Does anyone know of a detailed pedigree, or article, on the Style family of Langley Park? The chronology suggests that the Mary Berney who was the wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616) would fit as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) named Mary.
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 10:39:04 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) named Mary.
Does anyone know of a detailed pedigree, or article, on the Style family of Langley Park? The chronology suggests that the Mary Berney who was the wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616) would fit as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.
OK, I found the proof that Mary Berney, wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park, was the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife, Margaret Reade.
Brad,Elizabeth Berney's pedigree with her line if I could. Ralph maybe is the father of John Berney of Reedham?
I am very interested in the Berney of Reedham part of your research.
I was working on the children of Sir William Calthorpe and one son, Francis Calthorpe (1468-1544), married an Elizabeth Berney, daughter of Ralph Berney of Reedham. Did you perhaps run across a Ralph Berney of Reedham? I would love to be able to update
Thank you!c.1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) named Mary.
Darrell
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:36:51 AM UTC-5, Brad Verity wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 10:39:04 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
Does anyone know of a detailed pedigree, or article, on the Style family of Langley Park? The chronology suggests that the Mary Berney who was the wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616) would fit as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (
OK, I found the proof that Mary Berney, wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park, was the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife, Margaret Reade.
Hello, I’m currently exploring the ancestry of Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827), the first wife of Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford of Addington Place, Kent (1772-1850), 2nd son of the 3rd Viscount Powerscourt, to trace all Edward I descents for her.Frances can be found in the Genealogics database, here:
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00224441&tree=LEOpossible Edward I descent for her husband the first baronet.
From ‘Record of the Bartholomew Family’ Part 2 (1885) by George Wells Bartholomew, Frances’s paternal ancestor, Leonard Bartholomew (1655-1720) “married Elizabeth, daughter of Humphrey Miller of Oxenhoath, baronet” [p. 640]:
https://archive.org/details/recordofbartholo02bart/page/512/mode/2up
So, Frances (Bartholomew) Wingfield-Stratford has a potential 19-generation descent from Edward I:
Edward I had a dau:
1) Joan of Acre (1272-1307), who had
2) Eleanor de Clare (1292-1337), who had
3) Isabel le Despenser (c.1313-aft.1356), who had
4) Sir Edmund Arundel (1327-1381), who had
5) Philippa Arundel (c.1352-1399), who had
6) Elizabeth Cergeaux (b. c.1371), who had
7) Anne Marney m. Sir Thomas Tyrrell of Heron Hall (c.1411-1476), and had
8) Humphrey Tyrrell of Little Warley Hall (d. 1507) m. 1) Isabel Helion, and had
9) Anne Tyrrell (1474-1534) m. Sir Roger Wentworth of Codham Hall, and had 10) Margaret Wentworth m. 1) John Berney of Reedham (by 1485-1527), and had 11) John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) m. 1) Margaret Reade (d. 1548), and had
12) Mary Berney m. Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616), and had
13) William Style, Heir of Langley Park (d. 1615) m. 1) Anne Eversfield, and had
14) Anne Style m. Sir Nicholas Miller of Oxenhoath (c.1592-1658), and had 15) Sir Humphrey Miller, 1st Baronet of Oxenhoath (c.1635-1709) m. 1) Mary Borlase*, and had
16) Elizabeth Miller (c.1664-1720) m. Leonard Bartholomew of Rochester, and had
17) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (d. 1757) m. Elizabeth Watton, and had
18) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (1728-1810) m. Frances Wildash, and had
19) Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827) m. Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford
*The evidence for Generations 14 and 15 above is in Complete Baronetage Volume 3, p. 125. It should be noted that Mary (Borlase), Lady Miller has two lines of descent from Edward III, one of those thru Cardinal Beaufort. But I’m focusing on this
https://archive.org/details/cu31924092524390/page/n144/mode/2up
Cheers, -----BradBrad briefly notes above that there are two lines of descent from Edward III for Mary Borlase in #14 above. There is also an Edward III descent for Elizabeth Watton in #17 above, as folows;
Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) named Mary.On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:36:51 AM UTC-5, Brad Verity wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 10:39:04 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
Does anyone know of a detailed pedigree, or article, on the Style family of Langley Park? The chronology suggests that the Mary Berney who was the wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616) would fit as the daughter of John Berney of
What is your source for the name of the father of Elizabeth (Berney) Calthorpe?OK, I found the proof that Mary Berney, wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park, was the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife, Margaret Reade.
