote:

    I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
    an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, ... On his conviction in 1969 he
    was sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined
    reason, it struck me as quite anti-war.

    The Imperial War Museum has been completely overhauled since then. Extrapolating the tone in 1968 from the current museum isn't practical.

    John

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ab.chaplin@yourfinger.rogers.com on Sat May 6 15:51:20 2017
    On Sat, 06 May 2017 10:51:33 -0400, Andrew Chaplin <ab.chaplin@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:

    I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
    an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
    against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
    valued at approximately 200,000, not counting the loss of
    irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
    sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
    it struck me as quite anti-war.

    While I appreciate that was 1968 (which was a big year for protests
    generally) I find it hard to believe any person who had actually been
    through the Imperial War Museum could think it was about the
    glorification of militarism.

    I was there last June and they had 3 main exhibits - a permanent one
    on the Holocaust, one on the Cold War (which I misssed as time was
    getting on and I wanted time in the shop - and didn't want a repeat of
    what had happened at the Greenwich Observatory where an hour before
    closing a large group of school kids entered and basically took over
    the place so you couldn't see anything and they closed PROMPTLY at
    4:30pm so we weren't allowed in the gift shop there) and one on the
    Somme.

    When you left the Somme exhibit you couldn't miss the statistics given
    in huge letters over the exit. The one that hit me hardest was the one
    that said that 55% of British and Empire troops killed in WW1 (note:
    not just the Somme battle) HAVE NO KNOWN GRAVE.

    Now while I'm prepared to believe a few names have slipped by the
    Imperial War Graves Commission that's a horrendous statistic and only
    the most emotionless could fail to be profoundly moved.

    How that can glory militarism is beyond me..

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  • From Andrew Chaplin@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sat May 6 19:21:22 2017
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in news:nf9sgcpelkfcs8jl1t4gpa7jm2ekpqfolb@4ax.com:

    "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in
    news:oeigtu024ik@news3.newsguy.com:
    I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
    an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
    against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
    valued at approximately 200,000, not counting the loss of
    irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
    sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
    it struck me as quite anti-war.

    While I appreciate that was 1968 (which was a big year for protests generally) I find it hard to believe any person who had actually been
    through the Imperial War Museum could think it was about the
    glorification of militarism.

    I was there last June and they had 3 main exhibits - a permanent one
    on the Holocaust, one on the Cold War (which I misssed as time was
    getting on and I wanted time in the shop - and didn't want a repeat of
    what had happened at the Greenwich Observatory where an hour before
    closing a large group of school kids entered and basically took over
    the place so you couldn't see anything and they closed PROMPTLY at
    4:30pm so we weren't allowed in the gift shop there) and one on the
    Somme.

    When you left the Somme exhibit you couldn't miss the statistics given
    in huge letters over the exit. The one that hit me hardest was the one
    that said that 55% of British and Empire troops killed in WW1 (note:
    not just the Somme battle) HAVE NO KNOWN GRAVE.

    Now while I'm prepared to believe a few names have slipped by the
    Imperial War Graves Commission that's a horrendous statistic and only
    the most emotionless could fail to be profoundly moved.

    How that can glory militarism is beyond me..

    Please mind your attributions.
    --
    Andrew Chaplin
    SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
    (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ab.chaplin@yourfinger.rogers.com on Sun May 7 00:27:10 2017
    On Sat, 06 May 2017 19:21:22 -0400, Andrew Chaplin <ab.chaplin@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:

    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in >news:nf9sgcpelkfcs8jl1t4gpa7jm2ekpqfolb@4ax.com:

    "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in >news:oeigtu024ik@news3.newsguy.com:
    I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
    an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
    against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
    valued at approximately 200,000, not counting the loss of
    irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
    sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
    it struck me as quite anti-war.

    How that can glory militarism is beyond me..

    Please mind your attributions.

    I wasn't the author of the original comment.

    Obviously I know the difference between a nutbar in 1968 and my
    personal experience at the IWM in June 2016.

    Equally there may well have been major philosophical differences in
    the nearly 50 years between the two. Equally nobody could possibly be
    confused on that point now.

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  • From Andrew Chaplin@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sun May 7 10:55:10 2017
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in news:568tgct6hqg4vlmd2006dg2cjni2tq369g@4ax.com:

    I wasn't the author of the original comment.

    Obviously I know the difference between a nutbar in 1968 and my
    personal experience at the IWM in June 2016.

    Equally there may well have been major philosophical differences in
    the nearly 50 years between the two. Equally nobody could possibly be confused on that point now.

    I am objecting to you responding to the quote of "a425couple" in my post,
    while leaving my name and deleting his.
    --
    Andrew Chaplin
    SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
    (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ab.chaplin@yourfinger.rogers.com on Mon May 8 14:04:55 2017
    On Sun, 07 May 2017 10:55:10 -0400, Andrew Chaplin <ab.chaplin@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:
    I am objecting to you responding to the quote of "a425couple" in my post, >while leaving my name and deleting his.

    My apologies - I thought you were slanging me for confusing 1968 and
    2016.

    I'm generally fairly meticulous on trimming so for sure you have my
    apologies - it's definitely not my intent to make anyone's words seem
    to be by someone else.

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