• Hurricane mark IV engines.

    From Geoffrey Sinclair@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 11:30:05 2017
    As you tour the web and references you find the engine of the
    Hawker Hurricane mark IV is often given as a Merlin 24 or 27.
    However,

    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/18854.php

    The accident report for KX190 (the 28th mark IV in serial number
    terms) and the loss report for KZ607 (189th) both state the engine
    was a Merlin XX, with KZ607 lost in February 1944.

    There were 524 Hurricane IV produced, starting in December 1942.

    Cumulative official production of Hurricane IV \ Merlin 24 \ Merlin 27,
    to end of month,

    Jul-43 \ 313 \ 16 \ 0
    Aug-43 \ 349 \ 81 \ 0
    Sep-43 \ 384 \ 349 \ 0
    Oct-43 \ 412 \ 514 \ 0
    Nov-43 \ 448 \ 719 \ 69
    Dec-43 \ 464 \ 1296 \ 139
    Jan-44 \ 474 \ 1661 \ 141
    Feb-44 \ 523 \ 2028 \ 141
    Mar-44 \ 524 \ 2315 \ 141

    Of course the Merlin 24 was the engine of choice for Lancaster I
    being built at the time. Strangely enough Lancaster I production had
    halted in April 1943, 5 were built in July, then production resumed with
    18 in September, rising to 103 in March, all up 362 Lancasters
    requiring 1,448 engines plus spares September 1943 to March 1944.

    In January 1944 the RAF offered to hand over 30 mark IV to the Russians
    at Basra, which was accepted, as the Russians had accepted nearly
    3,000 Hurricane mark II with Merlin XX engines it seems unlikely the mark
    IV were any different engine wise.

    It is probable most mark IV came off the production line with a Merlin XX installed, short of plenty of them in storage awaiting engines. Also any
    mark IV sent overseas would be the only types with a Merlin 24 and
    especially 27 if that was fitted. Given the nature of the Merlin 27 run and the fact no other aircraft seems to be listed as using it, there must have
    been some mark IV fitted with it, and possibly others with Merlin 24.

    Anybody with evidence either way?

    Hurricane IV squadrons,

    England,
    137 sqn Jun-43 to Jan-44,
    164 sqn Feb-43 to Feb-44,
    184 sqn May-43 to Mar-44,
    186 sqn Aug-43 to Jan-44 (Typhoon as well from Nov-43),
    438 sqn Nov-43 to May-44 (Typhoon as well from Jan-44),
    439 sqn Jan to Apr 44 (Typhoon as well from Feb-44),

    plus almost all the target towing squadrons from late 1943 or early
    1944 to around the end of the war.

    Middle East/Mediterranean,
    6 sqn from June 1943 to post war.
    351 sqn Sep-44 to Jun-45,

    Burma/India
    20 sqn Dec-44 to Sep-45 (Along with mark II),
    42 sqn Oct-43 to Jun-45 (Plus some mark II for 7 of these months).

    Plus a few more squadrons that had mark IV for around a month
    in all three theatres.

    One final point, the Ministry of Aircraft Production thinks there were
    270 Hurricane IIe built, 168 of which were between March and
    September 1942. Many references say these were essentially
    mark IV, the RAF in its aircraft census says they were mark IIB
    factory fitted with wing racks or IIBB in RAF terms. The RAF
    Contract Cards and Delivery Logs do not have any IIe

    A memo dated 30 August 1942, notes the IIe is the Hurribomber,
    with 60 built to the end of June 1942. The production reports
    have 5 IIe in March, 15 in April, 19 in May and 21 in June 1942.

    The 524 mark IV figure above excludes the 270 IIe.

    Geoffrey Sinclair
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  • From Stephen Graham@21:1/5 to Geoffrey Sinclair on Thu Apr 27 14:18:12 2017
    On 4/27/2017 8:30 AM, Geoffrey Sinclair wrote:

    Plus a few more squadrons that had mark IV for around a month
    in all three theatres.

    There were squadrons that only had Hurricane Mark IVs for a month? That
    seems unusually inefficient.

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  • From Geoffrey Sinclair@21:1/5 to Stephen Graham on Fri Apr 28 09:10:05 2017
    "Stephen Graham" <graham1@speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:emequqFd6vgU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 4/27/2017 8:30 AM, Geoffrey Sinclair wrote:

    Plus a few more squadrons that had mark IV for around a month
    in all three theatres.

    There were squadrons that only had Hurricane Mark IVs for a month? That
    seems unusually inefficient.

    Depends, for example whether a few were there for training
    or evaluation or some added for a particular mission.

    The ones in Europe were generally were awaiting Typhoons,
    440 sqn ex 111 RCAF, formed in Feb-44 with Hurricane IV,
    in March Typhoons replaced the Hurricanes.

