https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html and https://fabpedigree.com/s097/f162670.htm have different versions of the ancestry of Jenkin Conway, husband of Mary Herbert and father of Elizabeth Conway Blennerhassett. Which, if either, is thecorrect one?
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html and https://fabpedigree.com/s097/f162670.htm have different versions of the ancestry of Jenkin Conway, husband of Mary Herbert and father of Elizabeth Conway Blennerhassett. Which, if either, is thecorrect one?
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:correct one?
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html and https://fabpedigree.com/s097/f162670.htm have different versions of the ancestry of Jenkin Conway, husband of Mary Herbert and father of Elizabeth Conway Blennerhassett. Which, if either, is the
The "fabpedigree" version can be disposed of quickly. There is a lengthy pedigree of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th series, vol. 13 (1896). Page 44 shows Edward Conwy of Arrow and his son John Conwy of Ragley. Capt.Jenkin Conway is not listed in this pedigree.
https://archive.org/details/sim_archaeologia-cambrensis_1896-01_13_49/page/44/mode/2up
A variation of this supposed linkage is shown in the Stirnet website, where Capt. Jenkin Conway is placed as a brother of John Conwy of Ragley, saying that Jenkin is "probably of this generation". "Probably not", according to the pedigree cited above.
Perhaps the best source to be consulted may the article ""The Conways of Kerry", by "S.J.M.", (cited in the Humphrys website) from the Kerry Archaeological Magazine, vol. 5 no. 22 July 1920. I may be able to get a copy of this via inter-library loan.
BTW J. E. Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families, p. 260 does not address this branch of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan. So Mark Humphrys can rule out this source, which was mentioned on his website.
Also Burke's Extinct Peerages (1883), mentioned on the website, does not address this line.
I have totally re-done the page: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html
to show the new sources. And I found a few more.
It is clear now that Black Jack's claim is that Jenkin Conway of Co.Kerry is the grandson of Piers Conwy, or Peter Conway, Archdeacon of St. Asaph, who died 1532.
We need to see that 1920 article. I cannot find it online, even on JSTOR which has the issues up to 1918.
Will have to look at it in the NLI next time I am in there.
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On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:correct one?
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html and https://fabpedigree.com/s097/f162670.htm have different versions of the ancestry of Jenkin Conway, husband of Mary Herbert and father of Elizabeth Conway Blennerhassett. Which, if either, is the
The "fabpedigree" version can be disposed of quickly. There is a lengthy pedigree of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th series, vol. 13 (1896). Page 44 shows Edward Conwy of Arrow and his son John Conwy of Ragley. Capt.Jenkin Conway is not listed in this pedigree.
https://archive.org/details/sim_archaeologia-cambrensis_1896-01_13_49/page/44/mode/2up
A variation of this supposed linkage is shown in the Stirnet website, where Capt. Jenkin Conway is placed as a brother of John Conwy of Ragley, saying that Jenkin is "probably of this generation". "Probably not", according to the pedigree cited above.
Perhaps the best source to be consulted may the article ""The Conways of Kerry", by "S.J.M.", (cited in the Humphrys website) from the Kerry Archaeological Magazine, vol. 5 no. 22 July 1920. I may be able to get a copy of this via inter-library loan.
BTW J. E. Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families, p. 260 does not address this branch of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan. So Mark Humphrys can rule out this source, which was mentioned on his website.
Also Burke's Extinct Peerages (1883), mentioned on the website, does not address this line.
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 9:28:27 PM UTC-8, John Higgins wrote:correct one?
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html and https://fabpedigree.com/s097/f162670.htm have different versions of the ancestry of Jenkin Conway, husband of Mary Herbert and father of Elizabeth Conway Blennerhassett. Which, if either, is the
Jenkin Conway is not listed in this pedigree.The "fabpedigree" version can be disposed of quickly. There is a lengthy pedigree of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th series, vol. 13 (1896). Page 44 shows Edward Conwy of Arrow and his son John Conwy of Ragley. Capt.
https://archive.org/details/sim_archaeologia-cambrensis_1896-01_13_49/page/44/mode/2up
A variation of this supposed linkage is shown in the Stirnet website, where Capt. Jenkin Conway is placed as a brother of John Conwy of Ragley, saying that Jenkin is "probably of this generation". "Probably not", according to the pedigree cited above.
s Book” on Mark Humphrys’ website, can be largely (although not entirely) corroborated by another source: Peter Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies.Perhaps the best source to be consulted may the article ""The Conways of Kerry", by "S.J.M.", (cited in the Humphrys website) from the Kerry Archaeological Magazine, vol. 5 no. 22 July 1920. I may be able to get a copy of this via inter-library loan.
