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    From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Charlie Hoffpauir on Sat Apr 28 20:51:21 2018
    On 28/04/18 20:03, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    Thanks for that link.... but Libre Office Draw is probably a lot more
    like Vue than like a word processor. I posted a detailed genealogy
    chart drawn using Libre Office Draw on line a few years ago, but unfortunately it's on Rootsweb which for that service, is still non-functioning.

    In questions like this, a lot comes down to personal taste, but I
    generally prefer Inkscape over Vue or Libre Office Draw if I want to
    draw a family tree by hand.

    Richard

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  • From Tony Proctor@21:1/5 to Richard Smith on Sat Apr 28 23:30:38 2018
    "Richard Smith" <richard@ex-parrot.com> wrote in message news:fkk1lpFm6hnU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 28/04/18 20:03, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    Thanks for that link.... but Libre Office Draw is probably a lot more
    like Vue than like a word processor. I posted a detailed genealogy
    chart drawn using Libre Office Draw on line a few years ago, but
    unfortunately it's on Rootsweb which for that service, is still
    non-functioning.

    In questions like this, a lot comes down to personal taste, but I
    generally prefer Inkscape over Vue or Libre Office Draw if I want to draw
    a family tree by hand.

    Richard

    I've tried using MS Office, Dia, and some other general-purpose tool I can't remember the name of now, Richard, but none were designed specifically for
    the job. Hence, the results were never as good as I wanted, which is why I
    went the SVG route and produced a custom design tool for it. Generating a
    JPG or other image format from the SVG is trivial, but you do lose that scalability.

    I cringe at some of the ones I used to generate. I can now create a tree in
    a tiny fraction of the time, and with thumbnail images in them, and change
    the layout or H/V orientation in a matter of seconds to produce a modified image.

    I didn't originally intend to import trees using GEDCOM, but one of the
    users found my design tool so useful he produced a free importer himself.

    Tony

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  • From john@21:1/5 to Tony Proctor on Tue May 1 13:11:21 2018
    On 29/04/2018 00:30, Tony Proctor wrote:
    "Richard Smith" <richard@ex-parrot.com> wrote in message news:fkk1lpFm6hnU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 28/04/18 20:03, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    Thanks for that link.... but Libre Office Draw is probably a lot more
    like Vue than like a word processor. I posted a detailed genealogy
    chart drawn using Libre Office Draw on line a few years ago, but
    unfortunately it's on Rootsweb which for that service, is still
    non-functioning.

    In questions like this, a lot comes down to personal taste, but I
    generally prefer Inkscape over Vue or Libre Office Draw if I want to draw
    a family tree by hand.

    Richard

    I've tried using MS Office, Dia, and some other general-purpose tool I can't remember the name of now, Richard, but none were designed specifically for the job. Hence, the results were never as good as I wanted, which is why I went the SVG route and produced a custom design tool for it. Generating a
    JPG or other image format from the SVG is trivial, but you do lose that scalability.

    I cringe at some of the ones I used to generate. I can now create a tree in
    a tiny fraction of the time, and with thumbnail images in them, and change the layout or H/V orientation in a matter of seconds to produce a modified image.

    I didn't originally intend to import trees using GEDCOM, but one of the
    users found my design tool so useful he produced a free importer himself.

    Tony



    Unfortunately, when I tried the GEDCOM conversion program I found
    various problems with larger trees.

    By far the best charting program I found was in the Genbox Family
    History software. Very flexible and capable of charting hundreds of
    individuals with multiple links. Unfortunately the development stopped
    for some reason in 2012/13 (I believe it was just an individual, William
    T Flight) and it is no longer supported or for sale. You can download
    and try it for 30 days (it is possible to get round the startup error in
    Win7 and later).

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  • From Tony Proctor@21:1/5 to Charlie Hoffpauir on Tue May 1 11:24:55 2018
    "Charlie Hoffpauir" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message news:oo25edpetld0kukndrbstbu68m6j8qj25i@4ax.com...
    Thanks for that information Tony. I looked at the examples you linked,
    and am very impressed. I think I can use this somehow, maybe not as originally intended, but it's so neat!

    Charlie, I see that you're in the FB group, but I've been trying to reach
    you, without success, via FB messaging in order to get a copy to you. Can
    you confirm that you've seen this?

    Tony

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  • From john@21:1/5 to Tony Proctor on Tue May 1 15:07:08 2018
    On 01/05/2018 14:16, Tony Proctor wrote:
    "john" <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote in message news:pc9i13$1d3f$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    On 29/04/2018 00:30, Tony Proctor wrote:
    "Richard Smith" <richard@ex-parrot.com> wrote in message
    news:fkk1lpFm6hnU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 28/04/18 20:03, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    Thanks for that link.... but Libre Office Draw is probably a lot more >>>>> like Vue than like a word processor. I posted a detailed genealogy
    chart drawn using Libre Office Draw on line a few years ago, but
    unfortunately it's on Rootsweb which for that service, is still
    non-functioning.

