• Passenger Lists -- Reverse Travel Directions?

    From Madeleine Isenberg madeleine.isenbe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 18:14:52 2019
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    Hi All,

    Most of us researching our families are interested in the arrivals to
    ports such as Ellis Island. We can often find Hamburg Passenger lists
    from when they left Europe and Ellis Island Passenger lists from when
    they arrived.

    My problem is trying to go in the reverse direction to find out when
    someone left from Ellis Island, and probably arrived in Hamburg.

    For me, this is about a great-uncle, a Jacob STEINER, who first left
    Hamburg 24 March and arrived 6 April 1901, then apparently traveled
    back to Poland (via Hamburg), and then returned again to the USA,
    leaving 11 November and arriving 24 November 1905.

    Later, when he prepares a Petition for Naturalization in 30 June 1924,
    he claims to be a widower and have had two children, who were left in
    Poland. At a stretch (born overdue?) one was born 4 January 1902, and
    the other 1 March 1905.

    So I'm trying to find out when he returned to Poland: 1903? 1904?
    Unless I can find some passenger lists as indicated, it is a real
    puzzle.

    On the other hand, this relative has made other mistakes in birth
    years, probably even his own, so there could be mistakes here as well.

    Appreciate any help about this.

    Madeleine Isenberg
    madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com
    Beverly Hills, CA

    Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLUECKSMAN, STOTTER in various
    parts of Galicia, Poland, such as: Nowy Targ, Wachsmund, Dembno,
    Lopuszna, Ochotnica, possibly Krakow, who migrated into Kezmarok or
    nearby Straszky/Nagy-Eor/Nehre, both now in Slovakia.
    GOLDSTEIN in Abaujszina (Sena), Szkaros, Szikso, and Kosice, Slovakia;
    KOHN and GOLDSTEIN in Tolcsva, Hungary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  • From Barbara Ellman ellmanb@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 30 18:12:16 2019
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    Madeleine Isenberg asked about determining when an ancestor returned
    to Europe. As there are no records of those leaving the US in the US,
    I was able to determine the departure year for my great-grandmother
    using her returning manifest.

    In 1897, the manifest for her return voyage had a column "Whether ever
    before in the United State, and if so, when and where". In the case
    of my great-grandmother, 7 years and NY was entered. Knowing when she
    had originally arrived in NY, I could determine that she had been out
    of NY for 3 years and had left the US in 1894.

    As manifests were not standardized until 1906, this column may not
    appear on all manifests, but if may be on the one of your relative
    arriving in the US on his second voyage.
    --
    Barbara Ellman
    Secaucus NJ

    Researching ELLMAN, COIRA in Minkovtsy, Ukraine
    GOLDSTEIN, HIRSCHHORN, BUCHWALD in Dolyna, Ukraine
    KAGLE, FASS in Ulanow, Poland
    HASSMAN, SONENTHALER, DAUERMAN and several others in Drohobycz &
    Boryslaw, Uklraine
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  • From Sally M Bruckheimer sallybruc@yahoo@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 30 18:17:24 2019
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    "So I'm trying to find out when he returned to Poland: 1903? 1904?
    Unless I can find some passenger lists as indicated, it is a real
    puzzle."

    My 2nd g uncle came to the US 3 or 4 times before bringing his family.
    There was not enough 'culture' for him, apparently. I even caught him
    working for my ggrandfather on a census.

    But there are no passenger lists back.

    Sally Bruckheimer
    Princeton, NJ
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