BTW J. E. Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families, p. 260 does not address this branch of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan. So Mark Humphrys can rule out this source, which was mentioned on his website.
Also Burke's Extinct Peerages (1883), mentioned on the website, does not address this line.After some further research on the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan, I made an interesting - and somewhat surprising – discovery. It appears that the descent of Capt. Jenkin Conway of Killorglin from the Conwys of Bodrhyddan, as shown in “Black Jack’
Mark notes on his website that the pedigree in “Black Jack’s Book” can be found in an 1872 book by Mary Agnes Hickman, Selections from Old Kerry Records. That book is available online her, with the Conway pedigree starting at page 50. https://archive.org/details/selectionsfromol00hick/page/50/mode/1up
The pedigree from the book is as follows (slightly different than what is shown on Mark’s website):had reviewed.
1. Sir Hugh Conway
2. Richard Conway; m. Alice, daughter of Sir Henry Torbock
3. Sir Henry Conway; m. Alice, daughter of Sir Henry Croniker
4. John Conway; m. Jane, daughter of Sir Richard Ratcliffe
5. Jenkin Conway; m. [illegible] daughter of Meredith
6. John Conway; m. Jane Stanley
7. Pierce Conway; m. Jane, daughter of Jenkin son of Llywelyn
8. Henry Conway; m. Grace Dry [sic]
9. Jenkin Conway [of Killorglin]; m. Mary Herbert
The family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan is covered by Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies in a series of tables named Conwy 1 through Conwy 9. The tables can be found on the Genealogics database here (scroll down to see the later tables):
https://www.genealogics.org/showmedia.php?mediaID=17217
The pedigree from Bartrum is as follows (the name of the pertinent table is cited at the end of each line):
1. John ap Richard Conwy; m. Marsli ferch Maredudd [Conwy 1]
2. Jenkin Conwy; m. Elen ferch Sir Henry Torbox [Conwy 1]
3. John “Aer” Conwy; m. (2) Janet ferch Edmund Stanley [Conwy 1]
4. Piers Conwy; m. Jonet ferch Jenkin [Conwy 4]
5. Harry “Yr Aer” Conwy; m. Grace, daughter of Hugh Drihurst [sic] of Denbigh [Conwy 5]
The pedigree then ends with a list of the numerous children of the last couple - including a son Jenkin, who has the notation “Captain”. This is presumably Capt. Jenkin Conway of Killorglin.
Obviously there are some notable differences between the two pedigrees, but they clearly are covering the same descent. FWIW, my guess is that the Bartrum pedigree is the more accurate one, since it's likely based on pedigree manuscripts that Bartrum
Bartrum's pedigrees generally end in the in mid-1500s. Because of that, I haven't been able to determine how exactly Jenkin Conway's wife Mary Herbert fits into the Colebrook family.
A terça-feira, 16 de novembro de 2021 à(s) 01:25:05 UTC, jhigg...@yahoo.com escreveu:the correct one?
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 9:28:27 PM UTC-8, John Higgins wrote:
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html and https://fabpedigree.com/s097/f162670.htm have different versions of the ancestry of Jenkin Conway, husband of Mary Herbert and father of Elizabeth Conway Blennerhassett. Which, if either, is
Capt. Jenkin Conway is not listed in this pedigree.The "fabpedigree" version can be disposed of quickly. There is a lengthy pedigree of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th series, vol. 13 (1896). Page 44 shows Edward Conwy of Arrow and his son John Conwy of Ragley.
above.https://archive.org/details/sim_archaeologia-cambrensis_1896-01_13_49/page/44/mode/2up
A variation of this supposed linkage is shown in the Stirnet website, where Capt. Jenkin Conway is placed as a brother of John Conwy of Ragley, saying that Jenkin is "probably of this generation". "Probably not", according to the pedigree cited
loan.Perhaps the best source to be consulted may the article ""The Conways of Kerry", by "S.J.M.", (cited in the Humphrys website) from the Kerry Archaeological Magazine, vol. 5 no. 22 July 1920. I may be able to get a copy of this via inter-library
s Book” on Mark Humphrys’ website, can be largely (although not entirely) corroborated by another source: Peter Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies.BTW J. E. Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families, p. 260 does not address this branch of the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan. So Mark Humphrys can rule out this source, which was mentioned on his website.
