I have a problem with the Grandpre line with two individuals:dead comte de Grand-Pre noted in the dead. It just makes no sense.
1. EDOUARD [I] de Grandpré, son of JEAN [II] Comte de Grandpré & his [second] wife Catherine de Châtillon (-before 31 Aug 1396). Comte de Grandpré.
a. Son JEAN [III] de Grandpré (-after 15 Sep 1415). Comte de Grandpré.
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#EdouardGrandpredied1396
I have seen several histories of the Battle of Agincourt which names the "comte de Grand-Pre" as one of the dead, and some name Edouard, Comte de Grandpre as that man, but FMG has him as dead before 31 Aug 1396. If this is true, then Jean should be the
DarrellNevers, frère audit duc de Bourgogne; messire Robert, comte de Marle; le comte de Vaudemont, Jean, frère au duc de Bar; le comte de Blamont ; le comte de Grand-Pré ; le comte de Roussy, le comte de Fauquembergue ; messire Louis de Bourbon, fils au
Examples:
"Edouard II, comte de Grand-Pré, de la maison de Porcien"
https://books.google.com/books?id=nqWF1DFzhdgC&pg=PA57#v=onepage&q&f=false
"S'ensuivent les noms des seigneurs et gentils hommes qui moururent à ladite bataille de la partie des François. ... Les princes : le duc Antoine de Brabant, frère au duc Jean de Bourgogne ; le duc Edouard de Bar, le duc d'Alençon, le comte de
http://www.blamont.info/textes309.htmlVaudémont) and one viscount (Pulsaye, younger brother of the duke of Bar), which is suggestive."
"The main reason the lists of French dead are incomplete is that they were simply so numerous. The final toll included three dukes (Alençon, Bar and Brabant), at least eight counts (Blamont, Fauquembergue, Grandpré, Marle, Nevers, Roucy, Vaucourt and
https://erenow.net/ww/agincourt-henry-v/16.php
On 25-Apr-23 3:42 AM, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:the dead comte de Grand-Pre noted in the dead. It just makes no sense.
I have a problem with the Grandpre line with two individuals:
1. EDOUARD [I] de Grandpré, son of JEAN [II] Comte de Grandpré & his [second] wife Catherine de Châtillon (-before 31 Aug 1396). Comte de Grandpré.
a. Son JEAN [III] de Grandpré (-after 15 Sep 1415). Comte de Grandpré.
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#EdouardGrandpredied1396
I have seen several histories of the Battle of Agincourt which names the "comte de Grand-Pre" as one of the dead, and some name Edouard, Comte de Grandpre as that man, but FMG has him as dead before 31 Aug 1396. If this is true, then Jean should be
Nevers, frère audit duc de Bourgogne; messire Robert, comte de Marle; le comte de Vaudemont, Jean, frère au duc de Bar; le comte de Blamont ; le comte de Grand-Pré ; le comte de Roussy, le comte de Fauquembergue ; messire Louis de Bourbon, fils auDarrell
Examples:
"Edouard II, comte de Grand-Pré, de la maison de Porcien"
https://books.google.com/books?id=nqWF1DFzhdgC&pg=PA57#v=onepage&q&f=false
"S'ensuivent les noms des seigneurs et gentils hommes qui moururent à ladite bataille de la partie des François. ... Les princes : le duc Antoine de Brabant, frère au duc Jean de Bourgogne ; le duc Edouard de Bar, le duc d'Alençon, le comte de
and Vaudémont) and one viscount (Pulsaye, younger brother of the duke of Bar), which is suggestive."http://www.blamont.info/textes309.html
"The main reason the lists of French dead are incomplete is that they were simply so numerous. The final toll included three dukes (Alençon, Bar and Brabant), at least eight counts (Blamont, Fauquembergue, Grandpré, Marle, Nevers, Roucy, Vaucourt
https://erenow.net/ww/agincourt-henry-v/16.phpThe count killed at Agincourt was Jean, whose last extant document is a confirmation for Saint-Médard priory dated 15 September 1415. His only
son, Louis, lived until the 1440s and his father Edouard I was dead
before Jean's step-mother had remarried by 1396.
Peter Stewart
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On 25-Apr-23 3:42 AM, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:the dead comte de Grand-Pre noted in the dead. It just makes no sense.
