• Surprise

    From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 11 19:49:57 2019
    I looked at the ratings of genealogy computer programs and Family
    Historian is rated #1- Legacy, Heredis and Roots Magic are nos. 2,3
    and 4.

    I have never tried Family Historian and I have never heard of Heredis.
    Maybe some of you experts have comments for this old has been.

    Hugh

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  • From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to Sullivan on Fri Jan 11 17:18:14 2019
    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:49:57 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    I looked at the ratings of genealogy computer programs and Family
    Historian is rated #1- Legacy, Heredis and Roots Magic are nos. 2,3
    and 4.

    I have never tried Family Historian and I have never heard of Heredis.
    Maybe some of you experts have comments for this old has been.

    Hugh

    I'd like to know "who" did the rating, and how it was done. I know of
    no objective way to rank those programs.... I've actually tried all
    but Heredis, and I could only rank them subjectively, that is, as to
    my personal preference as to the way they present information, and hoe
    the program "feels".

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  • From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Sat Jan 12 02:55:14 2019
    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:18:14 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:49:57 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    I looked at the ratings of genealogy computer programs and Family
    Historian is rated #1- Legacy, Heredis and Roots Magic are nos. 2,3
    and 4.

    I have never tried Family Historian and I have never heard of Heredis. >>Maybe some of you experts have comments for this old has been.

    Hugh

    I'd like to know "who" did the rating, and how it was done. I know of
    no objective way to rank those programs.... I've actually tried all
    but Heredis, and I could only rank them subjectively, that is, as to
    my personal preference as to the way they present information, and hoe
    the program "feels".

    I have RootsMagic and Legacy on the computer. I like Legacy navigation
    better but I like the RootsMagic program. GEDs don't transport the
    same, at least not for name source.

    I started with Family Origins and defended it against Banner Blue's
    program Family Tree Maker.

    It appears to me that Family Historian navigates (family) much like
    Legacy but the data might more closely match RootsMagic. I'm thinking
    of the 30 day free trial but I wonder if that is worth the effort.

    What was your impression of the program, Charlie?

    Hugh

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  • From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to Sullivan on Fri Jan 11 22:08:46 2019
    On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 02:55:14 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:18:14 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:49:57 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
    Sullivan) wrote:

    I looked at the ratings of genealogy computer programs and Family >>>Historian is rated #1- Legacy, Heredis and Roots Magic are nos. 2,3
    and 4.

    I have never tried Family Historian and I have never heard of Heredis. >>>Maybe some of you experts have comments for this old has been.

    Hugh

    I'd like to know "who" did the rating, and how it was done. I know of
    no objective way to rank those programs.... I've actually tried all
    but Heredis, and I could only rank them subjectively, that is, as to
    my personal preference as to the way they present information, and hoe
    the program "feels".

    I have RootsMagic and Legacy on the computer. I like Legacy navigation
    better but I like the RootsMagic program. GEDs don't transport the
    same, at least not for name source.

    I started with Family Origins and defended it against Banner Blue's
    program Family Tree Maker.

    It appears to me that Family Historian navigates (family) much like
    Legacy but the data might more closely match RootsMagic. I'm thinking
    of the 30 day free trial but I wonder if that is worth the effort.

    What was your impression of the program, Charlie?

    Hugh

    Might be worthwhile now,. I tried it many years ago (BRM) while I was
    still using a combination of FTM and FO. I simply thought it
    "uncomfortable". If someone or something rates it highly now, it must
    have improved. For years, many people sweared by TMG. I tried it, and
    didn't think it was worth the effort, primarily because it did
    everything sloooowly.

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  • From Dennis Lee Bieber@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 12 00:20:12 2019
    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:08:46 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir <invalid@invalid.com> declaimed the following:


    Might be worthwhile now,. I tried it many years ago (BRM) while I was
    still using a combination of FTM and FO. I simply thought it
    "uncomfortable". If someone or something rates it highly now, it must
    have improved. For years, many people sweared by TMG. I tried it, and
    didn't think it was worth the effort, primarily because it did
    everything sloooowly.

    Don't know about "sloooowly", but TMG (and what I preferred -- before it
    was bought by the company that at the time owned FTM, and then killed the program that needed major rewrite for 32-bit Windows in favor of the bottom rung program -- Ultimate Family Tree: at the time, UFT and TMG were in contention for the top-rated program) is an /event based/ program.
    "Families" are artifacts in event-based genealogy programs. All the others
    I've been exposed to are "family based" -- everything derives from a family (husband/wife and children; you can not have a lone parent with children without creating some sort of "family" entry, even if the spouse is
    unknown).

