• 1895 Ellis Island record - missing?

    From Alan Shuchat ahs613@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 03:18:18 2019
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    According to Russians to America, a family named Swik arrived at Ellis
    Island from Glasgow on the Furnessia, Sept. 16, 1895. According to the
    Ellis Island database, the family was named Switz. I think a mother
    and 4 children were traveling, but only the children's names appear
    and the surname and first names are mangled. The microfilm records
    seem to be missing. The passenger ID, frame, and line numbers are
    given, but there is no image of the manifest. On FamilySearch, the
    microfilm (M237 Roll 648) has the ship and the date, but not the family
    or, for that matter, any passengers who came from Russia. Are there
    other ways to get the manifest to try to reconstruct the family record?
    Thanks for any suggestions.

    Alan Shuchat
    Newton, MA

    SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
    Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
    VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
    ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
    KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  • From Allan Jordan aejordan@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 07:39:08 2019
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    The Russians to America books were built by reading the passenger
    lists so the passenger list has to exist. In the 1940s (I think I
    have the right decade) the National Archives microfilmed all the
    passenger lists. That is the one and only set of microfilm records
    of the passenger lists.

    All of the databases work from the master negatives which are
    controlled by the National Archives. It is very possible that some
    of the databases misloaded their versions into their databases. The
    indexes you are finding online were also built from the microfilm
    including Ellis Island so if they are in the database that means they
    were found on the passenger list, but of course the index can or will
    be misspellings, bad interpretations, etc.

    You need to check all of the various versions online between Family
    Search, Ellis Island, Ancestry, etc. Some of them you may have to go
    to the library because for example Ancestry is free in libraries or by subscription at home. Don't trust the indexing especially on Ancestry
    you can retrieve the individual ship's pages and read them one by one.

    If all else fails you are going to have to get to the microfilm which
    is harder than it sounds. NARA NYC for example has gone to the
    databases and no longer has the film available. NARA downtown
    Washington DC still has the microfilm. I assume the LDS at least in
    Utah has the film and various other institutions. The NYC Public
    Library had the film but I am not sure what its status is now.

    I would spend time working on the online versions because I think if
    you can get to the pages it is as complete as the microfilm but as
    for missing names, etc. you need to see the page to know why it shows
    that way in the index. There could be blanks, rips, missing sections,
    etc. on the original pages. When you look at the images you will see
    the original paper copies were not in the best of condition which is
    why they were microfilmed in the first place.

    Good luck with the search.

    Allan Jordan

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    From: Alan Shuchat ahs613@gmail.com

    According to Russians to America, a family named Swik arrived at Ellis
    Island from Glasgow on the Furnessia, Sept. 16, 1895. ...The microfilm records seem to be missing.
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  • From news@eternal-september.org news@ete@21:1/5 to Alan Shuchat on Tue Oct 1 19:16:57 2019
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    On 10/1/2019 3:18 AM, Alan Shuchat ahs613@gmail.com wrote:
    Are there other ways to get the manifest to try to reconstruct the
    family record?

    You can browse through the digital images for the roll, without relying
    on an index. On FamilySearch, go to https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704 , then scroll to
    the bottom and click on "Browse through 3,243,589 images". This will
    take you to another page with waypoints.

    Use your browser's find function to locate the link that leads to Roll
    648. There are approx 970 images on this roll; however, since you know
    the ship name and date, you can use the thumbnails & internal indexes to
    find the desired section faster.

    Regards,
    David Oseas

    Researching:
    HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
    KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles SCHECHTER/SCHACHTER: Odessa, Ukraine > New York; SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania
    New York > Los Angeles; STECKER: New York > Florida
    WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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