Also Burke's Extinct Peerages (1883), mentioned on the website, does not address this line.After some further research on the family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan, I made an interesting - and somewhat surprising – discovery. It appears that the descent of Capt. Jenkin Conway of Killorglin from the Conwys of Bodrhyddan, as shown in “Black Jack
archive.org/details/selectionsfromol00hick/page/50/mode/1upMark notes on his website that the pedigree in “Black Jack’s Book” can be found in an 1872 book by Mary Agnes Hickman, Selections from Old Kerry Records. That book is available online her, with the Conway pedigree starting at page 50. https://
had reviewed.The pedigree from the book is as follows (slightly different than what is shown on Mark’s website):
1. Sir Hugh Conway
2. Richard Conway; m. Alice, daughter of Sir Henry Torbock
3. Sir Henry Conway; m. Alice, daughter of Sir Henry Croniker
4. John Conway; m. Jane, daughter of Sir Richard Ratcliffe
5. Jenkin Conway; m. [illegible] daughter of Meredith
6. John Conway; m. Jane Stanley
7. Pierce Conway; m. Jane, daughter of Jenkin son of Llywelyn
8. Henry Conway; m. Grace Dry [sic]
9. Jenkin Conway [of Killorglin]; m. Mary Herbert
The family of Conwy of Bodrhyddan is covered by Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies in a series of tables named Conwy 1 through Conwy 9. The tables can be found on the Genealogics database here (scroll down to see the later tables):
https://www.genealogics.org/showmedia.php?mediaID=17217
The pedigree from Bartrum is as follows (the name of the pertinent table is cited at the end of each line):
1. John ap Richard Conwy; m. Marsli ferch Maredudd [Conwy 1]
2. Jenkin Conwy; m. Elen ferch Sir Henry Torbox [Conwy 1]
3. John “Aer” Conwy; m. (2) Janet ferch Edmund Stanley [Conwy 1]
4. Piers Conwy; m. Jonet ferch Jenkin [Conwy 4]
5. Harry “Yr Aer” Conwy; m. Grace, daughter of Hugh Drihurst [sic] of Denbigh [Conwy 5]
The pedigree then ends with a list of the numerous children of the last couple - including a son Jenkin, who has the notation “Captain”. This is presumably Capt. Jenkin Conway of Killorglin.
Obviously there are some notable differences between the two pedigrees, but they clearly are covering the same descent. FWIW, my guess is that the Bartrum pedigree is the more accurate one, since it's likely based on pedigree manuscripts that Bartrum
I was dubious of the pedigree in "Black Jack's Book" because it seemed like a typical pedigree passed down through a family without any support. (In fact, the first half of the pedigree can now be said to be pretty much wrong.) My surprise was that IBartrum's pedigrees generally end in the in mid-1500s. Because of that, I haven't been able to determine how exactly Jenkin Conway's wife Mary Herbert fits into the Colebrook family.Thanks for this, John.
Why did you find it surprising? https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Herbert/sir.william.coldbrook.html has Mary as daughter of a
Sir William Herbert of Coldbrook son or grandson of another Sir William Herbert of Coldbrook.
Anyways, Janet Stanley has a Henry II descent, which is better than Mary Herbert's Henry I descent.
Thanks John.
I made new pages to lay this information out: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/john.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/harry.html
Corrections welcome.
Now I shall have to look at the Herbert line! Maybe you could get me started?
And Paulo, can you show me the Henry II descent for Stanley?
Mark
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Thanks John.
I made new pages to lay this information out: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/john.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/harry.html
Corrections welcome.
Now I shall have to look at the Herbert line! Maybe you could get me started?
And Paulo, can you show me the Henry II descent for Stanley?
Mark
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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:36:44 AM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:
Thanks John.
I made new pages to lay this information out: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/john.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/harry.html
Corrections welcome.
Now I shall have to look at the Herbert line! Maybe you could get me started?
And Paulo, can you show me the Henry II descent for Stanley?
Mark
Stanley family which causes her to lose her Henry II descent. See Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans, p. 342 [2004]. Bartrum has apparently misplaced him by 2 generations. The boyer version of Edmund's ancestry is shown in the--
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Paulo, are you talking about the Janet Stanley of Hooton who married John Conwy "Aer Hên" of Bodrhyddan and is ancestral to Capt. Jenkin Conway of Killorglin? If so, I believe there's an issue about the position of her father Edmund Stanley in the
A quarta-feira, 17 de novembro de 2021 à(s) 05:43:38 UTC, jhigg...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:36:44 AM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:
Thanks John.
I made new pages to lay this information out: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/john.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/harry.html
Corrections welcome.
Now I shall have to look at the Herbert line! Maybe you could get me started?
