On Mar 17, 7:35 am, Johnny Brananas <ravinmaven2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears William Molesworth's wife may have been Jane, daughter of Francis Palmes, rather than Mary. This is stated in a book on Gervase Holles, who married the lady's daughter Elizabeth Molesworth.
http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=3&id=KB48AAAAIAAJ&dq=grimsby+%22...FWIW, Clay's edition of Dugdale's 1664-5 visitations of Yorkshire has
a pedigree of the particular Palmes family of which Sir Francis of
Ashwell, Rutland, was a member. Among the children of Sir Francis
listed there (not necessarily complete) is a daughter Mary (with no
spouse listed), but no Jane. Not very helpful, but the other sources
cited in this thread suggest that perhaps the visitation (or Clay's
editing of it) missed or confused at least one daughter and overlooked
the spouses of the daughters.
On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 at 9:31:52 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:35 am, Johnny Brananas <ravinmaven2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears William Molesworth's wife may have been Jane, daughter of Francis Palmes, rather than Mary. This is stated in a book on Gervase Holles, who married the lady's daughter Elizabeth Molesworth.
Here's the answer.http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=3&id=KB48AAAAIAAJ&dq=grimsby+%22...FWIW, Clay's edition of Dugdale's 1664-5 visitations of Yorkshire has
a pedigree of the particular Palmes family of which Sir Francis of Ashwell, Rutland, was a member. Among the children of Sir Francis
listed there (not necessarily complete) is a daughter Mary (with no
spouse listed), but no Jane. Not very helpful, but the other sources
cited in this thread suggest that perhaps the visitation (or Clay's editing of it) missed or confused at least one daughter and overlooked
the spouses of the daughters.
"William Moulsworth & Jane Palmes" were married 18 December 1613
at Pilton, Rutland:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-97C7
William was bapt. at Fotheringhay, Northamptonshire, 25 Jan. 1588/9,
son of Anthony Molesworth (image available on Ancestry.com).
No wills have been found for Anthony or his son, in the local court in Northamptonshire, or the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
Leslie
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:57:23 PM UTC-8, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 at 9:31:52 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:35 am, Johnny Brananas <ravinmaven2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears William Molesworth's wife may have been Jane, daughter of Francis Palmes, rather than Mary. This is stated in a book on Gervase Holles, who married the lady's daughter Elizabeth Molesworth.
Here's the answer.http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=3&id=KB48AAAAIAAJ&dq=grimsby+%22...FWIW, Clay's edition of Dugdale's 1664-5 visitations of Yorkshire has
a pedigree of the particular Palmes family of which Sir Francis of Ashwell, Rutland, was a member. Among the children of Sir Francis
listed there (not necessarily complete) is a daughter Mary (with no spouse listed), but no Jane. Not very helpful, but the other sources cited in this thread suggest that perhaps the visitation (or Clay's editing of it) missed or confused at least one daughter and overlooked the spouses of the daughters.
"William Moulsworth & Jane Palmes" were married 18 December 1613
at Pilton, Rutland:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-97C7
William was bapt. at Fotheringhay, Northamptonshire, 25 Jan. 1588/9,
son of Anthony Molesworth (image available on Ancestry.com).
No wills have been found for Anthony or his son, in the local court in Northamptonshire, or the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
LeslieBesides being ancestral to Diana Spencer and actress Olivia de Havilland, this Molesworth family is also ancestral to actress Judi Dench, as follows:
Judi Dench is a descendant of this Edward and Leticia: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00762033&tree=LEO
They are the same as this couple: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00134868&tree=LEO
The Bolton family pedigree is in column 2 here: https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera01byuburk/page/156/mode/2up?view=theater
Edward and Leticia are also mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Molesworth,_1st_Viscount_Molesworth
Leslie
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 4:09:56 PM UTC-6, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:57:23 PM UTC-8, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 at 9:31:52 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:35 am, Johnny Brananas <ravinmaven2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears William Molesworth's wife may have been Jane, daughter of Francis Palmes, rather than Mary. This is stated in a book on Gervase
Holles, who married the lady's daughter Elizabeth Molesworth.