    In questions like this, a lot comes down to personal taste, but I
    generally prefer Inkscape over Vue or Libre Office Draw if I want to
    draw
    a family tree by hand.

    Richard

    I've tried using MS Office, Dia, and some other general-purpose tool I
    can't
    remember the name of now, Richard, but none were designed specifically
    for
    the job. Hence, the results were never as good as I wanted, which is why >>> I
    went the SVG route and produced a custom design tool for it. Generating a >>> JPG or other image format from the SVG is trivial, but you do lose that
    scalability.

    I cringe at some of the ones I used to generate. I can now create a tree >>> in
    a tiny fraction of the time, and with thumbnail images in them, and
    change
    the layout or H/V orientation in a matter of seconds to produce a
    modified
    image.

    I didn't originally intend to import trees using GEDCOM, but one of the
    users found my design tool so useful he produced a free importer himself. >>>
    Tony



    Unfortunately, when I tried the GEDCOM conversion program I found various
    problems with larger trees.

    By far the best charting program I found was in the Genbox Family History
    software. Very flexible and capable of charting hundreds of individuals
    with multiple links. Unfortunately the development stopped for some reason >> in 2012/13 (I believe it was just an individual, William T Flight) and it
    is no longer supported or for sale. You can download and try it for 30
    days (it is possible to get round the startup error in Win7 and later).


    Thanks for the update, John. I didn't write the GEDCOM loader but I know the author would welcome any feedback in that FB group.

    Did you get chance to try the actual tree designer program?

    Tony



    No, sorry I didn't. I had a look but, to be honest, it seemed too much
    of a task to create a tree for more than a dozen or so people.

    So I looked at the GEDCOM converter. Even though I'd exported a group
    GEDCOM with "top" individuals it didn't recognise the structure and,
    having to go through different family groups to find the top, I didn't
    succeed there either. To be honest, I only tried a couple of times, both
    of which were failures, so I gave up. But I suspect I was being far too ambitious with a file containing 119 individuals/74 families which I'd
    exported from TMG.

    Charlie Hoffpauir asked in his original message whether there was any
    software which would accept a GEDCOM. That is why I use Genbox. It
    handles large, complex GEDCOM (even with disconnected groups; I've not investigated how it handles complex multiple relationship links) and
    gives a chart which is editable within the program and can be printed an
    saved for reloading. Unfortunately the chart format seems to be unique
    to Genbox; I've not found an alternative program to convert or edit the
    output (Genbox creates the chart for the above file in less than a second).

    If your SVG Family-Tree Generator had a much easier GEDCOM conversion front-end, I'm sure it would find a much larger audience.

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  • From Tony Proctor@21:1/5 to john on Tue May 1 13:16:24 2018
    "john" <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote in message news:pc9i13$1d3f$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    On 29/04/2018 00:30, Tony Proctor wrote:
    "Richard Smith" <richard@ex-parrot.com> wrote in message
    news:fkk1lpFm6hnU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 28/04/18 20:03, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    Thanks for that link.... but Libre Office Draw is probably a lot more
    like Vue than like a word processor. I posted a detailed genealogy
    chart drawn using Libre Office Draw on line a few years ago, but
    unfortunately it's on Rootsweb which for that service, is still
    non-functioning.

    In questions like this, a lot comes down to personal taste, but I
    generally prefer Inkscape over Vue or Libre Office Draw if I want to
    draw
    a family tree by hand.

    Richard

    I've tried using MS Office, Dia, and some other general-purpose tool I
    can't
    remember the name of now, Richard, but none were designed specifically
    for
    the job. Hence, the results were never as good as I wanted, which is why
    I
    went the SVG route and produced a custom design tool for it. Generating a
    JPG or other image format from the SVG is trivial, but you do lose that
    scalability.

    I cringe at some of the ones I used to generate. I can now create a tree
    in
    a tiny fraction of the time, and with thumbnail images in them, and
    change
    the layout or H/V orientation in a matter of seconds to produce a
    modified
    image.

    I didn't originally intend to import trees using GEDCOM, but one of the
    users found my design tool so useful he produced a free importer himself.

    Tony



    Unfortunately, when I tried the GEDCOM conversion program I found various problems with larger trees.

    By far the best charting program I found was in the Genbox Family History software. Very flexible and capable of charting hundreds of individuals
    with multiple links. Unfortunately the development stopped for some reason
    in 2012/13 (I believe it was just an individual, William T Flight) and it
    is no longer supported or for sale. You can download and try it for 30
    days (it is possible to get round the startup error in Win7 and later).


    Thanks for the update, John. I didn't write the GEDCOM loader but I know the author would welcome any feedback in that FB group.

    Did you get chance to try the actual tree designer program?

