• Question for Legacy users

    From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 17 16:04:18 2018
    I recently posted a bug report to Rootsmagic (for about the 3rd time
    over several years) because RM gives me an error "Range Check error"
    when failing to generate an index with a large descendants list. It
    works OK if I start with a more recent ancestor, but if I start with
    my earliest Hoffpauir, the report fails. The programmers have
    acknowledged, and reproduced the error with my data file, but haven't
    yet fixed the problem. I'm beginning to think they never will.

    So my question for Legacy users... will Legacy produce a report
    consisting of simply a list of all the descendants (and their spouses)
    of a given ancestor, along with basic b. m. d. & place information,
    for a large number of descendants. There are over 19,000 direct
    descendants (and spouses) of the "original" Hoffpauir in my database,
    and because the descendant report tends to duplicate individuals if
    they are descended from the originator by more than one path, there
    are many more names in the report than actual individuals. And if it
    will create such a report, will it also include an index?

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Mon Jun 18 06:39:44 2018
    On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 16:04:18 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    I recently posted a bug report to Rootsmagic (for about the 3rd time
    over several years) because RM gives me an error "Range Check error"
    when failing to generate an index with a large descendants list. It
    works OK if I start with a more recent ancestor, but if I start with
    my earliest Hoffpauir, the report fails. The programmers have
    acknowledged, and reproduced the error with my data file, but haven't
    yet fixed the problem. I'm beginning to think they never will.

    So my question for Legacy users... will Legacy produce a report
    consisting of simply a list of all the descendants (and their spouses)
    of a given ancestor, along with basic b. m. d. & place information,
    for a large number of descendants. There are over 19,000 direct
    descendants (and spouses) of the "original" Hoffpauir in my database,
    and because the descendant report tends to duplicate individuals if
    they are descended from the originator by more than one path, there
    are many more names in the report than actual individuals. And if it
    will create such a report, will it also include an index?

    I've never had a problem with such reports but I don't thiunk I have
    that number of descendants for a single ancestor.
    --
    Steve Hayes
    Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
    http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

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  • From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Mon Jun 18 10:05:28 2018
    On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 16:04:18 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    It works OK if I start with a more recent ancestor, but if I start with
    my earliest Hoffpauir, the report fails. The programmers have
    acknowledged, and reproduced the error with my data file, but haven't
    yet fixed the problem. I'm beginning to think they never will.

    I don't know the percentage of genealogists who have such a vast
    number of people in their data base - it must be pretty small.

    NOT BEING A PROGRAMMER seems to me like fixing the problem would be
    elementary. Back in the days of Family Origins Bruce incorporated
    several of my suggestions. Your wall may be that the programming
    effort is not worth it for one person (who questioned).

    Not that you asked but seems like you could segregate by generations.
    Why does it have to be a single continuous list?

    Hugh

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  • From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Mon Jun 18 13:49:25 2018
    On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 16:04:18 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    I recently posted a bug report to Rootsmagic (for about the 3rd time
    over several years) because RM gives me an error "Range Check error"
    when failing to generate an index with a large descendants list. It
    works OK if I start with a more recent ancestor, but if I start with
    my earliest Hoffpauir, the report fails. The programmers have
    acknowledged, and reproduced the error with my data file, but haven't
    yet fixed the problem. I'm beginning to think they never will.

    So my question for Legacy users... will Legacy produce a report
    consisting of simply a list of all the descendants (and their spouses)
    of a given ancestor, along with basic b. m. d. & place information,
    for a large number of descendants. There are over 19,000 direct
    descendants (and spouses) of the "original" Hoffpauir in my database,
    and because the descendant report tends to duplicate individuals if
    they are descended from the originator by more than one path, there
    are many more names in the report than actual individuals. And if it
    will create such a report, will it also include an index?

    OK, RM support contacted me and advised running a built-in tool that I
    had not used before, and this seems to have fixed everything! I can
    now get my list, with an index!

