• Symbol on Letter

    From Ralph N Baer ursusminor@verizon.net@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 06:56:11 2019
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    I have posted a letter in German written using the Hebrew alphabet on viewmate. http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75219
    I am only interested in learning if there is a significance to the symbol to the left of the signature of my great-great-grandmother Babette (looks like Babed)
    Klein .

    I have no need of a translation of the letter because I also have a transcription
    in the German script of about 1900 by her youngest child, my great-grandfather Nathan Baer, which I have no trouble reading.

    As stated in the first sentence, Babette had just learned from her family that she
    had been promised in marriage to the recipient, my great-great-grandfather Lazarus
    Baer. Nathan states with his transcription that his parents had not yet met. The
    letter is not dated, but Nathan dates it as 1821. They did not marry until 1832.

    Thanks to anyone who can help.
    Ralph N. Baer
    Washington, DC
    RalphNBaer@aol.com
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  • From Ralph N Baer ursusminor@verizon.net@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 25 11:16:58 2019
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    Thanks to everyone who responded to my Viewmate submission https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=75219 . I am, of course, interested in any additional interpretations. The consensus of the responses, both on the website and by private e-mail, is that the symbol is
    my great-great-grandmother Babette BAER nee KLEIN's monogram, although there was not agreement as to whether it was in German or Hebrew.

    Babette was born either on 23 October 1805 (data received from the
    Joehlingen Jewish community by my granduncle Max BAER in the 1930s) or 24 October 1806 (the recently published Joehlingen Ortsfamilienbuch). In any
    case, she was in her mid-teens in 1821 when the letter was supposedly
    written. As one of the responders stated, the handwriting does not appear to
    be by someone that young. I had earlier come to the same conclusion.

    Two possibilities crossed my mind. For one, perhaps someone had written it
    for her. More likely, the 1821 date is incorrect, and it was later. As I
    wrote, the letter is undated, and the year 1821 is from the translation or transcription into German script by my great-grandfather Nathan Carl BAER.
    He wrote the 1821 in two parts. 18 was written at the same time as the transcription and 21 later. I suspect that he did not know and asked a
    sibling, most likely his oldest sibling who survived childhood Therese FRANK nee BAER. Both lived in Frankfurt, and she was about ten years older than
    he.

    One more thing which I regard as funny. Babette BAER nee KLEIN was known as Buhle when young. She had two sisters, Breinle and Berle (Bina). All three
    used the German name Babette.

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