    Tony

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  • From Tony Proctor@21:1/5 to john on Tue May 1 15:47:57 2018
    "john" <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote in message news:pc9oq5$1o3o$1@gioia.aioe.org...


    No, sorry I didn't. I had a look but, to be honest, it seemed too much of
    a task to create a tree for more than a dozen or so people.

    So I looked at the GEDCOM converter. Even though I'd exported a group
    GEDCOM with "top" individuals it didn't recognise the structure and,
    having to go through different family groups to find the top, I didn't succeed there either. To be honest, I only tried a couple of times, both
    of which were failures, so I gave up. But I suspect I was being far too ambitious with a file containing 119 individuals/74 families which I'd exported from TMG.

    Charlie Hoffpauir asked in his original message whether there was any software which would accept a GEDCOM. That is why I use Genbox. It handles large, complex GEDCOM (even with disconnected groups; I've not
    investigated how it handles complex multiple relationship links) and gives
    a chart which is editable within the program and can be printed an saved
    for reloading. Unfortunately the chart format seems to be unique to
    Genbox; I've not found an alternative program to convert or edit the
    output (Genbox creates the chart for the above file in less than a
    second).

    If your SVG Family-Tree Generator had a much easier GEDCOM conversion front-end, I'm sure it would find a much larger audience.



    I'll pass on your feedback, John. Did you try any other GEDCOM export? Each program has its quirks.

    My designer does not have a GEDCOM importer of its own (thus relying on external ones) because I do not use GEDCOM; I use a much more comprehensive proprietary format designed for capturing history rather than lineage.

    The program was initially generated as an aid to visualising lineage in my
    own blog-posts and articles, but I decided to share it for free simply
    because it made the whole thing so much easier than the alternatives I'd
    tried. It then acquired a momentum of its own when I started using to drive applications, and I hope to make full use of those features in my blog when
    I get half a moment of free time :-(

    Tony

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  • From colinsp@gmail.com@21:1/5 to john on Tue May 1 07:26:26 2018
    On Tuesday, 1 May 2018 13:11:33 UTC+2, john wrote:
    On 29/04/2018 00:30, Tony Proctor wrote:
    "Richard Smith" <richard@ex-parrot.com> wrote in message news:fkk1lpFm6hnU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 28/04/18 20:03, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    Thanks for that link.... but Libre Office Draw is probably a lot more
    like Vue than like a word processor. I posted a detailed genealogy
    chart drawn using Libre Office Draw on line a few years ago, but
    unfortunately it's on Rootsweb which for that service, is still
    non-functioning.

    In questions like this, a lot comes down to personal taste, but I
    generally prefer Inkscape over Vue or Libre Office Draw if I want to draw >> a family tree by hand.

    Richard

    I've tried using MS Office, Dia, and some other general-purpose tool I can't
    remember the name of now, Richard, but none were designed specifically for the job. Hence, the results were never as good as I wanted, which is why I went the SVG route and produced a custom design tool for it. Generating a JPG or other image format from the SVG is trivial, but you do lose that scalability.

    I cringe at some of the ones I used to generate. I can now create a tree in a tiny fraction of the time, and with thumbnail images in them, and change the layout or H/V orientation in a matter of seconds to produce a modified image.

    I didn't originally intend to import trees using GEDCOM, but one of the users found my design tool so useful he produced a free importer himself.

    Tony



    Unfortunately, when I tried the GEDCOM conversion program I found
    various problems with larger trees.

    By far the best charting program I found was in the Genbox Family
    History software. Very flexible and capable of charting hundreds of individuals with multiple links. Unfortunately the development stopped
    for some reason in 2012/13 (I believe it was just an individual, William
    T Flight) and it is no longer supported or for sale. You can download
    and try it for 30 days (it is possible to get round the startup error in
    Win7 and later).

    John

    I wrote the converter to work with Tony's programme, if you are having problems with it can you tell me what they were or alternatively let me have your Gedcom and I will see what I can do to help.

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  • From Charlie Hoffpauir@21:1/5 to tony@proctor_NoMore_SPAM.net on Thu May 3 15:17:24 2018
    On Tue, 1 May 2018 11:24:55 +0100, "Tony Proctor" <tony@proctor_NoMore_SPAM.net> wrote:


    "Charlie Hoffpauir" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message >news:oo25edpetld0kukndrbstbu68m6j8qj25i@4ax.com...
    Thanks for that information Tony. I looked at the examples you linked,
    and am very impressed. I think I can use this somehow, maybe not as
    originally intended, but it's so neat!

    Charlie, I see that you're in the FB group, but I've been trying to reach >you, without success, via FB messaging in order to get a copy to you. Can
    you confirm that you've seen this?

    Tony

    Tony,
    Yes, I have seen this. To be honest I haven't looked at Facebook since
    applying to the group (I really don't like using FB and only go there
    when I have a real reason).

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