Here's the answer.http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=3&id=KB48AAAAIAAJ&dq=grimsby+%22...FWIW, Clay's edition of Dugdale's 1664-5 visitations of Yorkshire has a pedigree of the particular Palmes family of which Sir Francis of Ashwell, Rutland, was a member. Among the children of Sir Francis listed there (not necessarily complete) is a daughter Mary (with no spouse listed), but no Jane. Not very helpful, but the other sources cited in this thread suggest that perhaps the visitation (or Clay's editing of it) missed or confused at least one daughter and overlooked the spouses of the daughters.
"William Moulsworth & Jane Palmes" were married 18 December 1613
at Pilton, Rutland: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-97C7
William was bapt. at Fotheringhay, Northamptonshire, 25 Jan. 1588/9,
son of Anthony Molesworth (image available on Ancestry.com).
No wills have been found for Anthony or his son, in the local court in Northamptonshire, or the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
LeslieBesides being ancestral to Diana Spencer and actress Olivia de Havilland, this Molesworth family is also ancestral to actress Judi Dench, as follows:
Judi Dench is a descendant of this Edward and Leticia: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00762033&tree=LEO
They are the same as this couple: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00134868&tree=LEO
The Bolton family pedigree is in column 2 here: https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera01byuburk/page/156/mode/2up?view=theater
Edward and Leticia are also mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Molesworth,_1st_Viscount_Molesworth
LeslieMary Palmes, sister of Jane, was married to James Clarke on
20 June 1614, at Ashwell, Rutland (her surname is incorrectly
transcribed as Palmer): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-9JCD
Leslie
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:27:50 AM UTC-5, Leslie Mahler wrote:although I'm not sure if that descent includes the Palmeses.
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 4:09:56 PM UTC-6, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:57:23 PM UTC-8, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 at 9:31:52 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:35 am, Johnny Brananas <ravinmaven2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears William Molesworth's wife may have been Jane, daughter of
Francis Palmes, rather than Mary. This is stated in a book on Gervase
Holles, who married the lady's daughter Elizabeth Molesworth.
Here's the answer.http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=3&id=KB48AAAAIAAJ&dq=grimsby+%22...FWIW, Clay's edition of Dugdale's 1664-5 visitations of Yorkshire has
a pedigree of the particular Palmes family of which Sir Francis of Ashwell, Rutland, was a member. Among the children of Sir Francis listed there (not necessarily complete) is a daughter Mary (with no spouse listed), but no Jane. Not very helpful, but the other sources cited in this thread suggest that perhaps the visitation (or Clay's editing of it) missed or confused at least one daughter and overlooked
the spouses of the daughters.
"William Moulsworth & Jane Palmes" were married 18 December 1613
at Pilton, Rutland: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-97C7
William was bapt. at Fotheringhay, Northamptonshire, 25 Jan. 1588/9, son of Anthony Molesworth (image available on Ancestry.com).
No wills have been found for Anthony or his son, in the local court in Northamptonshire, or the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
LeslieBesides being ancestral to Diana Spencer and actress Olivia de Havilland,
this Molesworth family is also ancestral to actress Judi Dench, as follows:
Judi Dench is a descendant of this Edward and Leticia: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00762033&tree=LEO
They are the same as this couple: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00134868&tree=LEO
The Bolton family pedigree is in column 2 here: https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera01byuburk/page/156/mode/2up?view=theater
Edward and Leticia are also mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Molesworth,_1st_Viscount_Molesworth
LeslieMary Palmes, sister of Jane, was married to James Clarke on
20 June 1614, at Ashwell, Rutland (her surname is incorrectly
transcribed as Palmer): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-9JCD
LeslieGood find. This was speculated about in our Charles Chambers article in TAG, 2011 or 2012. I think the Clarke-Palmes marriage is shown in the 1634 Worcester Visitation. Another Molesworth descendant is the new Duchess of Edinburgh, nee Sopie Rhys-Jones,
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 10:35:29 AM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:Jones, although I'm not sure if that descent includes the Palmeses.