We know from the will of John Berney of Reedham (d. 1557), that Elizabeth Berney, Ela/Elleyne Berney, and Anne (Berney) Cudon, were all his daughters, and that he had a daughter named Mary. So at some point before 1569 (since Richard Berney mentions "each child of nephew Styles", implying there were at least two by 1571), Mary Berney married Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616).
Brad briefly notes above that there are two lines of descent from Edward III for Mary Borlase in #14 above. There is also an Edward III descent for Elizabeth Watton in #17 above, as folows;
Edward III had a son,
1) John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; m. (3) m. (3) Katherine de Roet
2) Joan Beaufort; m. (2) (his 2nd) Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland
3) Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury; m. Alice Montagu [or Montacute]
4) John Neville, 1st Marquis of Montagu; m. Isabel Ingoldsthorpe
5) Lucy Neville; m. (2) (his 2nd) Sir Anthony Browne
6) Sir Anthony Browne; m. (1) Alice Gage
7) Lucy Browne; m. Thomas Roper of Eltham
8) Martha Roper; m. Thomas Watton of Addington
9) William Watton; m. Elizabeth Simmons [or Symonds]
10) William Watton of Addington; m. Margaret Moreland
11) Edmund Watton; m. Sarah NN
12) Elizabeth Watton; m. (1) Leonard Bartholomew
Thomas Watton of Addington, husband of Martha Roper in #8 above was the son of another Thomas Watton of Addington, who is variously said to have married a sister or daughter of Edmund Sheffield, 1st Baron Sheffield. If his wife was indeed a daughter ofLord Sheffield, she would have two Edward I descents (via Anne de Vere, wife of Lord Sheffield.
The Watton pedigree in the 1619 visitation of Kent (Harleian Society, vol. 42, p. 9) says that Thomas Watton married “Margareta soror Edmundi Baronis Sheffielde". If this is the case, then Thomas Watton's wife does not have Edward I descents.
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 1:36:51 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:each child of nephew Styles", implying there were at least two by 1571), Mary Berney married Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616).
We know from the will of John Berney of Reedham (d. 1557), that Elizabeth Berney, Ela/Elleyne Berney, and Anne (Berney) Cudon, were all his daughters, and that he had a daughter named Mary. So at some point before 1569 (since Richard Berney mentions "
"Edmund Stile" and "Mary Berney" were married 18 September 1559 St Mary Aldermanbury, London. I cannot uncover burial entries for either, but the will (PCC 39 Weldon) of "Edmund Style of Langley in the parish of Beckenham in the county of Kent",written February 1615, proved 22 May 1617, mentions that he wants to be buried in the parish church of Beckenham as close to the tomb of his father Sir Humphrey Style as possible, so we can be certain this is the correct Edmund Style. The will is in
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 11:29:16 AM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:John Symonds of Essex".
Brad briefly notes above that there are two lines of descent from Edward III for Mary Borlase in #14 above. There is also an Edward III descent for Elizabeth Watton in #17 above, as folows;Thank you for this line, John. I've finished entering it into my database. Not only does it give a descent from Edward III for Elizabeth (Watton) (Bartholomew), Lady Twisden of Bradbourne, it also of course gives her a descent from Sir Thomas More.
I'm able to add some dates & details to the line.
Edward III had a son,Martha Roper (buried 10 April 1600 St Margaret Church, Addington, Kent), married by 1590, as his second wife, Thomas Watton of Addington Place (d. 16 September, bur. 17 September 1622 St Margaret Church, Addington).
1) John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; m. (3) m. (3) Katherine de Roet
2) Joan Beaufort; m. (2) (his 2nd) Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland 3) Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury; m. Alice Montagu [or Montacute]
4) John Neville, 1st Marquis of Montagu; m. Isabel Ingoldsthorpe
5) Lucy Neville; m. (2) (his 2nd) Sir Anthony Browne
6) Sir Anthony Browne; m. (1) Alice Gage
7) Lucy Browne; m. Thomas Roper of Eltham
8) Martha Roper; m. Thomas Watton of Addington
9) William Watton; m. Elizabeth Simmons [or Symonds]William Watton of Addington Place (born about 1591 (aged 28 at the 1619 Visitation); d. 28 October, bur. 4 November 1651 St Margaret Church, Addington), married by 1620, Elizabeth Symonds (will dated 30 March 1660, proved 6 November 1661), daughter of "
I've been unable to further identify John Symonds of Essex.St Margaret Church, Addington), dau of Augustine Morland of St Peter's Place, Strood (d. 1644) & Frances Attwood.