    My one gripe with TMG is the report writer... UFT could create a journal
    for all end-line ancestors, and could reliably handle "continuation"
    through marriages in both directions. TMG's "avoid duplicates" / "follow surname" only works in the forward direction {It has been some time, so the options may be named differently: if MrB married MsA, the "follow surname"
    says children will be under the chapter for MrB, but the "avoid duplicates"
    for MrB assumes the children were details under MsA}


    --
    bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber
    HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

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  • From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net on Sat Jan 12 10:19:10 2019
    On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:20:12 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber <bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:08:46 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir <invalid@invalid.com> >declaimed the following:


    Might be worthwhile now,. I tried it many years ago (BRM) while I was
    still using a combination of FTM and FO. I simply thought it >>"uncomfortable". If someone or something rates it highly now, it must
    have improved. For years, many people sweared by TMG. I tried it, and >>didn't think it was worth the effort, primarily because it did
    everything sloooowly.

    Don't know about "sloooowly", but TMG (and what I preferred -- before it
    was bought by the company that at the time owned FTM, and then killed the >program that needed major rewrite for 32-bit Windows in favor of the bottom >rung program -- Ultimate Family Tree: at the time, UFT and TMG were in >contention for the top-rated program) is an /event based/ program.
    "Families" are artifacts in event-based genealogy programs. All the others >I've been exposed to are "family based" -- everything derives from a family >(husband/wife and children; you can not have a lone parent with children >without creating some sort of "family" entry, even if the spouse is
    unknown).

    My one gripe with TMG is the report writer... UFT could create a journal
    for all end-line ancestors, and could reliably handle "continuation"
    through marriages in both directions. TMG's "avoid duplicates" / "follow >surname" only works in the forward direction {It has been some time, so the >options may be named differently: if MrB married MsA, the "follow surname" >says children will be under the chapter for MrB, but the "avoid duplicates" >for MrB assumes the children were details under MsA}

    I just did a search for genealogy programs. I was actually trying to
    remember all the programs I'd tried (couldn't remember Reunion), and
    found this site which evaluates current programs. https://www.smarterhobby.com/genealogy/best-genealogy-software/#tab-con-32
    Note that they don't pick "the best". They list various strengths and weaknesses. What best for me isn't best for someone else.

    When I was still using DOS-based PAF I actually thought that program
    was really the best piece of software I'd ever seen, and I've been
    using computers since the 60's.

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  • From J. Hugh Sullivan@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.com on Sat Jan 12 17:02:07 2019
    On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:19:10 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
    <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:20:12 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber ><bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:08:46 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir <invalid@invalid.com> >>declaimed the following:


    Might be worthwhile now,. I tried it many years ago (BRM) while I was >>>still using a combination of FTM and FO. I simply thought it >>>"uncomfortable". If someone or something rates it highly now, it must >>>have improved. For years, many people sweared by TMG. I tried it, and >>>didn't think it was worth the effort, primarily because it did
    everything sloooowly.

    Don't know about "sloooowly", but TMG (and what I preferred -- before it >>was bought by the company that at the time owned FTM, and then killed the >>program that needed major rewrite for 32-bit Windows in favor of the bottom >>rung program -- Ultimate Family Tree: at the time, UFT and TMG were in >>contention for the top-rated program) is an /event based/ program. >>"Families" are artifacts in event-based genealogy programs. All the others >>I've been exposed to are "family based" -- everything derives from a family >>(husband/wife and children; you can not have a lone parent with children >>without creating some sort of "family" entry, even if the spouse is >>unknown).

    My one gripe with TMG is the report writer... UFT could create a journal >>for all end-line ancestors, and could reliably handle "continuation" >>through marriages in both directions. TMG's "avoid duplicates" / "follow >>surname" only works in the forward direction {It has been some time, so the >>options may be named differently: if MrB married MsA, the "follow surname" >>says children will be under the chapter for MrB, but the "avoid duplicates" >>for MrB assumes the children were details under MsA}

    I just did a search for genealogy programs. I was actually trying to
    remember all the programs I'd tried (couldn't remember Reunion), and
    found this site which evaluates current programs. >https://www.smarterhobby.com/genealogy/best-genealogy-software/#tab-con-32 >Note that they don't pick "the best". They list various strengths and >weaknesses. What best for me isn't best for someone else.

    When I was still using DOS-based PAF I actually thought that program
    was really the best piece of software I'd ever seen, and I've been
    using computers since the 60's.

    I wanted to like TMG - the owner was a well known bridge player and I
    wanted my partner and me to play some cut-throat social bridge with
    him. But TMG was too slow and too sophisticated for what I wanted at
    the time.

    I wanted to try Reunion but it disappeared about the time I was ready.

    I'm not looking for fancy printouts - almost any descendant report
    will do. I want a program that will tell me which sources or major
    data is missing so I can dot all the i's and cross the t's. RootsMagic
    does that better IMO. But I really dislike the left to right
    navigation in the family mode - Legacy up and down is far superior
    IMO.

    Family Historian 6 is supposedly much improved - and usually higher
    rated than RootsMagic which is a surprise. RM gets a high rating for portability which I don't need. I have a desktop ASUS laptop and a
    Surace Pro 6 both with i7 chips.

    I'm 91 now and too much sophistication is beginning to be a bother.
    I'm supposed to have dementia but I keep forgetting. :)

    Thanks to everyone for responses.

    Hugh

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