    But not all, 63 sqn, had Mustang I so a tactical reconnaissance
    unit, Hurricane IV added in April, Spitfire Vb in May, replacing
    the last of the Mustang I, then the Hurricanes left in June.

    309 sqn, Hurricane IV replaced Mustang I in Feb-44 in turn
    replaced by Hurricane IIC in April, in turn replaced by Mustang
    I in September in turn replaced by Mustang II in October. Looks
    like a reserve tactical reconnaissance squadron given a new
    mission.

    In India for example 28 sqn had some Hurricane IV added to
    its Hurricane IIc May/Jun-45. Spitfire XI, the reconnaissance
    version arrived in July, left in September, Spitfire VIII and XIV
    replaced the Hurricane IIC in October.

    To correct my initial statement, the front line short term
    Hurricane IV assignments were in Europe and India.

    On another point all 349 Hurricane IV reported produced to
    end August 1943 had been delivered to the RAF, along with
    1 conversion. So as of end August 1943,

    Fighter Command had 44 in operational units and 22 in
    miscellaneous units, 14 were with 2nd TAF, 1 was in Technical
    Training, 128 at Maintenance Units (and maybe some of these
    lacked engines), another 28 at various places being modified,
    repaired or being prepared for shipment, 75 were en route to
    overseas destinations, 19 were in the Mediterranean, 4 in India.
    11 had been lost in England, 3 in transit and 1 was with the
    Admiralty.

    Geoffrey Sinclair
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  • From Geoffrey Sinclair@21:1/5 to Geoffrey Sinclair on Tue May 2 09:58:50 2017
    "Geoffrey Sinclair" <gsinclairnb@froggy.com.au> wrote in message news:AP-dnWuWbe3QkJ_EnZ2dnUU7-c3NnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
    As you tour the web and references you find the engine of the
    Hawker Hurricane mark IV is often given as a Merlin 24 or 27.

    Rolls Royce report only a possibility that a Hurricane flew with
    a Merlin 24 or 27 and then for test purposes only.

    The Merlin 27 built were converted to Merlin 25, which had reverse
    flow cooling for the Mosquito.

    The mark IV used the Merlin XX like the mark II.

    Conclusion, the Hurricane mark IV used the Merlin XX engine, like
    the mark II.

    Post war some Hurricanes sold to Portugal used Merlin 22.

    Geoffrey Sinclair
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  • From Mario@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 11:24:12 2017
    Geoffrey Sinclair 15:58, marted́ 2 maggio 2017:
    "Geoffrey Sinclair"

    As you tour the web and references you find
    the engine of the Hawker Hurricane mark IV is
    often given as a Merlin 24 or 27.

    Rolls Royce report only a possibility that a
    Hurricane flew with a Merlin 24 or 27 and then
    for test purposes only.

    The Merlin 27 built were converted to Merlin
    25, which had reverse flow cooling for the
    Mosquito.


    I noted in many photos of the Mosquito that
    engines have only 5 exhaust gas "pipes".
    Where is the 6th one?


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    oiram

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  • From Bill Shatzer@21:1/5 to Mario on Tue May 2 15:17:04 2017
    Mario wrote:
    Geoffrey Sinclair 15:58, marted́ 2 maggio 2017:
    "Geoffrey Sinclair"

    As you tour the web and references you find
    the engine of the Hawker Hurricane mark IV is
    often given as a Merlin 24 or 27.

    Rolls Royce report only a possibility that a
    Hurricane flew with a Merlin 24 or 27 and then
    for test purposes only.

    The Merlin 27 built were converted to Merlin
    25, which had reverse flow cooling for the
    Mosquito.


    I noted in many photos of the Mosquito that
    engines have only 5 exhaust gas "pipes".
    Where is the 6th one?

    http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/mosquitocowlingsjh_1.htm

    "Due to the geometry of the wing, engine cowlings, and the leading edge
    of the radiators on the inboard side of the nacelles, it was not
    possible to fit six individual exhaust stubs on both sides. To allow for
    a standard setup on each side, the #6 exhaust was routed forward to join
    with the #5 stub. While this allowed the exhausts to fit into the
    physical space available on the inboard side, it was less than ideal
    from a performance standpoint."

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  • From Mario@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 3 20:01:02 2017
    Bill Shatzer 21:17, marted́ 2 maggio 2017:
    Mario wrote:

    I noted in many photos of the Mosquito that
    engines have only 5 exhaust gas "pipes".
    Where is the 6th one?

    http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/mosquitocowlingsjh_1.htm

    "Due to the geometry of the wing, engine cowlings, and the
    leading edge of the radiators on the inboard side of the
    nacelles, it was not possible to fit six individual exhaust
    stubs on both sides. To allow for a standard setup on each
    side, the #6 exhaust was routed forward to join with the #5
    stub. While this allowed the exhausts to fit into the
    physical space available on the inboard side, it was less
    than ideal from a performance standpoint."


    Thanks!


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    oiram

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