10) William Watton of Addington; m. Margaret MorelandWilliam Watton of Addington Place (bap. 20 June 1624 St Margaret Church, Addington; died 1661, bur. St Margaret Church, Addington), married Margaret Morland (bap. 27 March 1623 St Nicholas Church, Strood, Kent; d. 15 September, bur. 20 September 1679
I've not been able to locate a burial entry for William Watton. For the Morlands of Strood, see 'The History of Strood' (1899) by Henry Smetham, who provides a pedigree on p. 190:1695 St Nicholas Church, Rochester, Kent; d. 4 October, bur. 8 October 1730 St Margaret Church, Addington). She married 2ndly, 10 January 1736 St Margaret Church, Addington, Sir Roger Twisden, 5th Baronet of Bradbourne (1705-1772).
https://archive.org/details/historyofstrood00smetiala/page/190/mode/2up
11) Edmund Watton; m. Sarah NNEdmund Watton of Addington Place (bap. 30 May 1652 St Peter & St Paul Church, Leybourne, Kent; bur. 16 April 1717 St Margaret Church, Addington), married 1st, Sarah ---- (bur. 17 December 1707 St Margaret Church, Addington).
I've not been able to further identify Sarah, the first wife of Edmund Watton. He married 2ndly, Anne Miller.
12) Elizabeth Watton; m. (1) Leonard BartholomewElizabeth Watton (born 3 July, bap. 7 July 1703 St Margaret Church, Addington; d. 4 March, bur. 11 March 1775 St James Church, East Malling, Kent), married 1st 31 May 1726 St Katherine Cree, London, Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (bap. 9 May
of Lord Sheffield, she would have two Edward I descents (via Anne de Vere, wife of Lord Sheffield.Thomas Watton of Addington, husband of Martha Roper in #8 above was the son of another Thomas Watton of Addington, who is variously said to have married a sister or daughter of Edmund Sheffield, 1st Baron Sheffield. If his wife was indeed a daughter
would appear to be correct in identifying the mother of Thomas Watton, husband of Martha Roper, as Margaret Sheffield, sister of Edmund, 1st Baron Sheffield. In my database, I've made her the daughter of Sir Robert Sheffield of Butterwick (d. 1531) andThe Watton pedigree in the 1619 visitation of Kent (Harleian Society, vol. 42, p. 9) says that Thomas Watton married “Margareta soror Edmundi Baronis Sheffielde". If this is the case, then Thomas Watton's wife does not have Edward I descents.John, I think chronology can prove that the Sheffield mother of Thomas Watton was the sister, not the daughter, of Edmund, 1st Baron Sheffield.
According to the Wikipedia entry for Henry Donn (d. 1586), a conspirator in the Babington Plot, "The Lord of the Manor [Addington] was Thomas Watton (1547–1622), married to Martha Roper, a great-granddaughter of Sir Thomas More":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Donn
I haven't yet verified the accuracy for the 1547 birthdate of Thomas Watton. But given that he married his first wife, Mary Rutland (d. 1583) on 8 January 1572/3 St Margaret Church, Addington, the birthdate of 1547 seems reasonable.
Edmund, 1st Baron Sheffield (1521-1549) married "by 31 Jan 1537/8", Lady Anne de Vere, so it is chronologically impossible for that couple to be the maternal grandparents of a gentleman born in 1547. Thus, the Watton pedigree in the 1619 Visitation
Thank you again, for your help with this line, and the ancestry of Frances (Bartholomew) Wingfield-Stratford (1775-1827).
Cheers, -----Brad
I've looked at the will of Edmund Style. No wife is mentioned. His brothers Nicholas
and Oliver are mentioned. The executors were Edmund's sons William and Edmund.
Hello, I’m currently exploring the ancestry of Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827), the first wife of Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford of Addington Place, Kent (1772-1850), 2nd son of the 3rd Viscount Powerscourt, to trace all Edward I descents for her.Frances can be found in the Genealogics database, here:
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00224441&tree=LEOpossible Edward I descent for her husband the first baronet.