And Paulo, can you show me the Henry II descent for Stanley?
Mark
Stanley family which causes her to lose her Henry II descent. See Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans, p. 342 [2004]. Bartrum has apparently misplaced him by 2 generations. The boyer version of Edmund's ancestry is shown in the--
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Paulo, are you talking about the Janet Stanley of Hooton who married John Conwy "Aer Hên" of Bodrhyddan and is ancestral to Capt. Jenkin Conway of Killorglin? If so, I believe there's an issue about the position of her father Edmund Stanley in the
Yes, I was refering to her. I was going by her pedigree at fabpedigree, https://fabpedigree.com/s005/f108191.htm.Fabpedigree is even worse than Wikitree, as it has no sources whatsoever.
John, can you make sense of any of the sources in the Bartrum genealogy?
I find his notes incomprehensible.
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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:36:44 AM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:
Thanks John.
I made new pages to lay this information out: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/john.html https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/harry.html
Corrections welcome.
Now I shall have to look at the Herbert line! Maybe you could get me started?
And Paulo, can you show me the Henry II descent for Stanley?
Mark
you off-line, because they're a bit complicated.--There are quite a number of publications that cover the family of Herbert of Colebrook. I'll try to assemble a list for you, hopefully with some on-line links. I'll also chase down the Bartrum tables that cover the family. I'll probably send these to
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Thanks for those Herbert sources. Will take some time to look through.
In the meantime, I found a big stash of Conway of Kerry material in the Kerry Evening Post. See the list here:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/kep.html
I think this is where the theory that Conway of Ireland descends from the Arrow branch comes from.
Will take me some time to read through all of these.
Mark
On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 4:37:17 PM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:later…
Thanks for those Herbert sources. Will take some time to look through.
In the meantime, I found a big stash of Conway of Kerry material in the Kerry Evening Post. See the list here:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/kep.html
I think this is where the theory that Conway of Ireland descends from the Arrow branch comes from.
Will take me some time to read through all of these.
Mark
I’m coming back to this discussion rather belatedly – primarily because, a day or two ago, I received (via interlibrary loan) a copy of the article “The Conways of Kerry” from the 1920 volume of the Kerry Archaeological Magazine. More on that
The list of “Conway Notes in Kerry Evening Post” at https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/kep.html looks quite interesting. But all of the links seem to go to a ”link redirection” page (https://humphrysfamilytree.com/irishnewsarchive.php?href=KEP%2F1897%2F02%2F17&page=3). That page seems to offer two options to get to the pages themselves, but neither option takes you to the articles themselves – unless you have a login id. Can you help with this?
I do note that most of these articles seem to discuss the family of Conway of Clahane [or Cloghane] – not the family of Conway of Killorglin. Unfortunately, that’s also the focus of the 1920 article in the Kerry Archaeological Magazine. It goesinto considerable detail about the different theories as to the origin of the family of Conway of Cloghane - and cites various items from the Kerry Evening Post by “M. A. Hickson” and “A. M. Rowan” which are probably on your list. It goes on at
But the article has no discussion at all regarding the ancestry of Jenkin Conway of Killorglin. It has a short discussion of his descendants, including a couple of Blennerhassett marriages. It also has this rather broad statement on pages 77-78:derive from John Ayr Conway and Janet Stanley of Hooton.”
“There is one point at all events, that all authorities including· the Herald's College, are agreed on, viz. that the Kil1orglin undertaker [i.e., Jenkin Conway], the Conways of Bodrhyddan, the Conways of Cloghane, and the extinct Earls Conway, all
This is broadly true, but it doesn’t help us in determining the origin of Jenkin Conway of Killorgin. For the moment, I’m inclined to bet on the descent I proposed in a post of Nov. 15, based on Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies: that Jenkin Stanleywas a grandson of Piers Conwy, 4th son of John “Ayr Hen” Conwy and Janet Stanley. But that’s just a guess for now….
Mark, if you’d like I can send you a copy of the 1920 article offline via email. Let me know…
On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 4:37:17 PM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:later…
Thanks for those Herbert sources. Will take some time to look through.
In the meantime, I found a big stash of Conway of Kerry material in the Kerry Evening Post. See the list here:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/kep.html
I think this is where the theory that Conway of Ireland descends from the Arrow branch comes from.
Will take me some time to read through all of these.