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  • From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to Sullivan on Mon Jun 18 14:12:17 2018
    On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 10:05:28 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 16:04:18 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    It works OK if I start with a more recent ancestor, but if I start with
    my earliest Hoffpauir, the report fails. The programmers have
    acknowledged, and reproduced the error with my data file, but haven't
    yet fixed the problem. I'm beginning to think they never will.

    I don't know the percentage of genealogists who have such a vast
    number of people in their data base - it must be pretty small.

    NOT BEING A PROGRAMMER seems to me like fixing the problem would be >elementary. Back in the days of Family Origins Bruce incorporated
    several of my suggestions. Your wall may be that the programming
    effort is not worth it for one person (who questioned).

    Not that you asked but seems like you could segregate by generations.
    Why does it have to be a single continuous list?

    Hugh

    Thnks for your comments. Yes that is a large number. Years ago there
    were "family legends" about the origins of the Hoffpauirs in
    Louisiana, even several books written claiming one story or another,
    but nothing sourced. After I retired in 1995 a cousin and I decided to
    correct some of the obviouly incorrect stories. That little project
    started out with a little 400 page genealogy book with the descendants
    of the earliest known Hoffpauir along with source information to lend
    some credence to what we were putting down. That cousin passed away in
    2000, leaving the project to me. The corrected information was well
    received... the family has held an annual reunion for 55 years now....
    and soon I was receiving requests to add information documenting
    latter generations that we didn't address in the early effort. Since
    our earliest ancestor lived in the 1735-1827 period and had three
    surviving offspring, the family has been multiplying like rabbits!
    That's why the list is so big.
    It doesn't have to be one list... I only do that because to separate
    it into generations, I'd have to create multiple lists or books. If,
    for example, I put the first 3 generations into one list or book, then
    to continue the family documentation, I'd need 36 individual books for
    the next generations. What's more, there was so much intermarriage in
    those early generations, that many people would sppear in several of
    the 36 books. We have a number of people at the reunion every year
    that are actually descended from each of Thomas' surviving children. I
    myself descend from 2 of the 3, by 3 different paths.
    Southern genealogy can sonetimes be a chore, but as I've osted
    elsewhere, RM has given me the solution, which was already built into
    the program.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Tue Jun 19 05:36:28 2018
    On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:49:25 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    OK, RM support contacted me and advised running a built-in tool that I
    had not used before, and this seems to have fixed everything! I can
    now get my list, with an index!

    What is the tool, in case any of the rest of us need to use it?


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  • From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Tue Jun 19 09:59:08 2018
    On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:12:17 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:


    Since our earliest ancestor lived in the 1735-1827 period and had three >surviving offspring, the family has been multiplying like rabbits!

    I imagined you went back to Adam and Eve! I factually start at 1790.
    BUT, I can unarguably go back 5 genertions to a 1693 immigration. I
    thought I was the only one who couldn't go much further back.

    I mentioned the separation because I match a Wyatt at 67 steps on a
    YDNA test. He doesn't match any other tested Wyatts and the only
    Sullivan I match is a known cousin. I suppose Wyatt and Sullivan
    females were impregnated (probably in England) by one or more John
    Does and the births took their mother's surname.

    The Wyatts can be found all over the internet listed by generation -
    but less rabbit-habit.

    I worked for a natural gas transmission company for 35 years. I have
    visited the Louisiana area (east to west) from Eunice to 90 miles
    offshore a number of times - plus NOLA and Red Stick.

    Is South Louisiana your area? Can we get to Geaux Tigers and Roll
    Tide?

    Hugh

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  • From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Tue Jun 19 10:04:32 2018
    On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:49:25 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    OK, RM support contacted me and advised running a built-in tool that I
    had not used before, and this seems to have fixed everything! I can
    now get my list, with an index!

    Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

    That type of support is another reason for me to change from Legacy to
    RM.

    I don't like backup, ged, etc., files all over the computer so I just
    created a Roots Magic folder for all that stuff.

    I like organized and simple.

