"The place of my nativity is Killidy, in Ireland, in the county of Limerick, where I was born
the 29th of September, 1678. My father was Peter de Lacy, son of John de Lacy, of the
family of Balmgary [sic] Lacy in the said county of Limerick. My mother was Mary de
Courtney, daughter of Thomas de Courtney, and of Catharine Nagle".
The 24 August 1740 Austrian confirmation of nobility for the field-marshal agrees that
"[m]aternam vero Courteneorum stirpem inclytae nobilitatis fama in Anglia eminere" and
the slightly later pedigree registered by his son gives his mother as “Maria de Courtenay
aus Frankreich”. The implication, I assume, is that his maternal grandfather, Thomas
Courtney or Courtenay, was a cadet member of the family of the Earls of Devon.
But how? The only man who seems to fit the bill in Ireland is Thomas Courtney of Castleblagh,
co. Cork (plausibly proximate to Killeedy and Ballingary), who fl. 1675-1685 [2] and the names
of his descendants certainly echo those of the Devon family, but I can find nothing relative to
his ancestry. I'd be grateful for any thoughts on this or, indeed, for any suggestions concerning
the possible origin of his wife, Catherine Nagle.
On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 1:16:52 PM UTC-7, kelsey.jack...@googlemail.com wrote:
"The place of my nativity is Killidy, in Ireland, in the county of Limerick, where I was born
the 29th of September, 1678. My father was Peter de Lacy, son of John de Lacy, of the
family of Balmgary [sic] Lacy in the said county of Limerick. My mother was Mary de
Courtney, daughter of Thomas de Courtney, and of Catharine Nagle".
The 24 August 1740 Austrian confirmation of nobility for the field-marshal agrees that
"[m]aternam vero Courteneorum stirpem inclytae nobilitatis fama in Anglia eminere" and
the slightly later pedigree registered by his son gives his mother as “Maria de Courtenay
aus Frankreich”. The implication, I assume, is that his maternal grandfather, Thomas
Courtney or Courtenay, was a cadet member of the family of the Earls of Devon.
But how? The only man who seems to fit the bill in Ireland is Thomas Courtney of Castleblagh,Is there any particular reason you are looking in Ireland for a man whose daughter is described as 'of France' and whose wife has a typically-German surname?
co. Cork (plausibly proximate to Killeedy and Ballingary), who fl. 1675-1685 [2] and the names
of his descendants certainly echo those of the Devon family, but I can find nothing relative to
his ancestry. I'd be grateful for any thoughts on this or, indeed, for any suggestions concerning
the possible origin of his wife, Catherine Nagle.
taf
3) I take the claims of English (in the 1740 confirmation) and French (in the Vienna pedigree) origin to be variations on the well-known origins of the Courtenays of Powderham, sometime earls of Devon. This is, I think, the weakest argument here,
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 5:29:21 AM UTC-7, kelsey.jack...@googlemail.com wrote:
3) I take the claims of English (in the 1740 confirmation) and French (in the Vienna pedigree) origin to be variations on the well-known origins of the Courtenays of Powderham, sometime earls of Devon. This is, I think, the weakest argument here,
It seems unlikely to me that Mary would be called "from France" were this a reference to where the family came from 600 years earlier. Indeed, I would place this as the third best explanation, behind outright error/falsehood.
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