Mark
I’m coming back to this discussion rather belatedly – primarily because, a day or two ago, I received (via interlibrary loan) a copy of the article “The Conways of Kerry” from the 1920 volume of the Kerry Archaeological Magazine. More on that
The list of “Conway Notes in Kerry Evening Post” at https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/kep.html looks quite interesting. But all of the links seem to go to a ”link redirection” page (https://humphrysfamilytree.com/irishnewsarchive.php?href=KEP%2F1897%2F02%2F17&page=3). That page seems to offer two options to get to the pages themselves, but neither option takes you to the articles themselves – unless you have a login id. Can you help with this?
I do note that most of these articles seem to discuss the family of Conway of Clahane [or Cloghane] – not the family of Conway of Killorglin. Unfortunately, that’s also the focus of the 1920 article in the Kerry Archaeological Magazine. It goesinto considerable detail about the different theories as to the origin of the family of Conway of Cloghane - and cites various items from the Kerry Evening Post by “M. A. Hickson” and “A. M. Rowan” which are probably on your list. It goes on at
But the article has no discussion at all regarding the ancestry of Jenkin Conway of Killorglin. It has a short discussion of his descendants, including a couple of Blennerhassett marriages. It also has this rather broad statement on pages 77-78:derive from John Ayr Conway and Janet Stanley of Hooton.”
“There is one point at all events, that all authorities including· the Herald's College, are agreed on, viz. that the Kil1orglin undertaker [i.e., Jenkin Conway], the Conways of Bodrhyddan, the Conways of Cloghane, and the extinct Earls Conway, all
This is broadly true, but it doesn’t help us in determining the origin of Jenkin Conway of Killorgin. For the moment, I’m inclined to bet on the descent I proposed in a post of Nov. 15, based on Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies: that Jenkin Stanleywas a grandson of Piers Conwy, 4th son of John “Ayr Hen” Conwy and Janet Stanley. But that’s just a guess for now….
Mark, if you’d like I can send you a copy of the 1920 article offline via email. Let me know…
Now on to Herbert.
I looked at the Herbert sources John provided to try to see how Capt. Jenkin Conway's wife could connect to Herbert.
The Blennerhassett entry in Burke's Peerage says Capt. Jenkin Conway's wife Mary Herbert was dau of Sir William Herbert of the Coldbrook branch, but does not give more details.
This may be Sir William Herbert of the Coldbrook branch, Sheriff 1551, died 1579.
However the Herbert pedigrees do not show a dau Mary, or any marriage to Conway.
See my summary of all the evidence here: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Herbert/sir.william.coldbrook.html
I think the link of Conway to Herbert of Coldbrook must be regarded as uncertain.
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Now on to Herbert.
I looked at the Herbert sources John provided to try to see how Capt. Jenkin Conway's wife could connect to Herbert.
The Blennerhassett entry in Burke's Peerage says Capt. Jenkin Conway's wife Mary Herbert was dau of Sir William Herbert of the Coldbrook branch, but does not give more details.
This may be Sir William Herbert of the Coldbrook branch, Sheriff 1551, died 1579.
However the Herbert pedigrees do not show a dau Mary, or any marriage to Conway.
See my summary of all the evidence here: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Herbert/sir.william.coldbrook.html
I think the link of Conway to Herbert of Coldbrook must be regarded as uncertain.
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I wouldn't yet rule out the Conwy pedigree in J. E. Griffith, "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" as an alternative to the Black Jack version. At this point, they seem equally plausible. You mention the Griffith work near the botton ofthis page on your site, with a link to the appropriate pages:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html#bartrum
I have now read all the Kerry Evening Post articles and letters.
I summarise what is in them here: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/kep.html
Most of it is about Conway of Cloghane.
Hickson's convincing conclusion is those Conways come from Dublin, and beyond that is uncertain.
I also looked through the 1920 article, thanks to John.
In this and the KEP, there is no real theory of the origin of the Capt. Jenkin Conway line.
I think the most convincing origin is that of Black Jack, supported by Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies, as John found above.
See my summary of the Capt. Jenkin origin here: https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/harry.html
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of this page on your site, with a link to the appropriate pages:I wouldn't yet rule out the Conwy pedigree in J. E. Griffith, "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" as an alternative to the Black Jack version. At this point, they seem equally plausible. You mention the Griffith work near the botton
I understand that the Griffith pedigree does not extend beyond Peter Conwy the archdeacon and thus does not connect to Capt. Jenkin Conway. But, if you do get past the Jenkin Conway issue, Griffith is a useful source to be compared with the Black Jackhttps://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html#bartrumGriffith has no theory for Capt. Jenkin though.
See pp.260-261.
He shows the line to Peter Conwy, the Archdeacon, but does not show a son Harry.
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