From ‘Record of the Bartholomew Family’ Part 2 (1885) by George Wells Bartholomew, Frances’s paternal ancestor, Leonard Bartholomew (1655-1720) “married Elizabeth, daughter of Humphrey Miller of Oxenhoath, baronet” [p. 640]:
https://archive.org/details/recordofbartholo02bart/page/512/mode/2up
So, Frances (Bartholomew) Wingfield-Stratford has a potential 19-generation descent from Edward I:
Edward I had a dau:
1) Joan of Acre (1272-1307), who had
2) Eleanor de Clare (1292-1337), who had
3) Isabel le Despenser (c.1313-aft.1356), who had
4) Sir Edmund Arundel (1327-1381), who had
5) Philippa Arundel (c.1352-1399), who had
6) Elizabeth Cergeaux (b. c.1371), who had
7) Anne Marney m. Sir Thomas Tyrrell of Heron Hall (c.1411-1476), and had
8) Humphrey Tyrrell of Little Warley Hall (d. 1507) m. 1) Isabel Helion, and had
9) Anne Tyrrell (1474-1534) m. Sir Roger Wentworth of Codham Hall, and had 10) Margaret Wentworth m. 1) John Berney of Reedham (by 1485-1527), and had 11) John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) m. 1) Margaret Reade (d. 1548), and had
12) Mary Berney m. Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616), and had
13) William Style, Heir of Langley Park (d. 1615) m. 1) Anne Eversfield, and had
14) Anne Style m. Sir Nicholas Miller of Oxenhoath (c.1592-1658), and had 15) Sir Humphrey Miller, 1st Baronet of Oxenhoath (c.1635-1709) m. 1) Mary Borlase*, and had
16) Elizabeth Miller (c.1664-1720) m. Leonard Bartholomew of Rochester, and had
17) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (d. 1757) m. Elizabeth Watton, and had
18) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (1728-1810) m. Frances Wildash, and had
19) Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827) m. Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford
*The evidence for Generations 14 and 15 above is in Complete Baronetage Volume 3, p. 125. It should be noted that Mary (Borlase), Lady Miller has two lines of descent from Edward III, one of those thru Cardinal Beaufort. But I’m focusing on this
https://archive.org/details/cu31924092524390/page/n144/mode/2uphad “five daughters, Mary (wife of Robert Jenney, Esq.), Thomasine (wife of Thomas Osborn, Esq.), Elizabeth, Ursula, and Ela” [p. 297]:
The evidence for Generations 12 thru 14 above is in Betham’s ‘Baronetage’ Volume 1, p. 295, where he says that Edmund Style of Langley “married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, in Norfolk”:
https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/295/mode/2up
The problem with this line of descent lies with this Mary (Berney) Style. This unsourced Wikitree entry has Mary as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham and Margaret Reade:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Berney-17
Generations 1 thru 11 above are well-covered in several published works on royal descent, including Douglas Richardson’s ‘Plantagenet Ancestry’ 2nd Edition (2011). But in that work, Douglas states that John Berney and his 1st wife Margaret Reade
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Plantagenet_Ancestry_A_Study_In_Colonial/kjme027UeagC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john+berney+married+margaret+reade&pg=RA1-PA297&printsec=frontcoverMargaret Reade one daughter, “Mary ux. Will. Denny of Heringfleet in co. Suff., esq.”:
One of Douglas’s sources for his entry on John Berney is the Barney pedigree in ‘The Visitations of Norfolk, 1563, 1589 and 1613’ edited by Walter Rye (Harleian Society Volume 32 (1891)), pp. 16-17. But that pedigree only gives John Berney and
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/16/mode/2upSydnor of Blundeston, Esq. Mary, of Robert Jenney of Herringfleet; and the youngest of --- Cuddon of Shadingfield, all in Suffolk”:
Another of Douglas’s sources is William Betham’s Baronetage Vol. 1 (1801), p. 182, where Betham states that John Berney and Margaret Reade had four daughters, “Thomasine, the wife of Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Esq. another, the wife of –
https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/182/mode/2upFrancis Jenny and Margaret his wife. Robert Jenny married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, and died in 1559, when the manor passed to his son and heir, John Jenny”:
So we now have Mary Berney, daughter of John Berney of Reedham and Margaret Reade, with three potential husbands:
1) Edmund Style of Langley Hall, parish of Beckenham, Kent – per William Betham in 1801 (though to be fair he doesn’t state which John Berney of Reedham was Edmund Style’s father-in-law).
