• Gateway Ancestor Agnes Harris

    From ninimimi3116@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 25 14:03:05 2021
    First of all, thank you for all your posts about gateway ancestors. I have found great information on the ones I have researched for immediate family members: Governor Thomas Dudley, Robert Abell, Peter Bulkeley and his two wives, Edward Raynesford,
    and now Agnes Harris. This is the line from RA from Alice of Normandy to Agnes Harris and I hope they are still accurate:

    Alice of Normandy=Lambert
    Judith of Lens=Earl Waltheof
    Alice of Northumberland=Ralph de Tony
    Roger de Tony=Ida of Hainault
    Godehilde de Tony=William de Mohun
    Reynold de Mohun=Alice Briwerre
    Reynold de Mohun=Hawise Fitz Geoffrey
    Alice de Mohun=Robert de Beauchamp
    Humphrey de Beauchamp=Sibyl Oliver
    John de Beauchamp=Margaret de Whalesborough
    Elizabeth Beauchamp=William Fortescue
    William Fortescue=Maud or Mabel Falwell
    John Fortescue=Joan Prutteston
    Joan or Jane Fortescue=Thomas Hext
    Thomas Hext=Wilmot Poyntz
    Margery Hext=John Collamore
    Henry Collamore=Margaret Blight
    Elizabeth Collamore=Bartholomew Harris
    Agnes Harris=William Spencer

    Here is the line from Hugh Capet to Agnes Harris:

    Hugh Capet, King of France=Adelaide of Poitou
    Edith of France=Rainier IV, Count of Hainault
    Alice of Roucy=Hildouin IV, Count of Montdidier
    Adeliza (Alice) of Clermont=Gilbert de Clare
    Richard de Clare=Adeliza de Meschines (Alice of Chester?)
    Roger de Clare, 2nd Earl of Hertford=Maud de St. Hilaire (Maud de St. Hilary?) Aveline de Clare=Geoffrey FitzPiers, Earl of Essex?
    Hawise FitzGeoffrey=

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  • From Peter Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 26 10:01:46 2021
    On 26-Oct-21 8:03 AM, ninimimi3116 wrote:
    First of all, thank you for all your posts about gateway ancestors. I have found great information on the ones I have researched for immediate family members: Governor Thomas Dudley, Robert Abell, Peter Bulkeley and his two wives, Edward Raynesford,
    and now Agnes Harris. This is the line from RA from Alice of Normandy to Agnes Harris and I hope they are still accurate:

    Alice of Normandy=Lambert
    Judith of Lens=Earl Waltheof
    Alice of Northumberland=Ralph de Tony
    Roger de Tony=Ida of Hainault
    Godehilde de Tony=William de Mohun
    Reynold de Mohun=Alice Briwerre
    Reynold de Mohun=Hawise Fitz Geoffrey
    Alice de Mohun=Robert de Beauchamp
    Humphrey de Beauchamp=Sibyl Oliver
    John de Beauchamp=Margaret de Whalesborough
    Elizabeth Beauchamp=William Fortescue
    William Fortescue=Maud or Mabel Falwell
    John Fortescue=Joan Prutteston
    Joan or Jane Fortescue=Thomas Hext
    Thomas Hext=Wilmot Poyntz
    Margery Hext=John Collamore
    Henry Collamore=Margaret Blight
    Elizabeth Collamore=Bartholomew Harris
    Agnes Harris=William Spencer

    Here is the line from Hugh Capet to Agnes Harris:

    Hugh Capet, King of France=Adelaide of Poitou
    Edith of France=Rainier IV, Count of Hainault
    Alice of Roucy=Hildouin IV, Count of Montdidier
    Adeliza (Alice) of Clermont=Gilbert de Clare
    Richard de Clare=Adeliza de Meschines (Alice of Chester?)
    Roger de Clare, 2nd Earl of Hertford=Maud de St. Hilaire (Maud de St. Hilary?)
    Aveline de Clare=Geoffrey FitzPiers, Earl of Essex?
    Hawise FitzGeoffrey=

    There are several inaccuracies in the second line here:

    Hugh Capet's daughter who married the count of Hainaut was named Hadwig
    (after her paternal grandmother), not Edith.

    Alice of Roucy was her granddaughter, not daughter - the missing
    generation is:
    Beatrix of Hainault=Ebles I, Count of Roucy

    Adeliza (Alice) of Clermont was granddaughter, not daughter, of Alice -
    the missing generation is:
    Margaret of Montdidier=Hugh, Seigneur of Clermont

    Also you can find a thread or two in the archive about Hawise FitzGeoffrey.

    Peter Stewart

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