I am running out of places to ask this question but German is close to
Dutch.

Could some one provide the English equivalents of the Dutch given names
Heiltje and Hyltje That were given to two girls in the late 1700's in
the Wayne county Pennsylvania area?

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On 02/06/2023 20:33, knuttle wrote:

I am running out of places to ask this question but German is close to
Dutch.

Could some one provide the English equivalents of the Dutch given names Heiltje  and Hyltje That were given to two girls in the late 1700's in
the Wayne county Pennsylvania area?

Both names are derived from Hillegonda so I suspect something close to
that in English. German, English and Dutch really are not that close for
these specific questions (though all Germanic language family).

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On 03/06/2023 01:12, Richard van Schaik wrote:

On 02/06/2023 20:33, knuttle wrote:

I am running out of places to ask this question but German is close to
Dutch.

Could some one provide the English equivalents of the Dutch given
names Heiltje  and Hyltje That were given to two girls in the late
1700's in the Wayne county Pennsylvania area?

Both names are derived from Hillegonda so I suspect something close to
that in English. German, English and Dutch really are not that close for these specific questions (though all Germanic language family).

Search on meertens.knaw.nl (regretfully only partially (starting page)
in English).
Hillegonda -> https://www.meertens.knaw.nl/nvb/verklaring/naam/Hildegonda

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http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/
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Hello Keith,

I am running out of places to ask this question but German is close to
Dutch.

Could some one provide the English equivalents of the Dutch given names Heiltje  and Hyltje That were given to two girls in the late 1700's in
the Wayne county Pennsylvania area?

What places did you try? There may be lots of ones that you haven't
found, like this site:

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/

Also, what is the reason that you ask this? Did you loose track of these
girls, and do you think that you may find more records if you know which
given names you can try?

Can you point us to the information that you have?

For The Netherlands, the obvious newsgroup to try would be soc.genealogy.benelux, but like this one, it is very quiet.

There is also a chance that some Dutch genealogists already have some information about relatives in the US. You can find many on the Dutch

https://www.stamboomforum.nl/

or another site owned by the same person

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/

where the latter has English menu's.

Another resource might be Geneanet,

https://en.geneanet.org/

a European site that is now owned by Ancestry.

Regards,

Enno

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Hello Keith,

I am looking for the Dewitt and Gunsolas families in the  New York/Pennsylvania area in the first half on the 1700's.  In the early
1700's they are in eastern Pennsylvania/New York.  By the mid 1700's
they are in western Pennsylvania in the Pittsburgh area.

OK, thanks. I have no emigrants with those names in my tree, so I can't
give you any specific hints, but I asked, because sometimes it helps to
see the actual given names that you find, to see whether they would be a
match for Heiltje or Hyltje.

Sometimes these name changes can be pretty weird. An example that I have
in my own tree is a French immigrant who used the given name Steven, but
was born and registered as Etienne.

That's why I often ask for some context.

Regards,

Enno

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