2) Robert Jenney of Herringfleet, Suffolk – again per William Betham in 1801
3) William Denny of Herringfleet, Suffolk – per a pedigree edited by Walter Rye in 1891
Per the Jenney of Herringfleet pedigree in the 1561 Visitation of Suffolk, “Robert Jenney of Herringfleet, Gent., son and heir to Richard, mar. Marye, da. to John Barney of Reedham, co. Norf., Esq., and by her had issue…” [p. 46]:
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofsuf00harvuoft/page/46/mode/2up
Per Walter Coppinger’s ‘The Manors of Suffolk’ Volume 5 (19), sub ‘Manor of Loudham and Titsall’s Herringfleet’, p. 46, “At all events, this Robert [Jenny] had the manor, and we find that in 1542 he and Mary his wife levied a fine against
https://archive.org/details/manorsofsuffolkn05copiuoft/page/46/mode/2upturns out John Berney was actually born about 1510 (aged 18 in 1528), but that still doesn’t work chronologically.
So Robert Jenny of Loudham in Herringfleet and Mary Berney were married by 1542. But the John Berney of Reedham who married Margaret Reade was “born about 1518 (aged 18 in 1536)”, per Douglas Richardson. That doesn’t work chronologically. It
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/h8_5r8pMg7A/m/P0BWF4Nn_8oJNorfolk. After Jenney’s death Mary married Henry Brampton, of Fritton…”:
Joan Corder’s edition of ‘The Visitation of Suffolk 1561’ Part 2 (Harleian Society New Series Volume 3 (1984)), p. 341, has Robert Jenney of Titsall’s manor in Herringfleet died 1559 “Married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, co.
https://books.google.com/books?newbks=0&id=2Xc0SkVQAycC&dq=robert+jenney+of+herringfleet&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=reedhamBerney of Reedham and Margaret Wentworth, and the sister of the John Berney of Reedham who married Margaret Reade:
One of the sources cited by Corder is the Barney pedigree in the Visitation of London 1568, and it is this pedigree which solves the chronological dilemma. “Mary 1 da. maried to Robert Jenney after to – Brampton” was actually the daughter of John
https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond00cook/page/58/mode/2up1891 Visitation of Norfolk volume, where she is married to William Denny. In that same volume, Walter Rye has a Denny pedigree in which “William Denny, esqr, 2nd son [of Sir Robert Denny and Frances Tresham] = Mary da. of Jo. Berney of Reedham in co.
With Mary Berney, wife of Robert Jenney (d. 1559) now moved a generation back, that leaves the possibility that John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade had their own daughter Mary Berney, as in the Barney pedigree in the
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/102/mode/2upan apparently later hand. This gives as wife to Robert Denny ‘Frances, dau. Trigham [or Tresham], Esq., of co. Northants,’ and makes him have a second son William, who, by a Barney of Reedham, Norfolk, had Thomas and Syndrack Denny, who left numerous
However, a query by Rev. H.L.L. Denny to ‘Notes and Queries’ in 1905 casts into doubt the accuracy of the 1891 Denny pedigree by Walter Rye [pp 249-250]: “But to the original MS. of the Visitation an addition has been made, in a different ink, by
https://books.google.com/books?id=S92ddIdH3UIC&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249&dq=Sir+Robert+Denny+married+Frances+Tresham&source=bl&ots=cS41V1cr_i&sig=ACfU3U13GBmpIYO7gugbsDvWetO4sCpLBg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNgca9hYj0AhXRwJ4KHW8kDd8Q6AF6BAgPEAM#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Robert%20Denny%20married%20Frances%20Tresham&f=false
John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) did have a daughter named Mary, who, along with her sisters Thomasine, Elizabeth, Ursula and Ela, was under age 18 and not yet married when he wrote his will (dated 30 January 1554), “daughter Mary Berney - aflower of gold with diamonds, which was her mother's … my said daughters Mary, Thomasyne, Elizabeth, Ursula & Ele - 100 marks each at age 18 or day of marriage, with remainder to my son Henry Berney; my daughters to marry with the consent of my mother,
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/o/l/Andrew-N-BOLS/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0110.html1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) named Mary.
Does anyone know of a detailed pedigree, or article, on the Style family of Langley Park? The chronology suggests that the Mary Berney who was the wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616) would fit as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.
Cheers, -----Brad
Hello, I’m currently exploring the ancestry of Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827), the first wife of Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford of Addington Place, Kent (1772-1850), 2nd son of the 3rd Viscount Powerscourt, to trace all Edward I descents for her.Frances can be found in the Genealogics database, here:
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00224441&tree=LEOpossible Edward I descent for her husband the first baronet.