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:27:50 AM UTC-5, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 4:09:56 PM UTC-6, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:57:23 PM UTC-8, Leslie Mahler wrote:
On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 at 9:31:52 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:35 am, Johnny Brananas <ravinmaven2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears William Molesworth's wife may have been Jane, daughter of
Francis Palmes, rather than Mary. This is stated in a book on Gervase
Holles, who married the lady's daughter Elizabeth Molesworth.
Here's the answer.http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=3&id=KB48AAAAIAAJ&dq=grimsby+%22...FWIW, Clay's edition of Dugdale's 1664-5 visitations of Yorkshire has
a pedigree of the particular Palmes family of which Sir Francis of Ashwell, Rutland, was a member. Among the children of Sir Francis listed there (not necessarily complete) is a daughter Mary (with no
spouse listed), but no Jane. Not very helpful, but the other sources
cited in this thread suggest that perhaps the visitation (or Clay's
editing of it) missed or confused at least one daughter and overlooked
the spouses of the daughters.
"William Moulsworth & Jane Palmes" were married 18 December 1613
at Pilton, Rutland: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-97C7
William was bapt. at Fotheringhay, Northamptonshire, 25 Jan. 1588/9, son of Anthony Molesworth (image available on Ancestry.com).
No wills have been found for Anthony or his son, in the local court in
Northamptonshire, or the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
LeslieBesides being ancestral to Diana Spencer and actress Olivia de Havilland,
this Molesworth family is also ancestral to actress Judi Dench, as follows:
Judi Dench is a descendant of this Edward and Leticia: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00762033&tree=LEO
They are the same as this couple: https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00134868&tree=LEO
The Bolton family pedigree is in column 2 here: https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera01byuburk/page/156/mode/2up?view=theater
Edward and Leticia are also mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Molesworth,_1st_Viscount_Molesworth
LeslieMary Palmes, sister of Jane, was married to James Clarke on
20 June 1614, at Ashwell, Rutland (her surname is incorrectly transcribed as Palmer): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGLC-9JCD
LeslieGood find. This was speculated about in our Charles Chambers article in TAG, 2011 or 2012. I think the Clarke-Palmes marriage is shown in the 1634 Worcester Visitation. Another Molesworth descendant is the new Duchess of Edinburgh, nee Sopie Rhys-
The Clarke-Palmes connection is in the Hereford, not Worcs., Visitation. They lived in Hereford after their marriage.
The Duchess of Edinburgh's line of descent from Molesworth (see _RD900_, 2nd ed., 2:462, 1067-68).of William Molesworth of Fotheringhay, by "Mary" Palmes (... who we now know to be actually "Jane" Palmes).
Robert Molesworth, 1st Viscount Molesworth = Letitia Coote
Hon. Edward Molesworth = Mary Renouard
John Molesworth = Frances Hill
John Edward Nassau Molesworth = Harriet Mackinnon
Lawrence Teesdale Molesworth, of Texas for the 1900 census; returned to England = Anne Maria Caroline Wallace Bournes
Margaret Patricia Newall Molesworth = Theophilus Rhys Jones
Christopher Bournes Rhys Jones = Mary O'Sullivan
Sophie Helen Rhys Jones = Prince Eddie
Richard Evans' book on the ancestry of Diana shows Robert, 1st Viscount Molesworth, as a posthumous son of Robert Molesworth (d. 1656), merchant of Dublin, by Judith Bysse, who later remarried Sir William Tichbourne. Robert, d. 1656, is shown as a son
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