I have a problem with the Grandpre line with two individuals:
1. EDOUARD [I] de Grandpré, son of JEAN [II] Comte de Grandpré & his [second] wife Catherine de Châtillon (-before 31 Aug 1396). Comte de Grandpré.
a. Son JEAN [III] de Grandpré (-after 15 Sep 1415). Comte de Grandpré.
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#EdouardGrandpredied1396
I have seen several histories of the Battle of Agincourt which names the "comte de Grand-Pre" as one of the dead, and some name Edouard, Comte de Grandpre as that man, but FMG has him as dead before 31 Aug 1396. If this is true, then Jean should be
Nevers, frère audit duc de Bourgogne; messire Robert, comte de Marle; le comte de Vaudemont, Jean, frère au duc de Bar; le comte de Blamont ; le comte de Grand-Pré ; le comte de Roussy, le comte de Fauquembergue ; messire Louis de Bourbon, fils auDarrell
Examples:
"Edouard II, comte de Grand-Pré, de la maison de Porcien"
https://books.google.com/books?id=nqWF1DFzhdgC&pg=PA57#v=onepage&q&f=false
"S'ensuivent les noms des seigneurs et gentils hommes qui moururent à ladite bataille de la partie des François. ... Les princes : le duc Antoine de Brabant, frère au duc Jean de Bourgogne ; le duc Edouard de Bar, le duc d'Alençon, le comte de
and Vaudémont) and one viscount (Pulsaye, younger brother of the duke of Bar), which is suggestive."http://www.blamont.info/textes309.html
"The main reason the lists of French dead are incomplete is that they were simply so numerous. The final toll included three dukes (Alençon, Bar and Brabant), at least eight counts (Blamont, Fauquembergue, Grandpré, Marle, Nevers, Roucy, Vaucourt
https://erenow.net/ww/agincourt-henry-v/16.phpThe count killed at Agincourt was Jean, whose last extant document is a confirmation for Saint-Médard priory dated 15 September 1415. His only
son, Louis, lived until the 1440s and his father Edouard I was dead
before Jean's step-mother had remarried by 1396.
Peter Stewart
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On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:41:35 PM UTC-4, Peter Stewart wrote:the dead comte de Grand-Pre noted in the dead. It just makes no sense.
On 25-Apr-23 3:42 AM, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
I have a problem with the Grandpre line with two individuals:
1. EDOUARD [I] de Grandpré, son of JEAN [II] Comte de Grandpré & his [second] wife Catherine de Châtillon (-before 31 Aug 1396). Comte de Grandpré.
a. Son JEAN [III] de Grandpré (-after 15 Sep 1415). Comte de Grandpré.
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#EdouardGrandpredied1396
I have seen several histories of the Battle of Agincourt which names the "comte de Grand-Pre" as one of the dead, and some name Edouard, Comte de Grandpre as that man, but FMG has him as dead before 31 Aug 1396. If this is true, then Jean should be
Nevers, frère audit duc de Bourgogne; messire Robert, comte de Marle; le comte de Vaudemont, Jean, frère au duc de Bar; le comte de Blamont ; le comte de Grand-Pré ; le comte de Roussy, le comte de Fauquembergue ; messire Louis de Bourbon, fils auDarrell
Examples:
"Edouard II, comte de Grand-Pré, de la maison de Porcien"
https://books.google.com/books?id=nqWF1DFzhdgC&pg=PA57#v=onepage&q&f=false
"S'ensuivent les noms des seigneurs et gentils hommes qui moururent à ladite bataille de la partie des François. ... Les princes : le duc Antoine de Brabant, frère au duc Jean de Bourgogne ; le duc Edouard de Bar, le duc d'Alençon, le comte de
and Vaudémont) and one viscount (Pulsaye, younger brother of the duke of Bar), which is suggestive."http://www.blamont.info/textes309.html
"The main reason the lists of French dead are incomplete is that they were simply so numerous. The final toll included three dukes (Alençon, Bar and Brabant), at least eight counts (Blamont, Fauquembergue, Grandpré, Marle, Nevers, Roucy, Vaucourt
https://erenow.net/ww/agincourt-henry-v/16.phpThe count killed at Agincourt was Jean, whose last extant document is a confirmation for Saint-Médard priory dated 15 September 1415. His only son, Louis, lived until the 1440s and his father Edouard I was dead
before Jean's step-mother had remarried by 1396.
Peter Stewart
--See, now that makes perfect sense. Thank you!
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I think I see WHY this happened- Anselme totally ignores Jean in his work and goes right from Edouard I to Edouard II.
Darrell
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