From ‘Record of the Bartholomew Family’ Part 2 (1885) by George Wells Bartholomew, Frances’s paternal ancestor, Leonard Bartholomew (1655-1720) “married Elizabeth, daughter of Humphrey Miller of Oxenhoath, baronet” [p. 640]:
https://archive.org/details/recordofbartholo02bart/page/512/mode/2up
So, Frances (Bartholomew) Wingfield-Stratford has a potential 19-generation descent from Edward I:
Edward I had a dau:
1) Joan of Acre (1272-1307), who had
2) Eleanor de Clare (1292-1337), who had
3) Isabel le Despenser (c.1313-aft.1356), who had
4) Sir Edmund Arundel (1327-1381), who had
5) Philippa Arundel (c.1352-1399), who had
6) Elizabeth Cergeaux (b. c.1371), who had
7) Anne Marney m. Sir Thomas Tyrrell of Heron Hall (c.1411-1476), and had
8) Humphrey Tyrrell of Little Warley Hall (d. 1507) m. 1) Isabel Helion, and had
9) Anne Tyrrell (1474-1534) m. Sir Roger Wentworth of Codham Hall, and had 10) Margaret Wentworth m. 1) John Berney of Reedham (by 1485-1527), and had 11) John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) m. 1) Margaret Reade (d. 1548), and had
12) Mary Berney m. Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616), and had
13) William Style, Heir of Langley Park (d. 1615) m. 1) Anne Eversfield, and had
14) Anne Style m. Sir Nicholas Miller of Oxenhoath (c.1592-1658), and had 15) Sir Humphrey Miller, 1st Baronet of Oxenhoath (c.1635-1709) m. 1) Mary Borlase*, and had
16) Elizabeth Miller (c.1664-1720) m. Leonard Bartholomew of Rochester, and had
17) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (d. 1757) m. Elizabeth Watton, and had
18) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (1728-1810) m. Frances Wildash, and had
19) Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827) m. Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford
*The evidence for Generations 14 and 15 above is in Complete Baronetage Volume 3, p. 125. It should be noted that Mary (Borlase), Lady Miller has two lines of descent from Edward III, one of those thru Cardinal Beaufort. But I’m focusing on this
https://archive.org/details/cu31924092524390/page/n144/mode/2uphad “five daughters, Mary (wife of Robert Jenney, Esq.), Thomasine (wife of Thomas Osborn, Esq.), Elizabeth, Ursula, and Ela” [p. 297]:
The evidence for Generations 12 thru 14 above is in Betham’s ‘Baronetage’ Volume 1, p. 295, where he says that Edmund Style of Langley “married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, in Norfolk”:
https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/295/mode/2up
The problem with this line of descent lies with this Mary (Berney) Style. This unsourced Wikitree entry has Mary as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham and Margaret Reade:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Berney-17
Generations 1 thru 11 above are well-covered in several published works on royal descent, including Douglas Richardson’s ‘Plantagenet Ancestry’ 2nd Edition (2011). But in that work, Douglas states that John Berney and his 1st wife Margaret Reade
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Plantagenet_Ancestry_A_Study_In_Colonial/kjme027UeagC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john+berney+married+margaret+reade&pg=RA1-PA297&printsec=frontcoverMargaret Reade one daughter, “Mary ux. Will. Denny of Heringfleet in co. Suff., esq.”:
One of Douglas’s sources for his entry on John Berney is the Barney pedigree in ‘The Visitations of Norfolk, 1563, 1589 and 1613’ edited by Walter Rye (Harleian Society Volume 32 (1891)), pp. 16-17. But that pedigree only gives John Berney and
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/16/mode/2upSydnor of Blundeston, Esq. Mary, of Robert Jenney of Herringfleet; and the youngest of --- Cuddon of Shadingfield, all in Suffolk”:
Another of Douglas’s sources is William Betham’s Baronetage Vol. 1 (1801), p. 182, where Betham states that John Berney and Margaret Reade had four daughters, “Thomasine, the wife of Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Esq. another, the wife of –
https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/182/mode/2upFrancis Jenny and Margaret his wife. Robert Jenny married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, and died in 1559, when the manor passed to his son and heir, John Jenny”:
So we now have Mary Berney, daughter of John Berney of Reedham and Margaret Reade, with three potential husbands:
1) Edmund Style of Langley Hall, parish of Beckenham, Kent – per William Betham in 1801 (though to be fair he doesn’t state which John Berney of Reedham was Edmund Style’s father-in-law).