    Hugh

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Tue Jun 19 18:54:32 2018
    On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 05:36:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:49:25 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    OK, RM support contacted me and advised running a built-in tool that I
    had not used before, and this seems to have fixed everything! I can
    now get my list, with an index!

    What is the tool, in case any of the rest of us need to use it?


    Charlie seems to be having problems connecting to the NG, and replied
    to this in e-mail.

    His reply was that he reindexed the RM database.

    That is part of the database tools in RootsMagic, that are available
    in the full version but not in the free version.

    I run the database integrity check about once a week, or if RootsMagic
    closes abnormally (power failure, crash etc). If it reports a problem
    I do the reindex,

    For what it's worth, I have the full version of RM 6, and the
    "Essentials" version of RM 7. RM 6 will not connect to FamilySearch,
    but RM 7 does. As the data file is the same in both versions I switch
    between them, depending on what I want to do.






    --
    Steve Hayes
    Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
    http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

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  • From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Tue Jun 19 19:45:32 2018
    On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:54:32 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    Charlie seems to be having problems connecting to the NG, and replied
    to this in e-mail.

    I thought one now had to subscribe to Facebook, Twitter or some such
    social group to get the RM News Group. Subscribing to one of them
    ain't NEVER gonna happen for me.

    For what it's worth, I have the full version of RM 6, and the
    "Essentials" version of RM 7. RM 6 will not connect to FamilySearch,
    but RM 7 does. As the data file is the same in both versions I switch
    between them, depending on what I want to do.

    I have full version RM 7 and Legacy 9. I don't understand not
    upgrading every time.

    Hugh

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  • From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to Sullivan on Tue Jun 19 15:03:31 2018
    On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:45:32 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:54:32 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    Charlie seems to be having problems connecting to the NG, and replied
    to this in e-mail.

    I thought one now had to subscribe to Facebook, Twitter or some such
    social group to get the RM News Group. Subscribing to one of them
    ain't NEVER gonna happen for me.

    For what it's worth, I have the full version of RM 6, and the
    "Essentials" version of RM 7. RM 6 will not connect to FamilySearch,
    but RM 7 does. As the data file is the same in both versions I switch >>between them, depending on what I want to do.

    I have full version RM 7 and Legacy 9. I don't understand not
    upgrading every time.

    Hugh

    Well, I've somehow managed to get this working again. I still don't
    know what happened.... I tried everything I know about Agent (not
    much) without success then tried re-installing it from the original
    download of 2015, but got a message that the license key I'd saved
    wasn't correct.... contacted Agent support (but haven't heard from
    them yet) so tried changing every option I could find. I don't know
    what fixed Agent, but as Steve reported, the fix for my indexing
    problem was already built into RM, I just didn't know what was broken.
    To Hugh's comment... Steve was referring to this newsgroup. The RM
    User's "list" is via email and you have to subscribe. There is also a
    Users group for RM on Facebook that is said to be good, but since I
    hate Facebook, I don't go there.
    As to the problem I was having with Agent... it's beginning to look
    like the problem is somewhere between the frames of my glasses.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to Sullivan on Wed Jun 20 05:48:03 2018
    On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:45:32 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    For what it's worth, I have the full version of RM 6, and the
    "Essentials" version of RM 7. RM 6 will not connect to FamilySearch,
    but RM 7 does. As the data file is the same in both versions I switch >>between them, depending on what I want to do.

    I have full version RM 7 and Legacy 9. I don't understand not
    upgrading every time.

    It's a matter of still owing the dentist.

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  • From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Wed Jun 20 10:58:47 2018
    On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:48:03 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:45:32 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    For what it's worth, I have the full version of RM 6, and the >>>"Essentials" version of RM 7. RM 6 will not connect to FamilySearch,
    but RM 7 does. As the data file is the same in both versions I switch >>>between them, depending on what I want to do.

    I have full version RM 7 and Legacy 9. I don't understand not
    upgrading every time.

    It's a matter of still owing the dentist.

    My bad. After being retired 31 years I look at it as spending the
    kid's inheritance.

    Hugh

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