2) Robert Jenney of Herringfleet, Suffolk – again per William Betham in 1801
3) William Denny of Herringfleet, Suffolk – per a pedigree edited by Walter Rye in 1891
Per the Jenney of Herringfleet pedigree in the 1561 Visitation of Suffolk, “Robert Jenney of Herringfleet, Gent., son and heir to Richard, mar. Marye, da. to John Barney of Reedham, co. Norf., Esq., and by her had issue…” [p. 46]:
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofsuf00harvuoft/page/46/mode/2up
Per Walter Coppinger’s ‘The Manors of Suffolk’ Volume 5 (19), sub ‘Manor of Loudham and Titsall’s Herringfleet’, p. 46, “At all events, this Robert [Jenny] had the manor, and we find that in 1542 he and Mary his wife levied a fine against
https://archive.org/details/manorsofsuffolkn05copiuoft/page/46/mode/2upturns out John Berney was actually born about 1510 (aged 18 in 1528), but that still doesn’t work chronologically.
So Robert Jenny of Loudham in Herringfleet and Mary Berney were married by 1542. But the John Berney of Reedham who married Margaret Reade was “born about 1518 (aged 18 in 1536)”, per Douglas Richardson. That doesn’t work chronologically. It
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/h8_5r8pMg7A/m/P0BWF4Nn_8oJNorfolk. After Jenney’s death Mary married Henry Brampton, of Fritton…”:
Joan Corder’s edition of ‘The Visitation of Suffolk 1561’ Part 2 (Harleian Society New Series Volume 3 (1984)), p. 341, has Robert Jenney of Titsall’s manor in Herringfleet died 1559 “Married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, co.
https://books.google.com/books?newbks=0&id=2Xc0SkVQAycC&dq=robert+jenney+of+herringfleet&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=reedhamBerney of Reedham and Margaret Wentworth, and the sister of the John Berney of Reedham who married Margaret Reade:
One of the sources cited by Corder is the Barney pedigree in the Visitation of London 1568, and it is this pedigree which solves the chronological dilemma. “Mary 1 da. maried to Robert Jenney after to – Brampton” was actually the daughter of John
https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond00cook/page/58/mode/2up1891 Visitation of Norfolk volume, where she is married to William Denny. In that same volume, Walter Rye has a Denny pedigree in which “William Denny, esqr, 2nd son [of Sir Robert Denny and Frances Tresham] = Mary da. of Jo. Berney of Reedham in co.
With Mary Berney, wife of Robert Jenney (d. 1559) now moved a generation back, that leaves the possibility that John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade had their own daughter Mary Berney, as in the Barney pedigree in the
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/102/mode/2upan apparently later hand. This gives as wife to Robert Denny ‘Frances, dau. Trigham [or Tresham], Esq., of co. Northants,’ and makes him have a second son William, who, by a Barney of Reedham, Norfolk, had Thomas and Syndrack Denny, who left numerous
However, a query by Rev. H.L.L. Denny to ‘Notes and Queries’ in 1905 casts into doubt the accuracy of the 1891 Denny pedigree by Walter Rye [pp 249-250]: “But to the original MS. of the Visitation an addition has been made, in a different ink, by
https://books.google.com/books?id=S92ddIdH3UIC&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249&dq=Sir+Robert+Denny+married+Frances+Tresham&source=bl&ots=cS41V1cr_i&sig=ACfU3U13GBmpIYO7gugbsDvWetO4sCpLBg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNgca9hYj0AhXRwJ4KHW8kDd8Q6AF6BAgPEAM#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Robert%20Denny%20married%20Frances%20Tresham&f=false
John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) did have a daughter named Mary, who, along with her sisters Thomasine, Elizabeth, Ursula and Ela, was under age 18 and not yet married when he wrote his will (dated 30 January 1554), “daughter Mary Berney - aflower of gold with diamonds, which was her mother's … my said daughters Mary, Thomasyne, Elizabeth, Ursula & Ele - 100 marks each at age 18 or day of marriage, with remainder to my son Henry Berney; my daughters to marry with the consent of my mother,
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/o/l/Andrew-N-BOLS/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0110.html1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) named Mary.
Does anyone know of a detailed pedigree, or article, on the Style family of Langley Park? The chronology suggests that the Mary Berney who was the wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616) would fit as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.
Cheers, -----Brad
Once again this line is in my sights! This time it looks like it is my ancestry, and I had no idea.
Did Douglas ever confirm that this was correct or incorrect? Thank you!
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Thomasine Berney, daughter of John Berney and Margaret Read and wife of Thomas Osborn/Osborne
Sources:
"five daughters, Mary (wife of Robert Jenney, Esq.), Thomasine (wife of Thomas Osborn, Esq.), Elizabeth, Ursula, and Ela"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Plantagenet_Ancestry_A_Study_In_Colonial/kjme027UeagC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Berney%20Osborn
"John Berney, who first married Margaret, daughter of William Reade of Beccles, in Suffolk ... He died in 1557, having issue Thomasine, the wife of Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Esq."
https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/182/mode/1up
"Thomas Osborne=Thomazin, da. to John Barney in Com. Norf., [daughter] Elizabeth ux. Owen Sheppard of Kirkby."
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/210/mode/1up?
Owen Sheppard was the father of Thomasine Sheppard, who married William Barnes of East Winch, Norfolk.
Brad I note that you have "ca 1510" for John Berney (or Barney) of Reedham However we know that he was "aged 18" in 1532
On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 7:00:32 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:Robert Osborne of Kirby Bedon (d. 1572) & Mary Bendish, and had one daughter:
Once again this line is in my sights! This time it looks like it is my ancestry, and I had no idea.That's great, Darrell - I'm glad the post is of use to your research!
Did Douglas ever confirm that this was correct or incorrect? Thank you!No, Douglas hasn't commented.
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Thomasine Berney, daughter of John Berney and Margaret Read and wife of Thomas Osborn/Osborne
Sources:
"five daughters, Mary (wife of Robert Jenney, Esq.), Thomasine (wife of Thomas Osborn, Esq.), Elizabeth, Ursula, and Ela"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Plantagenet_Ancestry_A_Study_In_Colonial/kjme027UeagC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Berney%20Osborn
"John Berney, who first married Margaret, daughter of William Reade of Beccles, in Suffolk ... He died in 1557, having issue Thomasine, the wife of Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Esq."
https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/182/mode/1up
"Thomas Osborne=Thomazin, da. to John Barney in Com. Norf., [daughter] Elizabeth ux. Owen Sheppard of Kirkby."
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/210/mode/1up?
Owen Sheppard was the father of Thomasine Sheppard, who married William Barnes of East Winch, Norfolk.Yes, this is correct - Thomasine (Sheppard) Barnes is descended from Edward I through her mother.
I was able to locate a few dates:
THOMASINE BERNEY, dau of John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557, descended from Edward I) & his 1st wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) married, as his 1st wife, Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Norfolk (bur. 28 July 1616 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon), son of
ELIZABETH OSBORNE, bur. 21 Oct. 1630 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon; married 28 April 1590 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon, Owen Sheppard of Kirby Bedon (bur. 19 July 1629 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon).
Hope this helps.
Cheers, ----Brad
On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 7:00:32 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:Robert Osborne of Kirby Bedon (d. 1572) & Mary Bendish, and had one daughter:
Once again this line is in my sights! This time it looks like it is my ancestry, and I had no idea.That's great, Darrell - I'm glad the post is of use to your research!
Did Douglas ever confirm that this was correct or incorrect? Thank you!No, Douglas hasn't commented.
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Thomasine Berney, daughter of John Berney and Margaret Read and wife of Thomas Osborn/Osborne
Sources:
"five daughters, Mary (wife of Robert Jenney, Esq.), Thomasine (wife of Thomas Osborn, Esq.), Elizabeth, Ursula, and Ela"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Plantagenet_Ancestry_A_Study_In_Colonial/kjme027UeagC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Berney%20Osborn
"John Berney, who first married Margaret, daughter of William Reade of Beccles, in Suffolk ... He died in 1557, having issue Thomasine, the wife of Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Esq."
https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/182/mode/1up
"Thomas Osborne=Thomazin, da. to John Barney in Com. Norf., [daughter] Elizabeth ux. Owen Sheppard of Kirkby."
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/210/mode/1up?
Owen Sheppard was the father of Thomasine Sheppard, who married William Barnes of East Winch, Norfolk.Yes, this is correct - Thomasine (Sheppard) Barnes is descended from Edward I through her mother.
I was able to locate a few dates:
THOMASINE BERNEY, dau of John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557, descended from Edward I) & his 1st wife Margaret Reade (d. 1548) married, as his 1st wife, Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Norfolk (bur. 28 July 1616 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon), son of
ELIZABETH OSBORNE, bur. 21 Oct. 1630 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon; married 28 April 1590 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon, Owen Sheppard of Kirby Bedon (bur. 19 July 1629 St Andrew Church, Kirby Bedon).
Hope this helps.
Cheers, ----Brad
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